but there were some real waste bodies from bengal thrown into the international arena like...Deep Gas Gupta, LR shukla, Utpal Chatterji....joker saala! ;-) Ranji main score karne se kuch nahin hota...when u are given 10 odd matches to prove...if u still fail..then there is something wrong in Ranji format itself
RE:Bongs are not in tune with present Indian scenario!!!!!!!
by Arindam Sarkar on Feb 12, 2008 11:23 PM
And some people like Narain display their immature grey cells by typing politically coated hate messages..
RE:Bongs are not in tune with present Indian scenario!!!!!!!
by neel on Feb 08, 2008 04:44 PM
It is BCCI politics who led bongs always down u idiot , anti-bengali hagard, what is the logic behind ranadeb exclusion even when he plays. If it happens to ur state . would u dare commenting in the same fashion.U anti indian separatist
RE:Bongs are not in tune with present Indian scenario!!!!!!!
by Keshav on Feb 09, 2008 08:27 AM
Unfortunately bongs have created such an impression among many Indians across the country.
RE:Bongs are not in tune with present Indian scenario!!!!!!!
by harekrishna sahoo on Feb 09, 2008 07:36 PM
Tell me in the current team, whom Mr. Bose will replace......
Another point to noted that in last couple of domestic matches Debasis Mohanty bowled much better than Mr. Bose....But no one is speaking about him....
RE:Bongs are not in tune with present Indian scenario!!!!!!!
by gautam majumdar on Feb 10, 2008 06:06 AM
And we proudly claim, India is not a racist country. Lets hear something on Bhaiyas, Madrasis, Sardars, Muslims, Marathis, Gujjus,.... Let them share the limelight too.
RE:Bongs are not in tune with present Indian scenario!!!!!!!
by Himadri Bhattacharya on Feb 11, 2008 05:15 PM
But I thought Mr S Narain was saying in sympathy to the Bongs that they are not 'politician' enough to manage their boys into Indian Cricket Team.
But I tell you Bongs are crazy about all players from their state irrespective of whetehr the player is a Bong or not. Say for instance Manoj Tiwari, Rohan Gavaskar, and earlier we ha Devang Gandhi. In foot ball Baichung. We may not ever have a Ganguly rising in Maharashtra or Karnataka or ..... So one may look inside why all states are not as cosmopolite as the BONG state.
Kaif Scored 955 runs in this season ( Highest) with average of 64 in 10 matches in this season. 3 century,5 Half century. and also captained UP & Central zone. He is a excelent fielder also. No body can compete in fielding in India with him.
RE:Kaif Deserve selection now for SA series
by Najam Anwer on Feb 07, 2008 12:33 PM
No Journalist writes about his acheivemt in this season, Definitely he will get chance in the upcoming series. Once ganguly dropped and came in after performing in domestic. Kaif has perform in domestic, he deserve selection on his merit.
RE:Kaif Deserve selection now for SA series
by Thilak Raj on Feb 08, 2008 04:01 AM
Rahul, very tough to be replaced. Ganguly, I like his plays in ODI, but somehow doesn't fit into the Test squad ever, except for few performances. Can be replaced easily by anyone. But his loss in the ODI is too big to be closed.
RE:Kaif Deserve selection now for SA series
by colin fernandez on Feb 09, 2008 07:10 PM
in duleep tropy match a batman called ravi teja for south zone smashed the living daylights of bose and s s. paul played all the shots hook pull cut lofted drives and faced fast bowlers with confidence from around and over the wicket surely such batsmen should be promoted and given oppurtunities in fact south zone would have won if not for poor umpiring decision against him he was surely better than badrinath
RE:Kaif Deserve selection now for SA series
by rajanikanth ramesh nayak on Feb 07, 2008 09:03 PM
We are not even talking about dada and the wall. Try to understand the topic discussed then comment. I think Kaif has performed consistently and deserves a chance. How he is going to get that chance i do no know. Gambhir, rohit seem to be quite good players themselves.
RE:Kaif Deserve selection now for SA series
by Lotiya Pathan on Feb 08, 2008 08:00 AM
and you try and understand his comments and then reply..lol BTW, Kaif hasn't done much. Yes he did perform for a period of time in ODIs and that was it.. There are Venu Rao, Badrinath, Sharma and many other more technically accoplished player waiting out there. Kaif has no chance. If we have to go to Kaif, bring Dada and wall back rather..
RE:Kaif Deserve selection now for SA series
by Sweet Mango on Feb 07, 2008 12:27 PM
Kaif is one time wonder boy Bcci give him too much chance's bur result is Zero
score only 2 century & 10-12 fifty after playing more than 150 match
RANADEB BOSE NEEDS TO IMPROVE HIS SPEED BY ATLEAST 10 KMPH TO REACH 135-140 RANGE. SLOWER BOWLERS WILL GET THRASHED BY INTERNATIONAL HIGH QUALITY BATSMEN.
RE:RANADEB BOSE NEEDS TO IMPROVE HIS SPEED BY ATLEAST 10 KMPH TO REACH 135-140 RANGE
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Feb 11, 2008 01:24 AM
What does that have to do with anything? Maybe he bowls with his foot 5 inches behind the popping crease -- you will never get no-balled then, even if you marginally overstep. Not bowling no-balls is good, but most captains would take bowlers who bowl the occasional no-ball (note, occasional) but are wicket takers under all contitions. A bowler who maxes out at 130kmph is not one such. He can be a restrictive bowler on flat tracks (first change) but not one that the opposition will fear. Pace works -- you need accuracy AND pace, not an either-or. You can sacrifice some pace for accuracy if you are Brett Lee, but not if you are ranadeb bose. McGrath was accurate, but he also bowled at 135-140kmph for most of his career. That combination (plus steepling bounce) made him the dangerous under any condition...
Anyway, our fast bowlers are doing well. Srisanth and Pathan are doing a good job and Ishant is doing an excellent job. We don't need a fast bowler. We need someone who can be a good spinner, cuz Bhajji isn't exactly threatening.
RE:RANADEB BOSE NEEDS TO IMPROVE HIS SPEED BY ATLEAST 10 KMPH TO REACH 135-140 RANGE
by Lotiya Pathan on Feb 07, 2008 12:02 PM
Dear ACCURACY is important.
Shoiab Akhtar is faster than McGrath.. Who is more successful bowler ??
RE:RANADEB BOSE NEEDS TO IMPROVE HIS SPEED BY ATLEAST 10 KMPH TO REACH 135-140 RANGE
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Feb 11, 2008 01:07 AM
McGrath bowled in the 135-140 range for most of his career. If Bose has to become a McGrath, he will have to equal his pace. Compare Bose to Shaun Pollock -- that is better. Pollock is about the same pace as Bose and a fine bowler, but would he have been in the SA side over the last 4-5 yrs had he not been an excellent batsman too? I think not. There are no bowlers in international cricket today who are successful bowling at Venky Prasad's pace (same as pollock or bose). ODI tracks these days are flat, with good bounce and carry, and no movement off the pitch. Unless you can swing the ball at pace you will struggle. See the ODI vs Australia which we won... Who picked wickets? Sharma (140 ), Srisanth (around 140), Brett Lee (150 ), Mitchell Johnson (145 ). Stuart Clark and Pathan (around 130) did OK in terms of keeping runs down but did they do too much damage? Extend this to all the games we have seen so far...
Batsmen can cope with swing if it is not bowled at pace. The whole point of pace bowling is to beat the batsman with swing without giving time to react. Even SRT or Ganguly can swing the ball at ~110kmph. Regardless of accuracy, they will be effective only under very specific conditions (slow wicket, swinging contitions).
RE:RANADEB BOSE NEEDS TO IMPROVE HIS SPEED BY ATLEAST 10 KMPH TO REACH 135-140 RANGE
by Utpal Parekh on Feb 07, 2008 12:10 PM
Accuracy is very important....McGrath, Sarfraz Nawaz, Terry Alderman...none of them had pace...but look at their record and you know what counts!! Just having pace is not enough!!
RE:RANADEB BOSE NEEDS TO IMPROVE HIS SPEED BY ATLEAST 10 KMPH TO REACH 135-140 RANGE
by Karunakar Patil on Feb 07, 2008 12:30 PM
Ther pace was very good was always above 130.
Shoab Akhtar with his speed rattles any batting side on his day eventhough he is not that accurate
RE:RANADEB BOSE NEEDS TO IMPROVE HIS SPEED BY ATLEAST 10 KMPH TO REACH 135-140 RANGE
by Sweet Mango on Feb 07, 2008 12:31 PM
Not agree with u look at Lee , malinga , bond all of them are speed star
RE:RANADEB BOSE NEEDS TO IMPROVE HIS SPEED BY ATLEAST 10 KMPH TO REACH 135-140 RANGE
by abhishek haldar on Feb 11, 2008 10:45 PM
Ha ha!! Well said Lotiya!
He has bird flu. You wouldnt want him to join the team and infect the rest of the players,do you ? Many players are unable to play due to injuries already. BCCI is playing it safe by keeping Bengalis out at this important juncture. This is according to the latest media reports.
RE:Reason for bot being selected
by Saurav on Feb 07, 2008 12:39 PM
Mr. Ramu people like are ture Anti Indian. You are criticising a player on the basis of resent environmental senerio. Your assessment is clearly showing what uncultured base you have.Same on you.
RE:Reason for bot being selected
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Feb 11, 2008 01:26 AM
People like you need to get a sense of humour. It was clearly a joke, and only a retard would think otherwise.
Had he been from Mumbai or Karnataka, he might have a played dozen tests for India by now!!
He is only missing out cos the BCCI has a very vindictive mentaility towards Bengal cricket due to Dalmiya background and also missing out due to the fact that the Bengal cricket board is not half as well run as Mumbai cricket association!!
Otherwise, with his accuracy, his ability to never bowl no-balls and his sharp pace, he should be an automatic choice in ODIs and also when we tour abroad!!
Even his so called lack of pace is a media created bogus!1 He his as fast as Sreesanth when in rhythm and like Sree, does not throw any tantrums and never oversteps...that coupled with his late movement means that he is quite a handful!!
Hope he gets his chances now that losers like Agarkar and Munaf are out of the way!!
RE:Ranadeb Bose is unlucky!!
by Kaushik Basu on Feb 07, 2008 12:25 PM
well...i am a bengali...and i really feel Ranadeb is not an international player...he doesnt hv the pace...dnt site example of McGrath..he was of a different level..and to all my bengali frnds...plz come out of that "rest of india vs. bengal" mentality.
RE:RE:Ranadeb Bose is unlucky!!
by Karunakar Patil on Feb 07, 2008 12:28 PM
Bengal has to come out of that regeonal menatlity . They have to raasta roko when Kumble the highest wkt taker is dropped initially and then Dravid was dropped. Not just some body from Bengal is dropped.
RE:Ranadeb Bose is unlucky!!
by akash on Feb 26, 2008 02:44 AM
ranadeb bose is really unlucky.he deserves a place in the india team.but the point is there is no vaccancy in the indian team now.in the international cricket only with pace one can not move much further until and unless he has accuracy and variations in his bowling.in his autobiography great imran khan has written that in the mid of his career he reduced his pace and concentrated to more accuracy and variations in flights which lengthen his career.if a bowler depends solely on pace it will burn him out too fast.as far as agarkar is concerned he is a veruy ordinary bowler.he got the wickets as he got plenty of chances.it is really amazing that one in one point of time even saurabh supported him.well i personlly feel that bose can be useful if he gets a chance to bowl with ishant sharma as a pair.the pace of ishant and medium fast of ranadeb will baffle the batsmen and will disturb them.
RE:Ranadeb Bose is unlucky!!
by Saurav on Feb 07, 2008 12:47 PM
Mr. Patil don't put wrong statements regarding Bengal. By seeing present voilence in Mumbai I would say Maharashtrians should come out of that regional mentality first then you people are authorised to give guidance to others.
RE:RE:Ranadeb Bose is unlucky!!
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Feb 07, 2008 08:43 PM
McGrath has pace too... McGrath bowled at 135kmph minimum (except when close to retirement), and was 6'4", so had superb bounce. I guess the better comparison would be Pollock, who is a fine bowler and bowls in the 120-130 range. Cameron Cuffy was an accurate bowler too (remember that guy)? Accuracy doesn't necessarily translate to wickets!
RE:Ranadeb Bose is unlucky!!
by sudip majumder on Feb 08, 2008 02:20 PM
not sure whether you have played any cricket at all else you would not have such a moronic blunt statement; surely Randev deserved a spot in the Indian squad
RE:Ranadeb Bose is unlucky!!
by Karunakar Patil on Feb 07, 2008 12:09 PM
Ranadeb is militory med pacers . You cannot compare him with Agarkar who has taken almost 300wkts (288 in oneday format) which is highest by any current playing indian bowler.He has taken 4wkts -12 times highest by any indian bowler- Others near him are Kuble & Srinath-10 times, Zaheer-7 times, and Kapil- 4 times. Agrakars pace 140 plus where Ranadev is not even a med pacer. He cannot succed in todays international cricket. He has consult experts and bring speed to at least 130-35.
RE:RE:Ranadeb Bose is unlucky!!
by Karunakar Patil on Feb 07, 2008 12:16 PM
To add to that AGARKAR has rattled many best batting sides in just one spell and won matches. Ranadeb with his low speed may succeed in Onedayers especially in England where slow bowlers can swing balls. But then he has to work on accuracy. Now to get in Indian side he has to work really hard. As you can see, ZAHEER, Sree, RP, Ishant, Pathan and Munaf are front runners with thier international performance.
RE:Ranadeb Bose is unlucky!!
by babban on Feb 07, 2008 12:19 PM
he he he, here GHATI comes .. to support shit agarkar. Agarkar is 3rd grade bowler.. got chance into indian team due to influence of mumbai looby into BBCI..
the same way, selfish superstar is playing for india for last 18 years.
RE:Ranadeb Bose is unlucky!!
by Karunakar Patil on Feb 07, 2008 12:26 PM
YAAR come with logical argument i do not want to know i'm least interested. But thse figures are fact You own preference canoot make anybody selfish. If with selfishness plays so much of cricket 28000 international runs and 80 international 100 at toplevel AVG and scoring rate . Nobody in international cricket can surpss in next 20 years what is achievd by Little genius
RE:Ranadeb Bose is unlucky!!
by Rakesh Sharma on Feb 14, 2008 11:34 AM
I THINK YOU ARE A FOURTH GRADE PERSON....WRITING WITHOUT KNOWING ABOUT FACTS.....
RE:Ranadeb Bose is unlucky!!
by pranam on Feb 07, 2008 11:56 AM
At the outset I am not from Bengal or Kolkatta Ifeel this lad has had a raw deal Selected for one or two series never had an oppurtunity to bowl regularly has been side lined (like Badrinath) Ishant would have had same fate but for injuries to Sreesanth, Munaf,Also he had a captain in Kumble who encouraged him I wish Bcci had sent Bose to Australia .Hard luck I wish Lady luck would smile on this Bowler
RE:Ranadeb Bose is unlucky!!
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Feb 07, 2008 11:54 AM
Ranadeb Bose isn't quick enough for international cricket. He bowls in the 120-130kmph range, and not many bowlers are successful in that speed bracket (only Shaun Pollock, and even he gets dropped on batting tracks, forcing his retirement). Srisanth closes in on 140 when he is in rhythm. The fact is, he didnt do well against England in the practice games there either. How many Bombay Bowlers have played for India in the recent past except Agarkar? Munaf switched to Bombay only after his international debut, before that he played for another side (cant rem.). Ishant Sharma -Delhi, Srisanth - Kerala, Pathan,Zaheer - Baroda, RP Singh - UP. Well? Except Pathan, all bowl 135 kmph. Pathan is also in the 130-135 range and is a good batsman down the order.
If we buy your argument that BCCI is anti bengal, how was manoj tiwary picked in the side, and played against Aus? Ranadeb is too old at 28. I think India would rather invest in youngsters (look what Sharma did!) given the fact that fast bowlers start to decline after 30 yrs or so in terms of pace.
RE:Ranadeb Bose is unlucky!!
by Najam Anwer on Feb 07, 2008 12:18 PM
Correct Please Munaf is playing for Maharashtra now ( earlier Mumbai from the 1st season) Zaheer playing for Mumbai Now( earlier Baroda)
RE:RE:Ranadeb Bose is unlucky!!
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Feb 07, 2008 08:40 PM
I believe munaf started with gujrat, then moved to bombay and now maharashtra. he was picked when he was a guj player. Zaheer is now Bombay -- again, he was picked as a baroda player. That doesn't count... my point was none of our fast bowlers were from bombay when they were selected to play for india.
RE:Ranadeb Bose is unlucky!!
by arindam mookherjee on Feb 07, 2008 12:09 PM
Buddy, how much of cricket do u really follow...u r a roman with a poor memory. Bose is real unlucky...ur point of his pace is valid but a steady swing bowler at 130 for an Indian team is not bad compared to the crop we have... facts: wrm up game in england 5 wkts in an innings...u say thats poor. facts: Mhambrey, Kuruvilla, Salve, Munaf, all got india calls...mumbai hasnt produced other fast bowlers to be even on the fringes....rohit sharma continues to play (avg in international and domestic well below many others in India).
BCCI is anti-Bengal (surely the Dalmia factor). They got CAB dismissed from voting...selector from east zone is R Biswal from Orissa. He is pathologically anti Bengal)... Tiwary selection and Eden gardens as a venue happened after a stooge was put in as CAB chief and this guy has got the Bengal cricket team relegated to second div.
RE:Ranadeb Bose is unlucky!!
by DrBanchhanidhi Acharya on Feb 07, 2008 10:01 PM
if ranjib biswal is anti bengal and pro orissa then whole orissa team should be in indian team..u m f bong
RE:Ranadeb Bose is unlucky!!
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Feb 07, 2008 08:39 PM
Munaf started with gujarat, then moved to Bombay. Same with Zaheer. They were not picked when they were Bombay players. Anyway, Bose botched his chance in a tour match in England. Venky Prasad was similar to Bose in pace and accuracy - he was never a strike bowler.
As far as the list of bowlers you mentioned, we have tried others as well: Thiru Kumaran, Yohannan, Harvinder Singh, Bhangar, blah, blah. Bowlers get noticed only when their team wins (true for batsmen as well...) both get more chances to showcase their talent. Bombay has had more rep. in the Indian side because it's a winning side. It may be that BCCI is anti CAB now, but Dalmiya was at the helm (or his puppet) until recently, and apart from Ganguly, Dasgupta and Mohanty he hasn't blooded any east zone player.
It's too late for Bose, lucky or not. I don't see him being a first choice fast bowler with the current attack (Sharma,Khan,Pathan,Singh,Srisanth - 5 bowlers and we usually play 2 in India, 3 abroad). The current crop bowl in the 135-145 range - (except Pathan, who occasionally touches that but is more in the 130-135 range). Except on pitches that provide assistance, Bose will be cannon fodder. That severely restricts his use in Australia, say. Also wickets against domestic sides does not translate to wickets at international level. ANy selector would pick a 28 yr old only if they couldnt find a good young player. Tuff luck for Bose...
Also to blame is the state board, Cricket Association of Bengal (CAB). The current state of affairs of Bengal cricket is in shambles. Bengal is being relegated from the elite division. The president of CAB thought his best job is to be present at Melbourne and felicitate Saurav rather than present at the Eden Gardens and motivate the team. Well, nothing is against Saurav, but as an administrator one will always fallback to the place where he has emerged.
Ever since the present CAB president has joined office, he has done nothing good for the Bengal cricket.
I feel really bad for Ranadeb Bose. He's being consistent for season after season, but never managed to break-thru to the national squad. Who is going to take the blame? I won't be surprised, if we loose players like Ranadeb to ICL or to other state.
RE:Also to blame is the state board, CAB
by S Narain on Feb 07, 2008 11:31 AM
I feel there U R not aware how BCCI works, It has Ranjit Biswal from east Zone who is a sycophant of BCCI. BCCI is conglomeration of where power is weilded by a cartel of few individuals comprising of greedy politicians,businessman & sycophants.. In this lobby only shrewed businessman & cunning politician can succeed ,not present CAB president is not like Dalmiya who was having all the guile of shrewed & corrupt politician. Bongs are hardly possessing the hold neither in BCCI nor in UPA politics where they are supporting congress led govt.
RE:Also to blame is the state board, CAB
by akash on Feb 26, 2008 02:55 AM
i agree with you.ranjib biswal is a worthless man.he has never played test cricket but is a selector of test player.it is just like that a class 10th pass person has become examiner of the master degree students.everywhere it is like this.all the officials of the BCCI has not even played gilli-danda but they are selecting and managing indian teams.indian team is just going by individual brriliance and not by team efforts.BCCI will never allow the players to unite and to play collectively for india forgetting every lobby,state,region,religion.because if players unite they may revolt against these clowns of BCCI and may throw them in the arabian sea.
There are about 50 bowlers in India who are as good as Bose. Can all of them play for India? He was pathetic in the 3 day games in England last summer. Even though I am a Bengali, I dont want to support this cause just for regionalism. Let the best players represent the country. Full stop.
RE:Who cares?
by anirban mitra on Feb 07, 2008 11:48 AM
Really? Was he really pathetic in the three day game in England last summer? But the stats show a 5 wicket haul. Well just think what would have happened if he were not pathetic. 10 wickets?!!!
The claim to the team is being made by the highest wicket taker in the year. Where does region come in here?
RE:Who cares?
by akash on Feb 26, 2008 03:01 AM
dear friend,will you please name at least thirty of them who has taken as many as wickets as bose just to increase our knowledge.i also personally believe that bose has no place right now in the indian team.but fifty bowlers like him in india....isnt it a bit exaggerated.
RE:Who cares?
by Ankur Sharma on Feb 07, 2008 11:12 AM
Arunendu, if everybody in the country could have the same spirit as you, India would become a truly successful nation in all aspects.
RE:Who cares?
by Saurav on Feb 07, 2008 12:51 PM
I think Mr. Arunendu is Bong residing in UK who occasionally comes to India and eat IILISH MAACH and posts some comments without having proper stats. Ture BONGLISH.
