Even if one chooses to discount his fielding skills, captaincy skills and the fact that he has won two world cups for his country, Ponting would be in the playing 11 of any team in the world for his batting skills alone.
He is a match-saver, a match-winner, he HIMSELF has rarely been involved with spats and dirty sledging (a little heat is always welcome).
Just cuz the Australians are generally regarded as dirty players, sledgers and whatnot, people are accusing Ponting of things he doesn't deserve.
A little respect, folks. Ponting is an asset to Australia. So much so, the moment India gets Ponting, aussies are on the backfoot instantaneously.
He is their dravid, mr. consistent, their sachin, the record breaker, their ganguly, captain material, their laxman, the stylist.
Re: .
by kotanaga bhanukiran on Oct 24, 2008 01:28 AM
Well what you are asking us to do is dont call a thief a theif. Ok fine we take you advice and will not call pointed a sledger a gampler and the worst Cricketer existing in this cricketing world.
Happy. Now stop posting this stupid post over and over again.
Sachin is not scoring centuries, Ponting is just three centuries away and it is possible that Ponting will take over Sachin, even while Sachin is playing.
I see many people on this forum cribing even after India s great victory - the statements they are making
1/ India did not play fairly - Sehwag was out and he didnt walk initially 2. Indians are racist and Zaheers ban is certified 3. When I wrote somewhere that sledging is giving back to the Aussies what they have been doing to others, someone abused my family 4. People are trying to downgrade Sachins achievements by calling Ponting an honest player (joke of the millinnieum), how he will overtake Sachin, how he is selfless etc etc 5. Some are digging up the caste system, and religion etc etc
I ask these people - are you true Indian cricket fans? or just doingtimepass on rediff? have u seen any australian forum when any visiting team plays? they are all UNITED and abuse the visiting team
Re: India s win
by SriKrishna kalkura on Oct 23, 2008 12:59 PM
Hey don't worry buddy i am with you.What you have written is 100% correct.After 12000 runs 39 centuries,50 fifties and 16300 odd runs,42 centuries.89 fifties if someone doubts his caliber or something they should only be fool or are they expecting even more since he has set himself such standards.All one is forgetting is he too is a human.
"People throw stones at you and you convert them to milestones." Well I think throughout his 19 years of career his preference has always been milestones over victory.
Re: Re: Sachin says
by crater Picka on Oct 23, 2008 07:22 PM
I totally agree with you Pritesh When Tendulkar does well the result is likely a draw. But when Ponting does the same a victory is almost a surety
Re: Sachin says
by Chandra Sekar on Oct 24, 2008 01:08 PM
Now! that is some joke. Take the recent two tests itself. Ponting hit a century in the first test but the result was a draw and Sachin hit a fine half century and India won. Of course, if you think anything less than a century is not good enough then you can talk whatever you want.
Re: Sachin says
by crater Picka on Oct 23, 2008 07:22 PM
I totally agree with you Pritesh When Tendulkar does well the result is likely a draw. But when Ponting does the same a victory is almost a surety
Re: Sachin says
by Effortless on Oct 23, 2008 05:02 AM
It is better than what you are doing which is just throwing stones rather than doing anything constructive. If you cant recognize heroes, at least keep your mouth shut rather than make a fool of yourself.
Sachin started playing test cricket at 16..While both Lara and ponting were already matured players when they entered test arena.Sachin does not have very good average in his initial career period.Bu even then he has scored more hundreds and runs..hats off to him..ponting and Lara never had to meet the expectaton like Sachin had to do all the time..Ponting always had support from best bowlers and good batsman around him..
Re: Sachin :Better Than Lara and Ponting
by crater Picka on Oct 23, 2008 07:19 PM
dude.... never mind that but see the broader picture age 16 he had more time to score those runs. Duhhhh
Re: Sachin :Better Than Lara and Ponting
by chandra sekar on Oct 24, 2008 01:11 PM
If he played at 16 that shows the ability of this man and the confidence others had in him to pick for a international game. That just shows both Lara and Ponting were not believed to be good by their own selectors. You can talk all things man, but you got to perform in the field.
Re: RICKY PONTING IS BETTER THATN SACHIN!
by varun on Oct 23, 2008 12:18 AM
I guess the real test for ricky ponting as a batsmen and a match winner lies ahead of him. All the runs he scored previously counted as match-winning efforts because he had a great bowling line-up. He will now face the same situation that sachin has been facing for years, i.e playing in a side that has a weak bowling attack. In that way sachin and lara are far superior to ricky becoz they played in weaker teams. And there is still a question mark over ponting's ability to dominate in indian conditions, just 1 100 & 1 50 in 10 tests is not good enough to establish yourself as the best batsmen in the world. Look at sachin and lara's record in australia. They both have dominated australia in australia. Also just for the facts sachin's strike rate in tests and odi's are better than ponting. Get your facts right before criticizing such a gr8 player.
Re: Re: RICKY PONTING IS BETTER THATN SACHIN!
by Kabeer on Oct 23, 2008 12:21 AM
Dear Varun,
One drawback for any batsman in playing in a team that has great bowling strength is, the lesser chances of scoring runs in second innings particularly if you are a middle order batsman.
Most of the time Australia would not have needed to score more than 200 runs in the second innings! That greatly diminishes Rickys chances!
Re: RICKY PONTING IS BETTER THATN SACHIN!
by YoBro on Oct 23, 2008 12:51 AM
moreover, since he comes in when the game is "almost won" - it boosts his average greatly, since he remains not out scoring minimal runs.
Re: Re: Re: RICKY PONTING IS BETTER THATN SACHIN!
by YoBro on Oct 23, 2008 12:22 AM
not when he's coming in at number 3. Are you out of your mind? Don't show ur ignorance here.
Re: RICKY PONTING IS BETTER THATN SACHIN!
by YoBro on Oct 23, 2008 12:22 AM
very good, pt. Enjoying the luxury of a stellar bowling roster certainly makes batting a piece of cake. And more than 3 quarters of his career, Ponting had this. SRT on the other hand found himself always in a situation where he was batting to save the game or in foregone losing cause. Chennai '99 comes to mind and get this - 9 of his 39 hundreds have come in team totals of 250 or less (where he did the bulk of the scoring). Ponting could never say this about himself - he also enjoys the luxury of great opening partnerships setting him up for a big one.
Re: RICKY PONTING IS BETTER THATN SACHIN!
by YoBro on Oct 23, 2008 12:11 AM
and if that's not enough just look at the way Ponting's struggling against our slow bowlers and fast bowlers on dull Indian wickets!! Don't go by averages.
Re: RICKY PONTING IS BETTER THATN SACHIN!
by vivek jain on Oct 23, 2008 12:22 AM
Here is your reply..Sachin played his best cricket in 1990's when we have outstanding set of fast & spin bowlers bowling at their prime like wasim, waquar,ambrose,walsh,donald,pollock,mcgrath,mcdermott,morisson,warne,murlidharan,mustaq etc. whereas Ponting is dominating in 2000's when there's very few quality fast bowlers in the world & his failure against harbhajan is well known, now even he's became a bunny of ishant who has played few matches. I think ou've got the answer now who's the best?
Re: RICKY PONTING IS BETTER THATN SACHIN!
by YoBro on Oct 23, 2008 12:17 AM
finally - key point: SRT plays with a monkey on his shoulder - the expectation of a billion people. Aussies could care less if Ponting scored or not. They just come there, drink their beer, enjoy the game and go - there's a cultural factor there too. So keeping all those factors in consideration - SRT is miles ahead of Ponting or anyother player you may name.
Re: RICKY PONTING IS BETTER THATN SACHIN!
by YoBro on Oct 23, 2008 12:10 AM
man, u r bitter! SRT is technically sounder than Ponting. He plays spin and pace way way better than Ponting. Look at the stats - Ponting's got all his runs from 5-Test ashes series playing sub-standard English-type bowling on all too familiar English,SA and Aus pitches. You can't say the same about SRT. The last time he played a 5-Test series was back in 1992!!
Re: Re: RICKY PONTING IS BETTER THATN SACHIN!
by Kabeer on Oct 23, 2008 12:18 AM
Dear YoBro,
English conditions are totally different from Australian! And playing England in England, how much a third rate team (if I go by even according to your judgment of the English teams) is not easier!
Ricky is having the additional responsibility as a Captain; and Cricket captaincy in Australia is as much a crown of thorns as much as it is in India.
Just calculate how many runs Sachin scored against the teams like ZImbabwe and Bangladesh.
Re: Re: Re: RICKY PONTING IS BETTER THATN SACHIN!
by YoBro on Oct 23, 2008 12:35 AM
and you've conveniently ignored to answer - what do u say about the fact that India hasn't played a 5-Test series in 16 years!! Aussies play a 5-Test series almost every other year. BCCI just doesn't have its priorities right. Last time SRT played a 5-Test series was when he was a teenager, 1992! He notched up 3 hundreds and quite a few 50's in that tour of Aus. If that trend continued - his avg would be in 70s.
Re: RICKY PONTING IS BETTER THATN SACHIN!
by Effortless on Oct 23, 2008 02:34 AM
you are contradicting yourself. On one hand you say that Ponting plays well despite the captaincy and on the other hand you say that he is unable to play well in England because of that. Ask Ponting if he could have faced Warne at his best. He cant play on spin friendly wickets, so how can you rate him higher than SRT. Ponting is great in his own right and perhaps will become highest run getter and also century maker but that does not make him greater than SRT. If that were the case Sobers would not be rated as the greatest cricketer ever to have played the game, despite not holding any records anymore.
Re: Re: Re: RICKY PONTING IS BETTER THATN SACHIN!
by YoBro on Oct 23, 2008 12:24 AM
Oh yea? One Test again Bang doesn't count. His highest avg is against Aus. He also has a higher overseas avg than home avg. What say you?
Re: RICKY PONTING IS BETTER THATN SACHIN!
by shaji chamy on Oct 23, 2008 12:49 AM
above all he is down to earth. That is one thing which makes people to carry him in there hearts. Please dont compare Ricky with sachin. All the cricketers like him.He is a legend... and he is the best
Re: RICKY PONTING IS BETTER THATN SACHIN!
by gowtham v on Oct 23, 2008 12:33 AM
anyway once again we are quarelling like brothers apart from greating the talents. Actually comparison does exist between any personalities whether a normal man or a great personalities. In the world every body has this weakness. Dont compare gr8 personalities bcoz they are gr8 by their performances, in some places ricky is good and in some places scahin is the best i.e. in a player's career after 19 years of play still you are able to compare that person with anothers means he has something in him.........right, otherwise, you dont...!
Re: RICKY PONTING IS BETTER THATN SACHIN!
by Pritesh Mistry on Oct 23, 2008 01:22 AM
Ricky better than Sachin. Ricky has given 2 world cups to his country as a captain and have also contributed well in the 1999 world cup which was won under Steve Waugh's captaincy. Ricky has got milestones and great leadership quality. Sachin has never been a good leader. He broke the record of lara by playing 21 more test matches than lara. So whats the fun? It is obvious that if you play more you score more. Physically Lara is still more fit than Sachin. Sachin has played 92,96,99,03,07 world cups and have never brought any to India. Still some die hard fans wants him to play 2011 world cup. It is really painful to know that these die hard fans of Sachin cherish more on his milestones than on India's victory.
Re: Re: RICKY PONTING IS BETTER THATN SACHIN!
by Effortless on Oct 23, 2008 02:39 AM
Ricky gave 2 WCs. Imagine if the Aus team had been as weak as India then, would Ponting's Aus had won the WC. By your weird logic, Lara is not great either as he did not win a WC for WI in his 17 years as player. Same is the case with Ian/Greg Chappel-they did not win WC for Aus, so they are not great. This shows your lack of cricketing knowledge that you measure someone great by an event that occurs once in 4 years than measuring his performance over the long period of time. Moreover cricket is not gilli danda that an individual can win, it needs 3-4 players to play really well to win a game, the fact you will never understand. Suggest you start following gilli danda or kabaddi instead of cricket.
Re: RICKY PONTING IS BETTER THATN SACHIN!
by mahim on Oct 23, 2008 11:53 AM
tendulkar is fantastic but ponting is better, ponting has three assets, his captaincy, his batting and his fielding and already ponting has a better batting record than sachin most importantly, ponting always plays for the team unlike sachin
Re: Re: Re: RICKY PONTING IS BETTER THATN SACHIN!
by Pritesh on Oct 26, 2008 12:15 PM
When was Indian team weak ??? We have batsman like Laxman,Dravid, Ganguly, Sachin,Dhoni, Sehwag, Gambhir,Yuvraj. These batsman are not lesser than any other in the world. You cannot take away credit from Ponting for winning two world cups even when his team is considered powerful. Imagine if Ponting would have started his career at the age of 16 rather than 20 !!! Sachin would have been over shadowed. For your comment where cricket cannot be won by individual - Cricket is the game where individual can influence the result of the game more than any other game. There are two communities of fools in this world. One community of fools asks limitless questions and other community of fools gives limitless unasked free advices. You fall in second category.
