the series will be over, and the aussie team will be the real loser. if oush comes to shove, indian board should spin off an alternate body, and create a cricket field much like the NBA. we dont need no stinking aussie players.
It is clear now that India are the real winners of this test series. Australian players know very well they cannot win without cheating,sledging and umpires like Bucknor etc etc., Scoring 500 plus in Australia is great. Great team India . keep it up. Last year steve waugh's farewell test ended in draw and indians spoiled their party. This Gilly's farewell test party.
If we assume that something very wrong happened in Sydney against us. The anger was right to some extent. But gavaskar & Akram & Indian media continuously ignore plenty of decisions which went in favour of India & they just repeatedly critisising decisions went in favour of australia. When WI play Aus. They blame umpires When Lanka paly they do same, India Pakistan - all do same. But from where these umpires come Buckner, Rauf & Venkat they are not australian they are not white either.they belong to these other countries. So It look l;ike soar grapes to others. Now funny gavaskar has started critisising Hawk eye. Because he has nothing to say @ umpires. It is disgusting. & Why no one talked about decisions in perth & adelade which went in favour of dravid laxman & tendulkar? & decisions went against Symonds & Hussey. Reasons - I think There is no future & activities for akram in unstable Pakistan. Indian Media is happy to collect more & more vwiers by posting such flashy news, same @ gavaskar. I am not concerned with Pak & Akram. But people in india should not waste time & peace of mind following media & gavaskar. We are a far grater & prosperous & upcomming country with a lot more stronger mission & things to achieve. We are better without this madness for cricket.
RE:Gavaskars & Akrams Comments & Indian Media.
by mohan santhanam on Jan 27, 2008 09:24 PM
What about Ian Chappell,steve Bucknor etc etc. When Ian chappell does commentary he talks about great abour aussies and ill about others. When India was down by 4 wickets, ganguly walked to bat , non striker sachin discussed or informed with ganguly. But Ian chappell commented " what this short right hander talks to tall left hander , he will get pressure etc etc. But he kept quiet when australian players discuss in the middle. Gavaskar may talk supportively to India but he will analyse everything. His commentary mostly cover batsman's stance,stroke etc etc. It will never go out of cricket.Only Tony greig is impartial. He enjoys every batsman's stroke and always use 'wonderful'. But steve Bucknor's decision as well as his behaviour clearly showed that he is partial(alongwith benson,oxenford and Procter). When Mike procter voultarily gave 5 match ban to Rashid Latif for wrong appeal, why he has not banned Ricky Ponting when he appealed the catch which is grounded?. If some Indian and Asian player asks the credential of Umpiring means it is not wrong.
DEAR FRIENDS,IT IS BEING A VERY FANTASTI AND INTERESTING FORM OF REDIFF.
HERE I WOULD LIKE TO BRING SOME INTERESTING POINTS TO THE BOARD FOR CRICKET LOVERS.
1).YEAR 2008 GOING TO BE THE WORST CRICKETING YEAR FOR KANGAROOS!!!!! 2).IPL GOING TO DISTROY OZ CRICKET TEAM!!! 3).CAN ACB TO KEEP THIS WINNING STREAK WITH THE HELP OF UMPS.AND MISBEHAVS.
RE:ATTENTION !!!
by jayanraj on Jan 27, 2008 05:57 PM
i agree with u, already some of aussie pillars have retired without replacements, now only shaky ponting, Bret Lee, Stupid Symonds, Aged Hayden are there, and we don't see any more positive in AUS future, so Aussie downfall has started, let us see how other teams (India, England, SA, SL) take advantage ?
RE:ATTENTION !!!
by Dharmarajan Rajan on Jan 27, 2008 06:06 PM
Many of the current pillars are joining hand with IPL,to whom OZ will be dismised from the team.
People often say we shouldn't sledge but what's wrong with giving it back if we get it?? We often hear that great Indian players like Kapil Dev, Gavaskar, Sachin, Dravid, Kumble never sledged but what of the rest? We have to remember that India has been perennial underachievers in cricket. We've never had a truly good, let alone great, team. We've had a few brilliant players like Kapil, Bedi, Sachin, Kumble, but that's it. I believe it's because we have allowed ourselves to get intimidated by other teams' sledging for far too long. It's equivalent to people with office jobs working at their desk, and someone from a competitor standing on top of your desk shouting at you while you work. At some point you're entitled to get in their face and tell them to shut the f**k up! Sachin and Dravid and Kapil might be able to perform despite this simply because of the sheer brilliance of their abilities but more regular players need to create the emotional space to allow them to perform to their best. As long as we see they're performing with bat and/or ball we shouldn't object to them sledging, if they're not performing then there's a problem...
RE:We cannot just sit back & take it
by Karunakar Patil on Jan 27, 2008 02:08 PM
GAVASKAR performed against all fast bowlers of the world better than anybody of that time without helmet or sledging. His batting enabled us put up healthy scores opposite mighty windies and our spinners could win matches
RE:We cannot just sit back & take it
by Western Securities on Jan 27, 2008 05:24 PM
See Your own life & let Cricketters do their Job. For your kind info. Gavaskar used to play with scull cap (Works like helmet). He was advised not to wear helmet which was harmful to his neck.
RE:We cannot just sit back & take it
by Nitin Tambe on Jan 27, 2008 06:58 PM
Get your facts right please. Not one aussie batsman in contemporary cricket has played without wearing a helmet from day one. Viv Richards did that all his life almost to the best of our knowledge and Gavaskar certainly did it. The skull cap came in very very late in his career.
RE:We cannot just sit back & take it
by Karunakar Patil on Jan 27, 2008 06:47 PM
Gavaskar used skull cap only at the end of his career when his reflexes were slow. Still he was the technically best batsmen when he retired on his own.
RE:We cannot just sit back & take it
by doctor on Jan 27, 2008 10:12 AM
You missed the point that Racist Match refery will ignore Aussies's sledging but if Indian players sledge they will be banned for bringing game to disrepute. Unless we have a honest ICC we can not do sledging. They are against using technology because it will deprive them of cheating under umbrella of human error
There is no point getting involved in another war of words with the Aussies. We bowled as we had to, and as the umps were not calling wides Hayden has no grounds for complaint. At the same time, it's totally unnecessary for Sehwag to accuse the Aussies of being scared of losing. It's perfectly legitimate for them to play with the initial objective of not conceding a big first innings lead. And remember there have been 2 occasions recently in Adelaide where the team batting first and scoring over 500 ended up losing the Test, so we may well be facing the same situation if we perform badly in the second innings in a pressure situation. So, let's not get ahead of ourselves and allow the Aussies to gloat. Their so-called good manners in the Perth test was an aberration, they will always be bad losers and bad winners, an arrogant bunch of players who are now going to make millions off the IPL.
RE:Let's choose our battles
by raj on Jan 27, 2008 02:39 PM
well, the arrogant bunch will be out of favour for sure. no indians will side with a team thats laden with aussies. until now they had my respect for being great crickters, despite being rough. no longer, t least i will vote with my money against the aussie team. more people will do so. and the indian teams will be vary of the aussie backlash. this will not be a temporary phenomenon for sure - the dislike will surely last for a couple of years for sure. the aussie team might not want to come to IPL in the first place - we are fine by that arrangement. we'd like to see kevin peterson, or south african or NZland team players, - there's no dearth of quality players anyways.
At close of play 3rd day only two results are possible.
ONE. A draw: Which most people sense since the wicket is dry and likely to crumble only late on 4th day.
TWO: A Ausie win: A distinct possibility. Assume that in the worst case ausie gets all out by tea on fourth day with near abouts Indian total. From there on the wicket deteriorates and Indians are quite capable of getting out in less than 6 hours for less than 200. It then is a matter of getting 200 in about 35 overs, which the ausies are quite cabable of getting given their batting strength.
Indian Win: Most unlikely. We should bowl out ausie in pre lunch session giving a hundred run lead (with this dry wkt possible?). Then we should hit 200 within 5 hours and boldly declare (do we have the courage to declare with target of 300? with 50 overs remaining in match? Not likely!). Then we should produce a magical spell again like on 4th day morning to take 10 wkts in 50 overs - not impossible if the 5th day as anticipated has a turning wkt). But this is far fetched. So at this juncture I see either and Aus win or Draw.
Now we know why Indians chose to bring verbal methods into play. They know they have been licked. When Kumble did not have the will to declare after extended pre tea session just because he wanted a century and wasted precious time - why are you cribbing if ausie just score 30 runs less than Indian 290 in day one? What was the proud indian bowlers 5 of them plus three partime bowlers doing -
RE:Attention Shewag and Co.
by raj on Jan 27, 2008 02:43 PM
the odds are stacked evenly. your scenarios are biased. it just depends on who holds the nerves. given the raw deal indians faced this tour they are equally charged up. draw is more likely result. the aussie team dint wanna lose under any circumstance, so they dint bite the wide balls, almost the same kind of deliveries being bowled at an angle by johnson to dravid. they are no angels, and im firmly with the indian team delivering the goods. we did well in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th test without our in-form bowlers munaf and zaheer. the wicket has not crumbled on day 4, only the bounce is a bit uneven. luck and umpires permitting, we might be able to set a target.
RE:Attention Shewag and Co.
by raj on Jan 27, 2008 02:45 PM
also funny to note that, you dint read the pitch well, why should kumble declare on a batting pitch which was 600 material, our main batsmen dint do well, we could have very well batted only once. you read too much against our team.
RE:RE:Aussies will maul India tommorrow
by Kerry Hadley on Jan 27, 2008 08:24 AM
wish you would learn to spell correctly, you sound like an ignorant bigot that you are.
Just becaz Australia lost one test match after 16 consecutive wins doent make them weak...i feel Sunil Gavaskar takes full liberty of being a commentator and talks about australia not being the same as before..India should not forget they are a full force with Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly and Kumble..Australia doesnt have Warne Mcgrath and Langer else it would have been 4-0 for sure...they lost the ashes in 2005 but came back hard and beat england 5-0...overconfidence kills a person...with a young team in the tri series ..india would be clobered by Sri Lanka and Australia and the selectors will learn a lesson for not picking ganguly and dravid .The lucky T20 world cup win has gone to their heads...T20 is a game of luck and anyone can win on their day unlike test or 50 over game...insteading of talking they should start working hard to win in the tri series...and also Australia being defensive is only fair because at the end of the day Australia will win the series 2-1 and thats the bottom line.
RE:overconfidence is not good
by J P on Jan 27, 2008 02:39 AM
Hahaha!! Yes as U said Karan (as said Sunny G)..without Warne, McGrath and Langer, they are certainly not as dangerous as before ....Isme India ka kaisa overconfidence???
RE:RE:overconfidence is not good
by karan malhotra on Jan 27, 2008 12:25 PM
ya buddy...when ur the best in the world and top of the chain u always have critics and people waiting for an opportunity to pounce on u and speak against u...thats what happened at perth...hard work is the key to being successful for anyone..and also india lacks consistency and dedication..they should take a leaf out of australia's book
RE:overconfidence is not good
by raj on Jan 27, 2008 02:48 PM
hard work and deication is fine. nobody denies it, also their hunger to win. the point to be noted is that they dont have the balls to take a defeat in their stride, even a team that challenges them gets them ruffled. they did that with steve wauch. you'd be glad to know that they lost twice badly when they dropped the now traditional aussie "friendly banter" during the ashes and with indians. now you know why aussie team cant behave
RE:overconfidence is not good
by Jaimin Soni on Jan 27, 2008 02:14 PM
Australia win the series.
Man of the series: Steve Bucknor (The Idiot)
But only good thing about this is that the devil is down to earth now. Remember that monster predicting 4-0 white wash? Now he bites the dust and that is the most entertaining thing of this series.
RE:overconfidence is not good
by on Jan 27, 2008 02:37 AM
hey you forgot, bradman, allan border, craig mcdermott, mark waugh and bruc reid. ur rt if all these ppl had been there, it wld have been a white wash...
RE:RE:overconfidence is not good
by karan malhotra on Jan 27, 2008 12:11 PM
read what i wrote propely...i think u didnt understand what i wrote..australia is playing for the first time without their spearheads and india still has their big 3..still u can see the result 2-1.....all teams loose once in a while....even roger federer lost for the first time in a long time in the australian open still he is the best....all great teams bounce back....
RE:RE:RE:overconfidence is not good
by raj on Jan 27, 2008 02:55 PM
of the big 3 only 2 are in form, plus we dont have 2 in-form mainstream bowlers - zaheer and munaf. ishant is a rookie who's doing good. warne and mcgrath are the only people they are missing, since they have great bench strength
RE:overconfidence is not good
by karan malhotra on Jan 27, 2008 12:05 PM
no buddy it is just a comparison of the teams since warne mcgrath and langer retired ....now when the big 3 for india retire then we can see if india can even compete against the best..
RE:overconfidence is not good
by sanjay mishra on Jan 27, 2008 02:05 AM
bhai karan what do u mean by full force.mcgrath langer & warne have retried .so australia is in full force as far as playing eleven are concerned .u cannot talk abt full forceof a team including the retired players
RE:overconfidence is not good
by thiyagu aravind on Jan 27, 2008 02:12 AM
If you keep adding retired players like this then any team would be strong...talk about current position
RE:overconfidence is not good
by swaran singh on Jan 27, 2008 02:14 AM
aussies won second match due to umpires not by their skills as such the series may be treated as drawn by cricket lovers
RE:overconfidence is not good
by sunny on Jan 27, 2008 02:35 AM
Even India is missing Sunil Gavaskar, Kapil Dev. Had they too been in the team we are a full force.
They have retired and not injured. So ur observation that Oz is not in full strength doesnt gain credibility
RE:overconfidence is not good
by Calspadeaspade on Jan 27, 2008 04:08 AM
What do you mean by full force? Is it Hayden? I guess he is the Krishna paramathma of Aussies. It was so pathetic for the side that boasts of no weekness and well balanced and not depending on one batsman like Indians do, Ponting was missing hayden at Perth and attributing the loss to his absence. That should speak volume.
RE:RE:overconfidence is not good
by karan malhotra on Jan 27, 2008 12:27 PM
a downfall of any team cannot be judged on one match as great teams bounce back...
RE:overconfidence is not good
by Vineesh Vedsen on Jan 27, 2008 04:23 AM
I think if you feel sorry for Aussies not having Langer, Warne and McGrath, they are also without Bradman, Ponsford and Victor Trumper. And so is India without Gavaskar, Vishwanath and Kapil Dev. They are all retired and we cant carry the list of retired ex-cricketers as being an excuse for a team's poor performance. Had Australia won the 20-20 would cricket be still a game of chance for you? We aqll know Australia is a good team, but we must also realise that India has been the only one to repeatedly question their superiority. And Australia have batted circumspectly today. The Australians would still win the series, but India would come with its head held high after beating them at Perth and forcing Australia to adopt sombre measures of batting against their usual 4.5 runs an over strike rate in Test cricket.
RE:RE:overconfidence is not good
by karan malhotra on Jan 27, 2008 12:18 PM
sometimes u have to play according to the situation....and even without their main players who contributed to the success of australia they are going good...and with time they will become better and better..the indian team counts how many tests they won as it is not a very big number but australia counts how many they lost and they play as if every match is a final that is the attitude our team should have...that is the difference.With regards to t 20 australia had no prior practice before the tournament still made it to the finals but india had been playing for 2 months before the tournament...that does make a difference
RE:RE:RE:overconfidence is not good
by raj on Jan 27, 2008 02:52 PM
fyi, indians were not even sure of making it past the first round. none of the players were sure of the rules, they were totally un-initiated. the aussie team had been the champs of T20 , and they were mentally prepared. you simply cannot take anything away from indians fom that victory. the aussie team was mighty pissed that they couldnt hold onto the 3 formats as the undisputed kings. good for them, i hope someone or the other spoild their dream of holding all 3 crowns at once.
RE:overconfidence is not good
by your amre on Jan 27, 2008 04:34 AM
If we had Ravi Shastri and Mohinder Amarnath along with Chetan Sharma, Aussies could have maintained their record and show that Test matches can also be played in a Day.
RE:overconfidence is not good
by jayanraj on Jan 27, 2008 06:03 PM
Yeah, but 1 thing u have to admit, Aussie downfall has started and it will be accelerated since Great Gilly has retired. Come on india cash on it. No Warne, No Mcgrath, No gilly, No langer / martin, now only Lee, Ponting, hayden and Symonds left.
