BCCI, well cricket is their business, but with lone tour match before important test series(like Aus) is simply stupid.
With sydney test there is irreparable loss of image to aussies, great country with great talent but horrible on-field behavior and funnily they cant digest sledging, but they themselves vigorous sledgers. A different ponting(bad looser) but seen in entirely different avatar.
umpires especially Steve Bucknor is both deaf and blind, god only knows why ICC is still with him. One of the worst umpiring decisions in single test match in sydney.
Indians short of experience fast bowlers, but surprisingly they did wonderful job so far.
If series continue then play with
Viru sehwag Dinesh karthik VVS Laxman Sachin Ganguly Dravid Pathan Anil Bajji(if no ban)/Pankaj RP singh Ishant Sharma
Jaffar, Dhoni and Yuvi are clueless in the series so far.
After watching the test match, someone has written some rules have to be incorporated by ICC to give the other teams a perfect clarification
(1) Ricky Ponting %u2013 (THE TRULY GENUINE CRICKETER OF THE CRICKET ERA AND WHOSE INTEGRITY SHOULD NOT BE DOUBTED) should be considered as the FOURTH UMPIRE. As per the new rules, FOURTH UMPIRE decision is final and will over ride any decisions taken by any other umpires. ON-FIELD umpires can seek the assistance of RICKY PONTING even if he is not on the field. This rule is to be made, so that every team should understand the importance of the FOURTH UMPIRE.
(2) While AUSTRALIAN TEAM is bowling, If the ball flies anywhere close to the AUSTRALIAN FIELDER(WITHIN 5 metre distance), the batsman is to be considered OUT irrelevant of whether the catch was taken cleanly or grassed. Any decision for further clarification should be seeked from the FOURTH UMPIRE. This is made to ensure that the cricket is played with SPORTIVE SPIRIT by all the teams.
(3) While BATTING, AUSTRALIAN players will wait for the ON-FIELD UMPIRE decisions only (even if the catch goes to the FIFTH SLIP as the ball might not have touched the bat). Each AUSTRALIAN batsman has to be out FOUR TIMES (minimum) before he can return to the pavilion. In case of THE CRICKETER WITH INTEGRITY, this can be higher.
(4) UMPIRES should consider a huge bonus if an AUSTRALIAN player scores a century. Any wrong decisions can be ignored as they will be paid huge bon
RE:New Rules to be kept by ICC-Good one%u200F
by Nilesh Kolhe on Jan 08, 2008 12:22 AM
Contd..
(4) UMPIRES should consider a huge bonus if an AUSTRALIAN player scores a century. Any wrong decisions can be ignored as they will be paid huge bonus and will receive the backing of the AUSTRALIAN team and board.
(5) All AUSTRALIAN players are eligible to keep commenting about all players on the field and the OPPONENT TEAM should never comment as they will be spoiling the spirit of the AUSTRALIAN team. Any comments made in any other language are to be considered as RACISM only.
(6) MATCH REFREE decisions will be taken purely on the AUSTRALIAN TEAM advice only. Player views from the other teams decisions will not be considered for hearing. MATCH REFREES are to be given huge bonus if this rule is implemented.
(7) NO VISITING TEAM should plan to win in AUSTRALIA. This is to ensure that the sportive spirit of CRICKET is maintained.
(8) THE MOST IMPORTANT RULE : If any bowler gets RICKY PONTING - "THE UNDISPUTED CRICKETER WITH INTEGTIRY IN THE GAME OF CRICKET" more than twice in a series, he will be banned for the REST OF THE SERIES. This is to ensure that the best batsman/Captain will be played to break records and create history in the game of CRICKET.
These rules will clarify better to the all the teams VISITING AUSTRALIA.
Aussies cheat India in Sydney thriller...They have won this match at the cost of darkening their face with coal tar......the reason the whole world knows,...
RE:I don't expect my posts to last long on here
by S Chandra on Jan 07, 2008 03:47 PM
I have no problem talking to u. I certainly wont report ur messages for abuse.
As long as u talk sense, and dont abuse. Im open to talking fair and logically.
The kaffer incident happened in Perth where there are a lot of South African immigrants living there (as Australia is a country with minimal corruption, unlike, say India, which is one of the reasons why people want to live there). The average Aussie didnt even know what this word meant (it is south african slang). The people that said this were South African expats, so well done there, genius.. graeme smith, a south african, is a fine one to point to other countries' "racism" And tell us how panesar and Mahmood were actually greeted in Australia, rather than what "was feared" Ranatunga didnt want Murilitharan to tour australia not because of racism (and for you to imply it was so, makes me think you are not a person of "integrity) but because of the chucking allegations, something altogether different. As for Australian cheating in the game? What actual rules did they break? None. Who was the only player banned during the game? An Indian. This "victim" mentality is rife amongst the lower economic class in Australia and it's also rife amongst 3rd world countries, such as India. Until you wake up to yourselves and realise that India, while unlucky with some decisions, isn't in the same class as Australia and once your ageing stars are gone your depth doesnt seem to be there. The question you have to ask yourself if why Australia with a pop of 20m and India with 1billion people and with all the money Indian cricket has, doesnt have the same depth as Aus. Theres the problem
RE:RE:continued
by S Chandra on Jan 07, 2008 03:37 PM
Most of the Australian media themselves admit that their cricket team has a "blue collar" mentality. That they are poor ambassadors for the game.
Look in youtube for discussions on Australian on field and off field behaviour when travelling overseas as a cricket team.
And answer the question - why would a team like South Africa complain about racism in Australia when it didnt complain about racism anywhere else ???
South Africa got beaten in India in a test series, and there have been verbal jousts on and off the field in recent India - South Africa and in Pakistan - South Africa series.
But it has never because a racist affair.
Why ? Could it be a co-incidence ?
To deny that there's racism in Australian cricket is to deny the sun coming up in the east.
And we are not talking about which is the better cricket team here. (Im repeating). Australia is the better cricket team no doubt.
Im talking about racism.
And Australia's moral right to pretend to be "hurt" by racist comments.
RE:RE:RE:continued
by on Jan 07, 2008 03:42 PM
I will repeat myself one more time...
Kaffer is South African slang. The average Aussie has no idea what this word means.
The Kaffer taunts were made in Perth, where there is a large number of South African people living there.
The Kaffer tanuts were made by expat South africans, not by Aussies. The South African team of course has to complain as it was in an Australian ground, but the people saying this were south africans...get it?
RE:continued
by S Chandra on Jan 07, 2008 04:08 PM
Fair enough, but they were still Australian citizens. The fact that they were expats is a point well taken ... but if thats not an "Australian" problem, then u r somehow saying that those people r not "Australians" But the point on this one thing is taken.
RE:continued
by on Jan 07, 2008 04:19 PM
Australia accepts a large number of people from many countries into its shores...
unavoidably, some of these people will bring the problems they had in their own country into Australia. These problems are not "australian" in the sense that these things (problems) were brought from overseas. This "Australian" problem has been dealth with and were non existant in the later tests (the perth test was the first one in the tour). Meanwhile, the monkey problem first arose in India (where Singh was also alleged to have called Symmonds a monkey) and was not dealt with by the Indian authorities in a satisfactory manner...see the difference?
RE:continued
by on Jan 07, 2008 04:36 PM
While the media didnt cover it up, the BCCI tried to. You have one rotten organisation there.
Singh is said to have abused Symmonds in India, and once again, the BCCI didnt address this problem with Singh, obviously, because hes done it again in Sydney
RE:continued
by S Chandra on Jan 07, 2008 04:47 PM
Dont agree there. BCCI is no good agreed I have a lot of problems with it myself. But in this case, cant really start approprating blame on something which is unproved. Once the incident happened in India both Harbhajan and Sreesanth were spoken to by the Disciplinary committee. And both that they were provoked a lot by the Australians on the field.
However in Sydney I would hold judgement, because there is absolutely no proof whatsoever that Harbhajan has said or done anything wrong.
There's no visual or audio proof by anyone.
Its just a verbal allegation so its as good as one person's word against another. And just because someone did something in the past doesnt mean he has done it again without any proof ??
Where's the proof ? There's none !
I support the BCCI's stand completely on this issue they will appeal this judgement to find out the truth and not continue with the tour till some conclusive evidence is presented one way or the other.
Charges of racism are taken seriously in India, unlike what many people think.
We were a British colony and pretty much the entire ethos of our country is based on fighting racism, (irrespective of problems within Hindu society).
So if Ponting wants to charge a player with racism on the international arena, he's essentially challenging the country's reputation on an international stage. And if he does that, he better have the proof to back it up !! Otherwise it spells trouble for Indian-Austrlian cricket.
RE:continued
by S Chandra on Jan 07, 2008 04:26 PM
Fair comment. The Indians did put a lot of policemen to evict people in the ODIs in Nagpur onwards, but simply didnt have enough police to cover every place. The Symonds incident happened at only 2 locations. Bombay being the bigger destination of the 2, and the police did make arrests in that match from pictures taken from the crowd. Also give the Indian media for keeping this a frontline story and not burying it under the carpet. The media could have easily downplayed this story but it didnt, and went to the extent of printing some of the faces of the people in the crowd who were doing it.
However this is also a fact that the "Symonds" incident is an isolated one in Indian cricket. India doesnt have a history of racism in its cricket.
There is a lot of jingoism and nationalism, specially when its playing Pakistan (and now increasingly Australia), but there's no history of racism.
RE:continued
by S Chandra on Jan 07, 2008 03:29 PM
Can it be that every major team in the world complains about racism in Austrlia and they are all wrong ?
Roshan Mahanama has mentioned Australian racism in his book,
And yes Grame Smith did say that, but the fact that he did says something.
And why is it that no cricket team complains of racism anywhere else in the world ???
India has had several tours of West Indies, and many times West Indies have come to India.
Yet there is no racist incident involving WI in India. In fact there are no racist incidents involving Indian cricket before this whole "Symonds" episode at all.
And yes Ranatunga has complained of racism in Australia several times. Look it up again.
And I have no problem getting beaten by a better cricket team.
I had no problem when the Indian lost the home series to West Indies during the 80s.
And I dont have a problem getting beaten fair and square by Australia in a cricket match or series, like it happened in India or at Sydney.
But I do have a problem with Australian cricketers charging a player with racism, on the basis of "NO evidence" whatsoever, just based on testimonies.
Even Tony Grieg and Richie Benaud have said that the Australian team should not go down this path, because they are the who invented the "what happens on the field stays on the field" theory !!
Please who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones at others ! Remember ?
RE:RE:continued
by on Jan 07, 2008 03:37 PM
So you're saying that before Symmonds there were no racist incidents in India? So what? So I guess those people making the monkey chants and the whole ground chanting "monkey" were all made up? Those people were not indians? I saw it in TV, so are you saying what I saw on TV did not occur?
I guess its only in the subcontinent in which ranatatunga is taken seriously, what does it say about your part of the world?
The Australians didn't charge Singh with anything. They made an allegation and the match referee looked into it. An INDEPENDENT ruling body actually found him guilty. How do you know what Tendulkar or Singh said during the hearing?
There was an agreement between Kumble and Ponting BEFORE THE TEST SERIES that any racist incident would be reported (by the way, this isn't the first time that Singh is alleged to have called Symmonds a monkey), there was a racist incident and Ponting reported. India cannot complain about this as this is what they both agreed with
RE:RE:RE:continued
by S Chandra on Jan 07, 2008 03:45 PM
There is no evidence whatso-ever to charge Harbhajan !! None !!
Its just the words of the Australians vs the words of the Indians !!
I havent seen a single piece of evidence in any media outlet anywhere (Australian or Indian) which proves that Harbhajan said anything racist at all !!
And anyway, does the Australian cricket team hold a monopoly to verbally sledge opposing teams, and then if something is said back to them, they run to the match refree ??
Where does that logic come from ?
Symonds has himself admitted that he had a "go" at Harbhajan before Harbhajan retaliated.
So I guess the Aussie strategy is to say any and everything vile at opposing players just to get some form of response from them and then run to the match refree !!
And no this committee was not INDEPENDANT. Independant will be when the Indians get to call their defense lawyers as well, and they are part of the committe which makes the decision. The committee which took the decision is certainly not independant !
Even the umpires said they didnt hear anything ! Then on what basis is the match refree making his decision ? Just based on what the Australians are saying ?
So if all the Indian players made a similar allegation against Brad Hogg without the umpires hearing anything, would they ban Brad Hogg too ?? That would be fair !!
You'll see the BCCI will challenge this ban, and should in fact take the Australian team for a counter-sue for wrongful prosecution !
RE:continued
by S Chandra on Jan 07, 2008 04:06 PM
And yes, there have been no incidents in Indian cricket regarding racism before the "Symonds" incident. If u think there are, show me any article or record which says so.
This thread is hilarious. First we have some clown in here claiming Aussies are racists, then we have page after page of cricket "fans" denigrating Aussies. First thing's first: Yes, there were a lot of decisions that were wrong in the game, so what? Most of you are saying that the umpires were bribed, really? Do you have any proof of this? Does anyone with a brain really think that Australians bribed the umpires? Get over yourselves, you whiners. These are NEUTRAL umpires, and just out of interest, do you know why neutral umpires were introduced in the first place? Because of the terrible home decisions that local umpires were giving in favour of the local players IN THE SUBCONTINENT. If you're looking for corruption then look no further than your own country, it is rife with it and one of the reasons why it is a 3rd world country.
Lehman was rightly suspended for what he did, as is Singh right now. The only difference is that India thinks it can bully world cricket into giving in to its demands (to undo the ban). I hope the ICC doesn't and teaches India a lesson in accepting the INDEPENDENT ruling. Give us a link about this Mcgrath thing, please. Mcgrath had that confrontation in WI because he made a crude remark about his wife, who was suffering from cancer at the moment. How would you have reacted? Jones called that player a terrorist well after his playing days were over...so?
RE:Wake up to yourselves
by S Chandra on Jan 07, 2008 03:21 PM
Mr. on,
If you want to challenge what Im saying, then reply to my post, rather than calling me names, lets have some guts on show.
And Im not someone who is complaining about the umpiring.
Im talking about the ban on Harbhajan, which coming from Australia is totally about double standards, specially in the light of there being no proof.
Now, if anyone doubts about racism in Australian cricket, they need to get some basic lessons, before commenting here.
You want a link for McGrath's comment ? Google for this phrase "McGrath racist" and see the links.
Secondly, u sound like someone who just started watching cricket. I have been watching cricket since the 80s, and I have seen series in Australia when Kapil Dev and Sreekanth used to play, when crowds used to hold up such blatantly racist banners in the stands, that they would make some of the new players in our team hide if they saw them today.
And yes, I do agree, that Australia have tried hard to remove racism from the cricket stands, but it also stands to reason that they did so, because they had to !!
And if you think calling someone with a beard "a terorist" on air is ok, just because you have retired, then perhaps u need to here a racist comment from a retired cricketer to really make u understand what it really means !!
RE:Wake up to yourselves
by julianthehooligan on Jan 07, 2008 05:10 PM
The ban on Harbhajan, is a ban imposed not by Australia, but by the officials charged to hear and ajudicate a complaint of racisim, the ICC. Whether you believe Australia should have complained or not, they did, and they did so through the appropriate forum.
The ban is subject to appeal. During the appeal Harbhajan can play. I think it is churlish of India to act in this way.
Ricky ponting has a duty of care to his players and was obliged to report the incident. It has been the intent of the ICC to eliminate racicsim from cricket, and has instructed players and captains to report incidents of racisim for adjudication, and if appropriate, censure.
The Indian reaction has been to pull up stumps and seek to subvert the process by threat and coersion. If Proctor has got it wrong, or been too harsh, this will be dealt with by the appeal. But the process has to be allowed to work.
In fact India has now so subverted the process that should the appeal find in favour of Singh, people will believe it was a decision of political expedience rather than a true reflection of the facts. And if it is upheld it will leave the Indian team no room to manouvre, and they will have to depart.
Poor cricket any way you look at it. In the end India is the loser.
RE:Wake up to yourselves
by S Chandra on Jan 07, 2008 05:24 PM
Nope ! Wrong comment.
By accusing a player on an international stage of racism, is it Ponting who has raised this stake to become one of national importance.
Charging anybody represting the country in any forum of racism is about the country, not just the individual. Cricket crowds dont represent the country officially.
Cricket players do.
Its like charging the ambassador of a country of espionage.
And yes Ponting does have the right to appeal for what he thinks is wrong. But the fact of the matter is, this appeal is more than that of Harbhajan, its also a legal machination involving the country, because Harbhajan represents the country.
And if Ponting decides to make a legal case out of it, as he has, (and has every right to), he better have some concrete evidence.
Because to accuse someone who is representing the country of racism, without any evidence could lead to serious legal consequences at the national level.
Please note that in many years past no player who has travelled to Australia has ever legally taken someone to court over racism. The Darren Lehmann case was a case of the Austrlian Cricket Board acting on its own.
And no, the Indian board doesnt want to subvert the process in any way. It wants to appeal as it has every right to, and suspend the tour till some conclusive evidence is found on this issue one way or the other.
Im totally with the Board on this one. Serious allegations need a serious reaction.
RE:Wake up to yourselves
by suraj psycho on Jan 10, 2008 09:46 PM
If its Asad then its good, he is really a very good umpire. Simon is best. I do agree there were wrong decisions from umpires but I doubt Aus is to do something abt tht.. The this all should agree is Aus is far more better team thn India.. They can beat India anytime in Aus without any external help.. Ok leave the last test but can u even imagine India playing 15 tests without loosing... No heart feelings but its fact I'm an Indian n true crickrt fan.. In this fourm I felt Julian was very mature n sensible others were bit emotional in their comments.. I know I'll get lot of bad comments n slang bad sentances for me but fact is fact.. No heart feeling keep smiling & have a nice day ahead... :)
RE:Wake up to yourselves
by S Chandra on Jan 07, 2008 05:31 PM
The board doesnt want to influence the decision one way or the other.
It just wants to appeal this jurisdiction till some concrete evidence of wrong doing is found.
I think thats totally fair.
You cant just accuse someone who is representing the country of racism, and then carry on as if nothing has happened.
India has not subverted the process at all. Not factually true !!
It has waited in Sydney to get the complete report from the match refree which will be used to file an appeal. And any appeal on a case like this asks for proof.
And to hold up the tour to get the evidence I think is totally fair.
And no India is not the loser. Its Indian-Australian cricket which is the loser. Its cricket in general which is the loser.
Because if Ponting has gone to the extent of accusing someone representing the country of racism on an international stage, the reputation of the country is involved. And if he chooses to do so, he better have some concrete evidence to back it up !! This appeal process will become a serious legal case, so Ponting better have the evidence.
Proof is required !! Evidence. He better have it, since he is bringing the charge.
Cos if he doesnt, then the result will not be good for him and for Indian-Australian cricket !! Really !
RE:Wake up to yourselves
by julianthehooligan on Jan 07, 2008 07:12 PM
What utter rubbish!
Australian cricket is the most well developed and stable sport in the world. Australia loses nothing from this conflagration.
Harbhajan was reported. Harbhajan had his chance to answer the allegations. Proctor found against him. Harbhajan has the right to appeal, he has appealed.
If this forum is indicitive of Indian society at large, and I hope for your sake it is not. Then India and Harbhajan are rightly accused of being racist. I have read little in the way of thoughtful retort, I have mainly been assailed with racist taunts, and ill thought out racist jibes. Accompanying which I have read again and again Simons, Ponting, and others refferred to as monkies, convicts, and cheats.
Whilst it may sound very amusing, it makes the indian position of defending one of its players from accusations of racisim, by waxing on about how unracist Indians are, untenable.
Your assertions about evidence and accusations on the world stage, smack of sour grapes when after the hearing, India decide to lodge a complaint against Hogg.
I am happy for Hogg to face a hearing, and allow the process of that hearing to go forward unhindered by interference from outside agencies.
I for one believe Singh did step over the line. I base my view on the reaction of the Australian players at the time. Whilst this is a long way from conclusive evidence, that is the view I formed based on the body language of the players at the time. I happily am not in Proctor's position, but his
RE:RE:Wake up to yourselves
by S Chandra on Jan 07, 2008 11:26 PM
And I base my opinion based on the body language of Harbhajan and Sachin on the field and the past history of racist incidents in Australia.
Yes, a lot of bad things are being said on this forum, which shouldnt be. That i agree. But its coming from anger (not that its right).
This forum is only as much indicative of Indian society as your views are indicative of Australian society.
For your information, asking for evidence when someone is accused of something is not sour grapes. Its common sense !!
You cant accuse someone of something serious without concrete evidence. Thats just common sense across the globe, not just in Australia.
And read what I wrote before responding please. I didnt say Australian cricket would be hurt. I said Indian-Australian cricket relations would be hurt, and I stand by that.
Read some of the other postings on this forum, minus the noise.
I firmly hold my view that there is no history of racism in Indian cricket, the "Symonds" incident being an abberation.
India has had series with WI, SA and many other countries for decades now without any incident involving race.
You r entitled to ur opinion and Im entitled to mine.
The bottomline is proof is required to be produced by the Australian team, since they are the ones who have brought the charge !
As we all know that cricket is a game played by gentlemen in teh field. But I think that except few in Aussie(ADAM< STEVE etc.. ) others are from the forest. If any other player in the world does the same in their nation the Aussies and Aussie Media will jump from earth to sky stating cheaters of te game. But when it comes to them they state it as SPRIT of the Game. It seems Aussies never mind any thing and wans only judgement to them but not for the others. We the fans of cricket request all the nations of the world to QUIT THEIR TOUR of AUSTRALIA and make them to think a bit abt their mistakes.
Well Done BCCI. Please make sure Brad Hogg is punished as well. I remember Staurt Clarke made an Intutition that it will be Whitewash. This is not going to happen mate. First prove yourself has better bowler and then you can predict. You guys are bunch of cheaters
