Why some people are so much against Ganguly? There is no reason. They are not against Dravid or Sachin. This speaks of bias. May be Ganguly's personality is so overpowering that these guys are clueless. They repeat the same old statistics and faulty logic and Saurav stays plays and comes back. This is like a communal bias. One finds fault with the other however good he may be only because he does not belong to his religion. So is with Ganguly. It is bad that he hails from Bengal. No Bengal has ever played such a long stint. At the back of their mind these idiots try to block the entry of talent to keep their clan only playing the game or doing whatever good things. Idiots come back to your senses. Salute the guy for the goods he has done for Indian cricket. Dont cry like parrots of your fathers More and Chappel. They go but Ganguly stays.
As usual, Ganguly has become the subject of debate by lakhs of cricket-lover! He always comes in front when everybody tried to write him off! This is his fantastic and powerful characteristics that he returns despite all odds, criticism against him! You may not like or, love him! But please, for heaven's sake, dont abuse him! Please remember he was once the Captain of the national team and his record as Captain is so far the best.
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by sanjay on Oct 03, 2008 11:00 AM
Test record of ind 2 capyains. Ganguly Matches 49 Won 21 win raito 1.62 Dravid Matches 25 Won 8 win raito 1.33 Ganguly 9 out of 21 against minnows Dravid 1 out of 8 against minnows
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by renganathan m on Oct 03, 2008 11:36 AM
Have u taken into consideration the quality of team that both of them got. Do you somehow remember the quality of Indian team in late 90's and early 2000. And the can you please post these statistics. Also do you remember in 90s the way we fly overseas and get beaten by anybody and did not win a single match in many series and it all changed with Ganguly. Or do you remember all these statewise politics in 90s.Statistics are just numbers. If Statistics is the way to go, then you might not have Kapil Dev anywhere near most of the captains but you should know he ie better than many others.
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by sanjay on Oct 03, 2008 12:38 PM
SAchin Dravid Sehwag Laxman at peak of their form... Was it not advantage to Ganguly still resulys the same. Even if you take Azar record win percentage is similar.
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by sanjay on Oct 03, 2008 10:58 AM
Test record of Indias two captains. Ganguly Matches 49 Won 21 win raito 1.62 Dravid Matches 25 Won 8 win raito 1.33 Ganguly 9 out of 21 against minnows Dravid 1 out of 8 against minnows Because of Dalmiya lot of matches were organised against minnows to boost records so Revised records against quality opposition Ganguly Matches38 Won 12 win raito 0.31 Dravid Matches 23 Won 7 win raito 0.30
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by sanjay on Oct 03, 2008 10:57 AM
Captaincy records hyped vs real
Saurav Ganguly ODI matches captained 147 Matches won 76 Win percentage 51 % Wins against quality oppositions 46 Win percentage quality oppositions drops to 31 % Rahul Dravid ODI matches captained 75 Matches won 41 Win percentage 54 % Wins against quality oppositions Total 34 Win percentage quality oppositions drops to 45 % Difference in wins against quality opposition is whopping 14 percentage
India lost 78 tests since 1996 Sachin 9 tons solo fights for team Aus 4 SA 2 Eng Pak NZ one each Dravid 1 tons solo fights against Zim one Laxman 2 tons solo fights against Aus two Sehwag 3 tons solo fights against Aus Pak SA one each and the last Saurav Big Zero tons contributed no solo fight.
Re: India's sizable fighters for team scoring tons while loosing in Test cricket
by sanjay on Oct 03, 2008 09:52 AM
These are either solo or sizable resistances while loosing others have not contrubeted enough so we lost. See Mediocre Ganguly there not there at all.
He scores when others soften balling by their pounding. Then the vulture comes to grab the kill
India won 38 tests since 1996 Dravid 19 Fifties contributed to win Four Zim quality opposition 15 Laxman 15 Fifties contributed to win quality opposition 15 Sachin 15 Fifties contributed to win Two Zim quality opposition 13 Sehwag 6. Fifties contributed to win one Zim quality opposition 5 Mediocre Saurav 13 Fifties contributed to win three BD one Zim quality opposition 9
Re: Re: India%u2019s fifties for winning causes in Test cricket
by sanjay on Oct 03, 2008 09:48 AM
Then why Saurav at bottom ? Sehwag matches played 60 still going strong Saurav matches played 109
Lone fifties seldom win matches as it need strong support from others batsman and bowlers. That is why I gave tons hundreds records to rate these batsman. But some skeptics said this player won match by his fifty
India won 38 tests since 1996 Sachin 13 tons contributed to win. Dravid 9 tons contributed to win Laxman 4 tons contributed to win Sehwag 3 tons contributed to win Saurav 3 tons contributed to win. Mediocre Saurav the bottom most 2 Zim and one Eng.
Re: India%u2019s top tons for winning causes in Test cricket
by sanjay on Oct 03, 2008 10:03 AM
This is what happens when mediocre quota player is sekected. This midget can not be compared with Sachin Dravid Sehwag. Many youngsters suffer because he blocks place from mediocre quota.
Re: India%u2019s top tons for winning causes in Test cricket
by Sriram Govindarajan on Oct 03, 2008 04:54 PM
I have never seen anyone other than this bugger who replies to his own messages...hahahahaa
Re: India%u2019s top tons for winning causes in Test cricket
by Anirudh on Oct 03, 2008 11:20 AM
Also look at the 50's that helped India win/draw a test match. You can find so many then. Coming at no 5 or 6 and playing with tail enders there is hardly any chance to score hundreds. Don't put biased pictures. Put the complete one. Also remember that only recently we have got a good wicketkeeper batsman in Dhoni. Earlier Ganguly and Laxman had to play with people who could hardly give them support.
Re: India%u2019s top tons for winning causes in Test cricket
by sanjay on Oct 03, 2008 12:36 PM
Support? How many times he finished not out with whosoever was the partner?
================== Picture this. The previous selection panel decides to break with the past and look to the future. With that and the middle-order meltdown against Sri Lanka in mind, they don't consider Sourav Ganguly for the Irani Trophy, the opening match of India's domestic season. When he's subsequently ignored for the Board President's XI, Australia's final tune-up before the first Test, the writing on the wall appears indelible. Surely no one in their right mind would select someone who hasn't struck a ball in anger since ending the Sri Lanka tour with 96 runs in three Tests?
This isn't about whether Ganguly deserves to be picked ahead of the many young bucks that have flattered to deceive; it's about the sheer idiocy of gambling on someone with no match practice. The opposition isn't Zimbabwe or Bangladesh. For all the chinks in the current Australian armour – the lack of a quality spinner being as prominent as Frank Bruno's glass chin – they are by some distance the most accomplished cricket side in the world. Ganguly's record against them has never been better than mediocre, and by denying him valuable match practice in the build-up to the Test, the powers that be have regressed to mystical-India methods, where the power of prayer and hope take precedence over rational thought and logic. =====================================
Well its not just Australia that Ganguly's performance has been ordinary, against SA, WI, Pak, in NZ an
Re: Everyone knows Ganguly's mediocre performance
by Abhi s on Oct 03, 2008 09:32 AM
i must say sameer that u r a boot- licker of english people then its obvious that they dont like dada coz his AVG in ENG is over 65 in tests also he scrwed ENG AND FLINTOFF many times as a batsman and a captain
respect ur own team player man dont boot-lick angrez gangu's avg vs pak is 47 vs SA is 35 vs WI in WI is 42
Re: Re: Everyone knows Ganguly's mediocre performance
by Sameer K on Oct 03, 2008 12:06 PM
India lost 78 tests since 1996 Sachin 9 tons solo fights for team Aus 4 SA 2 Eng Pak NZ one each Dravid 1 tons solo fights against Zim one Laxman 2 tons solo fights against Aus two Sehwag 3 tons solo fights against Aus Pak SA one each and the last Saurav Big Zero tons contributed no solo fight.
These are either solo or sizable resistances while loosing others have not contrubeted enough so we lost. space constraint restricts not taking fifties into account.
India's top tons for winning causes in Test cricket India won 38 tests since 1996 Sachin 13 tons contributed to win. Dravid 9 tons contributed to win Laxman 4 tons contributed to win Sehwag 3 tons contributed to win and the last Saurav 3 tons contributed to win 2 Zim and one Eng.
Even in those 3 victories, Sachin, Dravid, Laxman scored more than Ganguly. Ganguly came into bat when India were already in commanding position, he is a batsmen who makes hay while the sun shines, but only against weak teams or depleted bowling attacks.
Re: Everyone knows Ganguly's mediocre performance
by Sameer K on Oct 03, 2008 11:58 AM
Never seen a bigger fool than u Abhi S.
I never wrote West Inddies in West Indies, i wrote against WI gangubai averages 32, LOL.
Ha ha ha, very smartly u hv not written Australia, South Africa, West Indies.
You hv not mentioned that Ganguly's average in Zimbabwe is 32, u hv not mentioned Gangulys average in NZ in 27.
Further u dont know that Ganguly's avg of 47 against Pakistan is due to his 2 hundreds against Pakistan against the most depleted attack and most flat pitches of Kolkata and Bangalore even great Wasim Jaffer scored double hundred against that attack and Irfan Pathan Scored 148.
Ganguly is the only great batsmen who has never scored a 100 against the greatest bowlers of his time, McGrath, Warne, Ambrose, Walsh, Donald, Pollock, Akram and Waqar. If you count the number of test he played against the above mentioned bowlers, his average will be pathetic 25 something to be called gr8 batsmen.
His only 100 against Australia was when Australia were without the services of McGrath, Warne, Lee missing the first test, the bowlers were Bracken, Andy Bichel, injured Gillespie who wasnt supposed to play.
Gr8 batsmen of flat indian pitches against Zinbabwe, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and England, England the side which was the worst along with Zimbabwe in the 1990s, Australia use to thrash them, WI did same, and they couldnt even win against Pakistan.
Re: Everyone knows Ganguly's mediocre performance
by indiafriend on Oct 03, 2008 01:41 AM
and written by Dileep premachandraan! and btw...the article talks about his match practice not bout the justification of his selection. GO READ IT PROPERLY!
one more talented player seems to be sidelined coz of politics.
its cheteshwar pujara, the man of the series of the junior world cup for highest run-getter. n scoring consistently for the a-tours n in domestic season thereafter. reason - another player may b jaydev shah, son of niranjan shah (not to take credit away but) is being promoted in his place. jaydev also looks good.
but cheteshwar pujara appears to be in the league of youngsters like rohit, raina, manoj tiwari, n looks ind probable at intnl level. his single handed match saving inning on the last day for his team is a true show of his talent. but cheteshwar is not even selected for the a-team xi now although he is in the team of 15. how can he show his talent then.
