Macgrath can tauntSachin, Langer used to sledge, ponting, clark can claim false catch, they can ask umpire to rule batsman out. They can instigate ishant, harbajan, yet they can get awaywith. THEY ARE SUPERHUMANS BOSS AND WE ARE YET SLAVES TO THESE PEOPLE HENCE WE ACCEPT
RE:Asian cannot, Australian can- Gilchrist puts squash ball under glove
by sujeet gopalkrishna kurup on Feb 27, 2008 03:51 PM
I agree this is discrimination. This should be reported to the united nations.
Dont be surprised if the things come to this level for Indians. They spring up the lens and rule books only for Indian players. ICC stands for Indian Inspecting Council. Request Indians to go slow on cricket.
RE:Next they would inspect players Undies
by Crick fan on Feb 26, 2008 01:59 PM
Mr intelligent try to read and analyse. Just dont think that what ever you write turns up superior. Now lay off from here.
RE:RE:Next they would inspect players Undies
by Srinivas Kasinathan on Feb 26, 2008 05:27 PM
Agreed. Why was Gilchrist not reprimanded when he had half a tennis ball inside his batting gloves during WC Finals? You will, of course, come up with an argument that there are no rules regarding this aspect written yet in the ICC Rule Book. How many other wicket keepers' gloves have been inspected during this tri-series? Did they inspect the gloves of Sangakkara or Gilchrist? These are the questions that spring to mind. It should be the duty of the media as well as the ruling officials of the tournament to make these facts crystal clear.
Having an extra webbing for few milli metres is wrong (no prob on that), then wat about having a golf ball inside a batting glove??? This was done by Adam Gilchrist in the ODI WC finals....it was he who took the game away from SL single handedly....
RE:RE:Wat about Gilchrist
by Indian on Feb 26, 2008 08:00 AM
Yeah.. Even Dhoni's gloves weren't illegal whilst he caught Gilly.. That's why he wasn't fined or suspended.. :-) :-) :-) Any problems?
He used illegal equipment that affected the game. He shouldn't have been suspended as it didn't affect the outcome, but definitely fined.
Another excellent piece of work from the ICC. Not quite sure why we bother to have rules, seems we can disregard them whenever convenient. Especially if we run the ICC....
RE:Guess I was right...
by Doogie Hauser on Feb 25, 2008 05:30 PM
Sorry. Could you tell me which ICC rule says that a squash ball is illegal? As you know all the rules obviously, just give me a section number and I'll go from there.
I'll see you back here in ten years or so when you finally give up looking for it...
p.s. I'd like to refer you to the Rediff page titled India complaint about being "provoked". You must be feeling at least a little stupid right now....
RE:Guess I was right...
by on Feb 28, 2008 09:47 AM
Law 3 of cricket deals with the umpires. Subsection 6 of law 3 deals with the conduct of the game, implements and equipment. It reads as under:
Before the toss and during the match, the umpires shall satisfy themselves that
(a) the conduct of the game is strictly in accordance with the Laws.
(b) the implements of the game conform to the requirements of Laws 5 (the ball) and 6 (the bat), together with either Laws 8.2 (size of stumps) and 8.3 (the bails) or, if appropriate, Law 8.4 (junior cricket).
(c) (i) no player uses equipment other than that permitted.
(ii) the wicket-keeper%u2019s gloves comply with the requirements of Law 40.2 (gloves).
The well-known Karnataka umpire M.R. Suresh, citing Tom Smith%u2019s New Cricket Umpiring and Scoring, the manual on the implementation of cricket%u2019s laws that umpires use, says the list of permitted external items for a batsman are a helmet, leg guards (pads), hand gloves and, if visible, fore arm guards.
Spectacles and jewellery are classified under clothing items.
Gilchrist%u2019s squash ball was, therefore, neither a piece of protective equipment, nor a clothing item, and was most certainly not visible to either side or the umpires.
In other words, Law 3 (6) (c) (i) specifically prohibits a player from using equipment other than that permitted. And nowhere in cricket%u2019s 42 laws is there a mention of a squash ball as a permitted item.
So, dear Doogie, can U in the next 10 yrs search for squash bal
RE:Guess I was right...
by Another Indian on Mar 07, 2008 05:35 PM
Yeah Doogie.. All drugs are also INSIDE the body... so you feel Haydos or Roy can come laced with Steroids and smash their way around? Will surely meet the "Spirit of the game" law, in your opinion.. :-) Very very good try though.... but not good enough as an answer to Mr. On.. Congrats Mr. On, for matting this Doogie... he was swaggering too much on this forum... now he has been rightfully put in his place.. on the mat!
RE:Guess I was right...
by Narayanan Balamurali on Feb 25, 2008 06:31 PM
I think we talk about how to play a gam in a fair manner. In that way ICC rules, its para nos etc are just a guidance. Is it appropriate to get an un fair means which is not numbered in ICC rules and hence one can use that practise. If that is accepted and let us get ready. Aussies behaviour is well known and no one need to substantiate it. Right from Body line entire world knows what it means fair.
RE:Guess I was right...
by Doogie Hauser on Feb 25, 2008 07:14 PM
So why have rules. Why not just guidelines? Say I go out to bat and get bowled, thats alright, I keep bating because its only a guideline. Aussie behaviour might be well known but so is the Indian attitude to the rules of cricket. Flexible and convenient when required.
RE:Guess I was right...
by Doogie Hauser on Feb 26, 2008 08:27 AM
Simple. Someone transgressed the rules of cricket and has done so for a long time. Found guilty, so why no punishment? He's Indian.
And you guys have the audacity to call aussies cheats. Its really quite funny.
RE:RE:Guess I was right...
by Doogie Hauser on Feb 25, 2008 05:33 PM
Sorry. Got reported. So again, which rule did Gilchrist break. Section number will do fine thanks.
You might want to have a look at India complaint about being "provoked". Who's complaining now????
RE:Guess I was right...
by a on Feb 25, 2008 05:53 PM
Doogie.. from your behaviour itself any one can say u are aussie. Similar to your team's behaviour of crying all the times you are also doing the same. If u think only ur team plays fair cricket then ask them to play in their own backyard. They r really cry babies when they cannot play some bowler they file complaint of illegal action.When some one is getting better than them they cry regarding Bat size or glove size. before pointing someone plz look to your self. ponting using bat which was wider than what is permitted in cricket. I am just giving one incident. and if you have are mature just go and check your teams wrong first and then cry. Even that day is not too far when aussies will not be able to travell to any other countries due to their this kind of behaviour. We and only Indians are one who are providing them shelters by bidding them in IPL but still they are spitting in same plate in which they will be eating. Shame on these kind of persons and especially OZ.
RE:Guess I was right...
by Doogie Hauser on Feb 25, 2008 06:08 PM
Yep. Aussie cricketers would go hungry if not for the IPL. As for crying, see above. Ponting using a bat that was too wide, now thats new. I think you have mixed us up with Zimbabwe...
RE:Guess I was right...
by Abdul Qader on Feb 25, 2008 05:45 PM
Aha, so we are talkin about rules now? Well, let me see. Ever wondered why only the Indians get booked for the 'offences' under ICC rules and the Aussies seem invincible? First, we had the whole Sydney fiasco with Bhajji being fined in the end, then Rohit Sharma was fined, now Ishant Sharma was fined, and finally this Dhoni incident. On the other end, count me how many times have the Aussies been warned. probably none on this tour (may be once or twice which i may not be aware of). Remember, the Aussies r also playing this tour and its not just India playing alone. So then why the disparity? Thats surprising, specially considering the aggressive brand of cricket they play! If you look at the incidents, there have been many but it seems someone 'disregards them when convenient'. Lets start with Sydney. Clarke claims grounded catches, Ponting tells umpires what decisions to make (if it was out or not), Gilly wears balls in his gloves (which is legal, but some webbing in gloves is not???), Ponting and/or Symonds have a standoff with Indian players almost every match (atleast some ugly comments which force a departing batsman in his tracks [case in point: Bhajji]), atleast 2 Aussies (Gilly and Symonds) were wearing a microphone like device in the T20 match..... and these are just the incidents i remember. There may be some more which i have overlooked. So now that that the picture is clearer Mr Hauser, would you still claim India runs the ICC? On the contrary, infact.
RE:Guess I was right...
by Doogie Hauser on Feb 25, 2008 05:59 PM
Firstly, just want to say that I always thought you were an exceptional bowler but anyways...
Bhaji admitted abusive language. R Sharma was fined for dissent and apologised (his excuse was surprise). I Sharma should have been fined for mouthing *F* five times clearly, but instead was fined for the finger point (the lesser of the two).
This is old, old news but lets do it again. Clarke no idea, no footage. Ponting did what he and Kumble agreed to. Gilly, well read the rules, Dhoni however knows its a wk glove not a catchers mitt. You might care to remember that Sehwag wore a mike during the 20/20 game too.
The only thing I agree is that ponting and Simmo are behaving like pigs on the cricket field. Fair enough, but thats our problem, not yours. You worry about the hooligans playing in your team (Harbi and Sharma) and we'll worry about ours.
And yes the ICC is run by the BCCI. They throw money and everyone listens. Everyone outside of India thinks this and probably half the people in India do too.
RE:Guess I was right...
by sriram gupta on Feb 25, 2008 06:41 PM
"the ICC is run by the BCCI. They throw money and everyone listens."
They are bunch of losers as they are politicians who only care for themselves. They should kick Symonds, Hayden and Ponting out from cricket. Or at least they should stop playing with these Aussie cheaters
RE:Guess I was right...
by Doogie Hauser on Feb 25, 2008 06:51 PM
Probably wouldn't be the worst thing, not playing against India. We'd get our cricketers back instead of these back and forth tours to India over the next ten years. Which you have to pay to see here (on pay TV). Also no IPL, ICL etc, so more cricket played here. Brings the game back to the people and away from the political showpony it is becoming.
As for cheaters, well, look at the title of this article Einstein.
RE:Guess I was right...
by jaishankar tiwari on Feb 26, 2008 12:59 PM
Was Symonds saying to Ishant"Thank you after being bold? It was Symonds who started chating after being bold, not Ishant. Both were equal on the point of chating or abusing. If Ishant should be punished; then why Symonds not - As he is an Aussies.
Ponting grounds the catch and still apealing. When umpire denied then he he acknowledged that he was only 95% sure for that catch.
M. Clark holds ball after one bounce and strnogly appealed for catch with support of Capton, who can not see the ball when it bounce with a distance of few meters and is 100% sure that ball was clearly taken and no one can ask about his INTIGRITY. Then what is use of umpires when Australia is playing?
This is FAIR CRICKET, whis played only by Australia.
Pakistani Capton can banned for appealing for a grounded catch, while Ponting and Co. cant. WHY???
RE:Guess I was right...
by Doogie Hauser on Feb 26, 2008 01:13 PM
Symonds said well bowled as you do in a sporting manner. Ishant said the *F* word 5 times, as you do in a sporting manner (Indian style). Ishant was punished because he broke the rules, Simmo didn't end of story.
The rest is ancient history. However if you want to criticise other nations cricketers to try to bring them down to the level of your own ball tampering, match fixing, illegal equipment using players, thats your perogative.
RE:Guess I was right...
by Doogie Hauser on Feb 27, 2008 04:50 AM
Well the paranoia has set in hasn't it. This will be fun. 1) If stump mike evidence is doctored, how did Harbi get off? Surely we would have doctored it to ensure his guilty verdict. Nice try. 2) What evidence? Your suggesting there was evidence to say he was innocent. Wrong. There was not enough evidence ( of a higher enough standard) to find him guilty. Nice try. 3) McGrath should have been suspended for the Sarwan comment, instead he was fined due to a previous good record and supposedly mitigating circumstances. Sharma should have been fined or suspended for doing the same. Both used abusive language when uncalled for. So rather than take the Indian view of well 'so and so' did it so my guy is innocent. I prefer to charge anyone that crosses the line. Also our PM is new, the old one got the flick so once again. Nice try.
3 Nice tries and your out. It is baseball after all, just ask Dhoni, he's got the equipment.
RE:RE:Guess I was right...
by Another Indian on Mar 07, 2008 05:41 PM
Indians didn't challenge the Sharma ruling coz they are sick of doing that and getting nowhere.. I mean why challenge when you know you are up against a brick wall? Doogie, you yourself say there is nothing bad about sledging, you Aussies believe that the F word and B word is a part of corporate linguistics, yet you yourself uphold Sharma's punishment.. I mean, you should be the first one to get up and say, hey mate, why punish Sharma? What the F did he say that falls under the punishment category?.. But no. I don't expect that from you, coz you are not on the side of truth. You are on the side of Aussie players and more specifically against the Indians.. Look where it has landed you and your Aussie team today.. :-)
RE:Guess I was right...
by Doogie Hauser on Feb 26, 2008 06:09 PM
Ok then. 1) Sledging I have no problem with. As long as its not racial or abusive. Complaining to the match referee over Mad boy though is just plain funny. 2) I don't know how you can relate match fixing to drugs in sport but anyways. Warne took a diuretic for performance enhancement? Check your facts before making comments. Diuretics make you lose water. Banned yes, performance enhancing no. As they have no effect on performance, the rest of your question is meaningless. 3) Our guys named it mental disintegration. Its been around for yonks. Playing mind games on the cricket field has happened since the times of W.G. Grace.
Arvind, we are quite happy to accept that our players are not perfect and in some cases are downright embarassing. What is disgraceful is this 'holier than thou' attitude from Indian cricket fans that there players are beyond reproach. When your players cross the line (the line put in by the ICC who are run by your cricket administration), accept your punishment and move on. Instead we hear either 1) didn't happen or 2) wasn't my fault or 3) wasn't aware or 4) we only did it in retaliation. Thats why Indian cricket is like a mother in law. You want her to visit for the rewards you get from your missus, but you hate every minute of it because she is just plain annoying. And like a mother in law, right now, we can't wait to see the back of you. At least until next Xmas...
RE:RE:Guess I was right...
by venkatesh on Feb 27, 2008 10:31 AM
Alright so you were on the field when symonds said to ishant 'well bowled', and in reply to this ishant said *F* to him......Ha Ha Ha quite funny.....
RE:Guess I was right...
by Arvind Nandan on Feb 26, 2008 05:11 PM
Mr Hauser seems to be a knowledgeable cricket fan. Would you then tell us if sledging is considered good by your standards? Also, if people are fixing matches in other parts of the world, aren't your 'greatest' guys using banned substances(remember one Mr. Warne) for performance enhancement, and that too, in a sport like cricket? Wonder if they didn't do that, how many matches they would've played or wickets they would have had.
Isn't it your guys who started this non-cricketing competition called 'mental disintegration'? And, is it that these things acceptable so long as they are done by Aussies? But if they get the taste of their own medicine, they will run to the head-masters to complain.
RE:RE:Guess I was right...
by Karthik Venkatachalam on Feb 26, 2008 06:37 PM
lol@symonds having said "well bowled". It may even be possible for the Channel 9 aussie cheerleaders to provide stump microphone evidence (doctored, of course) of Symonds' sporting gesture!!!
ICC is the pet dog of the Aussies, not BCCI. As for the ICC 'bending backwards' to please the BCCI during the Bhajji case, the suggestion is laughable. The ICC had to 'bend' in the face of 'evidence', guess that's something Mike Procter and his fellow refs need some education on. The match refs reporting of cricketers' on field 'code of conduct' breaches is biased and racist just as the umpires on-field decision making is. And if Australia wants to keep winning and breaking 'records' with the help of bribed umpires and cheats posing as match refs, they will just need to find another opponent: India is just not up to it! The windies may fill the slot perfectly (just appoint Bucknor as the umpire! The aussie dollars may have induced amnesia about his nationality). If Ishant Sharma had to be fined for mouthing a few well deserved expletives to Symmonds, Mc Grath should have been banned for life for a murder threat on field for his infamous 'I'll rip your throat off' comment! But instead, the PM of Aus says it's an Aussie thing to do!(Aussie style, eh?)
RE:RE:Guess I was right...
by Doogie Hauser on Feb 28, 2008 12:55 PM
No. But apparently thats what the stump mike heard. Thats why the Indians didn't challenge the Sharma ruling.
Thats right though, when it helped clear Harbi its alright, but when it clears Simmo its doctored.
RE:Guess I was right...
by venkatesh on Feb 26, 2008 11:43 AM
About Bhajji it was not proved that he said so called 'Big Monkey'to Symonds,and who knows this may be a fake story created by symonds himself, because not even a single proof was given in this regard, & about cheating i think u didnt watch the sydney test match.ur aussie news papers itself tell's the truth. have a nice days.
RE:RE:Guess I was right...
by Doogie Hauser on Feb 26, 2008 01:15 PM
Really. And wheres the proof that the Oz players have been provoking Harbi and Ishant??? I think Harbi made up the madboy comment just to get Simmo cited. He is after all worth more than most of the Indian players.
RE:Guess I was right...
by venkatesh on Feb 27, 2008 10:28 AM
Yet Another Example today, your stupid hayden does it this time from aussies, calls our bhajji obnoxious weed on the radio is that fare,hey aussies if you cant play a fare game then why are you in this game?, this is another example that everytime aussies start, and indians finish, and when the indians finish they finish it ''FULL AND FINAL''
RE:Guess I was right...
by Abdul Qader on Feb 25, 2008 06:50 PM
Is it just me or does Bhajji only sledge against the Aussies? Thats debatable. As for Ponting and co, Its always some or the other controversy with almost all visiting teams complaining. Thats a fact.
As for ICC, let me state the obvious. ICC is definitely run by the BCCI. Financially. As far as clout (the non-financial type) is concerned, we are probably as influential as a regular ICC member, but definitely not more than the Aussies. There seems this inherent fear among all ICC officials about booking Aussie players on their so-called mistakes. But its always prompt action against other teams, specially if they happen to be Asians.
And before you bring up the point, let me clarify. India's threat to withdraw from the tour doesn't equate to running the ICC. Its national prestige. Any team in India's place would have probably done the same as the tag of a racist player wont go down well with any national team. Considering the passion among Indian cricket fans, a withdrawal was always a better offer than a racist Bhajji. And please dont assume that BCCI would have profited from the withdrawal; Im sure there was definitely something to loose. So that settles the issue of 'throwing money and everyone listening'.
PS: Neither am I from that country, nor have I even seen him in action. I guess he retired before I even started watching the sport.
RE:Guess I was right...
by sagar s on Feb 25, 2008 07:24 PM
Its proven fact that Australia is the only country which uses sledging as a tactic to win games. ICC has always been partial with lots of countries especially with sub continent teams. without these teams ICC would not be bankrupt.As regards to Ishanth sharma and symonds row..symonds should also be fined as he is the Monkey (oopsss symonds might lodge a protest about it )is out of control..he is a cry baby. as soon as he was out he starts his tantrums...and he is supported by the most arrogant person in the world that is Ricky...well anyways good luck to the Ozie team as they will be like that thru out thier life..old habits die hard..rite
RE:Guess I was right...
by on Feb 25, 2008 09:45 PM
you guys really throw around terms like "proven fact" don't you..?
proven? if so where? by whom?
proven is a very strong adjective to use when you are simply stating an opinion my friend..
doogie hauser - i admire your attempt to add some semblance of sense to this ridiculousness but i fear your efforts (while thoughtful and considered) are largely wasted on these woefully one eyed and parochial indian fans..
i reiterate what you said re: gilchrist.. a squash ball in the glove contravenes no prescribed ICC law.. so the mind boggles at his being termed a cheat..
i for one will be glad when this series ends (win or lose) and this ridculous bunch of tantrum throwing school girls are safely (and ignorantly) esconsed back in the bosom of their motherland..
RE:Guess I was right...
by sagar s on Feb 25, 2008 07:31 PM
Its proven fact that Australia is the only country which uses sledging as a tactic to win games. ICC has always been partial with lots of countries especially with sub continent teams. without these teams ICC would be bankrupt.As regards to Ishanth sharma and symonds row..symonds should also be fined as he is the Monkey (oopsss symonds might lodge a protest about it )is out of control..he is a cry baby. as soon as he was out he starts his tantrums...and he is supported by the most arrogant person in the world that is Ricky...well anyways good luck to the Ozie team as they will be like that thru out thier life..old habits die hard..rite
RE:RE:Guess I was right...
by Doogie Hauser on Feb 25, 2008 07:03 PM
Funny. Your a legspinning genius and didn't even know it. You had the best wrongun I ever saw and your action I could watch it for days...bounce, bounce, bounce (if you see footage, you'll know what I mean).
Perhaps a valid point regarding Bhaji as I haven't seen him aganist other nations. I have heard of a certain incident involving Kevin Pietersen in England but haven't seen it so its hard to judge. Doesn't sound good though.
I'd argue not so much about Ozzie players being booked but more home teams. Sreesanth (in last tour of India) was worse than anything that has happened in this tour but got fined and only towards the end of the series. Home teams definitely get a better run but as to reasons ??? Perhaps the media bias towards the home team has an influence, I'm sure that TV coverage does but thats a whole other discussion.
Never intended to bring up the withdrawal point. It speaks for itself. However I would point out that the BCCI got nearly everything it wanted from the Bhaji incident, so somebody obviously listened.
Dude, do yourself a favour and youtube your name. You'll see a great bowler in action.
RE:Guess I was right...
by Doogie Hauser on Feb 26, 2008 02:25 AM
Of course you do. Thats why you were guessing in a previous post but anyways...
So the antics that Sreesanth pulled out during the last series in India are ok by the majority of Indian fans. The only surprising thing there is that you admit you enjoy his unsporting behaviour. Up till now you guys claim to be bastions of sportsmanship. Funny.
Just to remind you, in the Dhoni and Sharma cases from the last OD, it has ben Indian team management that approached the match referee. No aussie has without a request from the ICC to report.
This is heading off topic so I'll leave it there. Its really funny watching people trying to justify cheating. Makes my day...
RE:Guess I was right...
by Abdul Qader on Feb 25, 2008 07:28 PM
Mr Hauser, I very well know who my namesake is, and am probably not interested in watching a player who plays no more. Not that it is even relevant in this discussion.
Sreesanth is definitely a hot-head and may get out of line occasionally. But in this part of the world, we enjoy watching his antics after a batsmen's dismissal as he would break-dance or bang the ground with his hands or something similar. As for his verbal tirade, dont know what he says (I lack lip-reading skills) but either ways, we dont find teams running over to the match refree in his case, so obviously, nothing that can't be mended off-field. Same can't be said about the Ponting/Symonds/Hayden banter.
