Anurag your message "In that circunstances Sehwag can't score big runs consistently. His record shows India only won 2 tests in all his hundreds. Because most of come on flat wickets. While Dravid scores all kind of conditions consistently."
Of the 65 matches Sehwag played:
Won 24 Matches where his average is 52.27 with 3 centuries & 10 fifties at a stirke rate of 80.28
Drawn 24 matches (means his knocks should have saved from losses) where he averages 64.25 with 9 century & 4 fifties at a strike rate of 77.53
Was it not enough to prove that of the 15 centuries 12 century had been for the teams success. And both the averages prove that Sehwag had played important role for India to be reckoned as a good team.
Re: @Anurag
by Anurag Rathore on Dec 19, 2008 12:40 PM
You are ignoring my point. I am not questioning his ability in test. My point is in conditions like England(seaming wickets with grass, air is blowing) he can't score big runs consistently. He will fail 6-7 times out of 10. Thats why I showed you that in his all big innings most of the time test ended in a draw.
50-50 for both teams. Good recovery after early blow. Plus point is India escaped wickets till 21 overs with new bowl betwwen fired spell by seamers while Dravid is out of form.
Re: First session......
by Abhijit on Dec 19, 2008 12:06 PM
Not able to watch the match live. But from Cricinfo it seem that Rahul still not at his usual best. And Gambhir as usual make Panesar to try for other methods to take wickets. He uses his feet well and this Panesar dont have that pace variation and flighted delivery I think. (Watche last test) Anyway by electing to bat we escaped from the chase. Though we chased successfully last test, that never happen everytime.
Re: Re: First session......
by Anurag Rathore on Dec 19, 2008 12:12 PM
Positive is we survived the intial overs with new bowl. Gambhir plays very well against spinnner. Dravid has played 53 balls, he has done much more than expectation because he is totally out of form. He came to crease in difficult situation.
Re: Re: Re: First session......
by Abhijit on Dec 19, 2008 12:20 PM
Right. Survived the initial overs. Now should have to build good partnerships. Like useful partnership Aussies had against SA upto down the order.
Re: Re: Re: Re: First session......
by Abhijit on Dec 19, 2008 12:20 PM
Right. Survived the initial overs. Now should have to build good partnerships. Like useful partnership Aussies had against SA upto down the order.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: First session......
by Anurag Rathore on Dec 19, 2008 12:30 PM
I hope they will put big score on the board. Most importantly they should convert their good start in big total.
Condition of Mohali is so much like English condition. Bowl is moving, air is blowing, there is grass on the pitch. So we couldn't expect from Sehwag a big inning on first day in that circumstances.
Re: Sehwag......
by Abhijit on Dec 19, 2008 11:28 AM
Didnt this Sehwag scored centuries in first innings in this Mohali test ground?
His statistics at Mohali:
5 Matches, 9 Innings, 552 runs at an average of 69. 2 Centuries (both on First innings) & 2 50s. Not bad. One single failure doesnt show that he is not fit to play in wickets like this. He had good & poor knocks in all venues. Not good at a particular wicket and not bad at a particular wicket.
Re: Re: Re: Sehwag......
by Abhijit on Dec 19, 2008 11:59 AM
Your comments highlight that not much can be expected from poor Sehwag in these seaming and swinging wickets like England. When given the facts at Mohali for Sehwag you are asking for comparison between Dravid & Sehwag in England. Sehwag had only 6 innings in 2002 in England in Four test. 106 & 84 in first two tests there, both first innings score. 106 on first day. So your message that Sehwag not good at this type of wicket is not correct. He is the same at all venues, sometime good, sometime bad. Not easy to predict for his style of batting. So "we couldn't expect from Sehwag a big inning on first day in that circumstances" dont have any logic.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Sehwag......
by Anurag Rathore on Dec 19, 2008 12:03 PM
Yes, I only want to say we can more rely on Dravid in conditions like this. In that circumstances Sehwag will get out early 7-8 times out of 10 while Dravid 3-4 times out of 10.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sehwag......
by Abhijit on Dec 19, 2008 12:11 PM
No not that you are trying to say. You are of the opinion that Sehwag cant play in these conditions which is not correct. He had good innings in Mohali and averaged better than Dravid. That itself prove that you are wrong. Sehwag can play anywhere. No player had scored consistently fifties and centuries in every match. Had that been then every one should have had Average above 80. But all the current players do have around 50-60 per innings average.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sehwag......
by Anurag Rathore on Dec 19, 2008 12:13 PM
Corrected: "So we couldn't expect from Sehwag a big inning on first day in that circumstances more often".
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sehwag......
by Abhijit on Dec 19, 2008 12:17 PM
Correct must be "We couldn't expect from any player (not Sehwag) a big innings on every match
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sehwag......
by Anurag Rathore on Dec 19, 2008 12:28 PM
In that circunstances Sehwag can't score big runs consistently. His record shows India only won 2 tests in all his hundreds. Because most of come on flat wickets. While Dravid scores all kind of conditions consistently.
Re: Rahul Dravid...
by Abhijit on Dec 19, 2008 11:34 AM
Dravid at Mohali: 8 innings for 520 runs at an average of 57.77. Only one century (Second innings) & 3 Fifties. Not as good as Sehwags I think.
Re: Re: Rahul Dravid...
by Anurag Rathore on Dec 19, 2008 11:36 AM
Check both players record in England. I mentioned above message that today condition is so much like England.
Re: Re: Re: Rahul Dravid...
by Abhijit on Dec 19, 2008 11:48 AM
In England Dravid played 15 innings Sehwag just 6 innings Dravid averages 65 with 3 centuries and 4 fifty. Sehwag just 39 with 1 century & 1 fifty.
But not easy to judge from just 6 innings. A first innings match saving century is there in swing & seam condition too.
Your bot comments do mention that much cant be expected from Sehwag on these conditions. Which is not correct from the above statistics.
Dravid a technically correct and proved player every where.
Sehwag too is there with his own unique style and now so confident that he is having decent scores in all matches.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Rahul Dravid...
by Anurag Rathore on Dec 19, 2008 12:05 PM
Corrected: "So we couldn't expect from Sehwag a big inning on first day in that circumstances more often".
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Rahul Dravid...
by Abhijit on Dec 19, 2008 12:15 PM
Correct must be "We couldn't expect from any player (not Sehwag) a big innings on every match."
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Rahul Dravid...
by Anurag Rathore on Dec 19, 2008 12:20 PM
In that circunstances Sehwag can't score big runs consistently. His record shows India only won 2 tests in all his hundreds. Because most of come on flat wickets. While Dravid scores all kind of conditions consistently.
