hai all, Very happy to here that laxman found place in top 20.iam sure he will be in top 10 after aus series.Recently aus announced prise money for laxman wicket.
RE:LAXMAN
by Vilas Naik on Nov 29, 2007 02:36 PM
Do not compare Laxman with Azarudin though he is a good cricketer. Laxman do not have matchfixing quality. If you are true Hyderabadi then please do not speak of Azar.
RE:LAXMAN
by Vilas Naik on Nov 29, 2007 02:17 PM
Vilas Naik Mapusa
It is very nice to see Laxman back in action. Hope he carries his form through out the series. I will be very happy to see him performing against Mighty Austrilian. It will be a very good contest betwee tha bat and the ball. All the best Laxman.
Laxman is a match winner and a team player. Ranking is nothing for him.It is a pity that these nincompoops didn't allow him to play one-dayers. We would have won more no. of matches.
The rankings are but cold statistics and do not reveal the true worth of a player.
In the Delhi test, India were for all practical purposes down and out at 93-5, chasing Pakistan's modest first innings total of 231. Laxman was batting in the typical fashion of the "class" batsmen of India (which includes him besides the other famed three of Sachin, Dravid and Sourav) - which means in a laborious way.
The advent of Dhoni with a different attitude - positive and winning - saw not just Dhoni making runs in a positive manner, team's cause of making runs rather than sheer occupation of crease was fulfilled and most important of all, nudged and goaded Laxman (see the first part of his name - LAX) himself into scoring runs.
See what happened after the departure of Dhoni -Laxman never bothered to farm the strike and protect the tailenders, accelerate the scoring etc. in team's interests. He played naively percentage game of staying not out thereby surreptitiously increasing his average.
This being the stark fact, the ranking reveals a totally distorted picture of Laxman being world no.20 while Dhoni is at a lowly 41.
If the ranking takes into account attitude, utility and team's interests, then Dhoni should be placed in the top 10 among world batsmen, in all three forms of cricket.
Foot Note: Don't barge to discuss the irrelevant aspect of Dhoni's technique and blah blah in response to my post. My posts are for those who know English, cricket and logic.
RE:Ranking is cold statistics - doesn't reveal more
by Pakeer Rao on Nov 29, 2007 01:20 PM
Well it seems You yourself does'nt know Cricket, OR do not have logic or know English. Because of Laxman, India either won matches or atleast was able to save the match several times in the recent past. He is a true match winner. I am not against Dhoni. But you cannot compare the class of Laxman with that of Dhoni's ordinary batting.
RE:Ranking is cold statistics - doesn't reveal more
by srinivas on Nov 29, 2007 01:08 PM
only dravid & kumble are 100% committed to the game... remaing just play for stardum.. this include sachin, ganguly...the main fellows in this catagory are dhoni and yuvraj... im not questioning their ability to score. if sachin dived in the first innings he could hav escaped from runout.. this question always arises in my mind... saching is ready to get runout but not ready to dive to save his wicket. one need not tell more about ganguly's atitude and commitment, the way he is behaving now on the field reveals it..
i have not watched first innings... dont shout at laxman unnecessarily like selector... despite having scored match saving score 76, he is still the target for many ofcourse as usual.
RE:Ranking is cold statistics - doesn't reveal more
by Rajnarain Gouda on Nov 29, 2007 01:23 PM
As I already said, my posts are for those who know English, cricket and logic.
Some of your remarks do make sense with me. Please don't preach to me not to shout at Laxman like a selector etc. - I have every right to record MY views in this discussion board, as a pure cricket fan.
In any case, for your information, it is all about what and how we look at things. On the one hand you say Sachin should have dived to save his wicket. On the other you are trying to shield Laxman for having made 76. The larger aspect is that while he was playing that knock (first innings) he could never be sure of how many runs Pak will make in the second innings, what will be the pitch condition (especially would it deteriorate giving scope to Kaneria to pick up easy wickets) etc. Hence LOGIC DEMANDED OF HIM, being a senior and specialist batsman, to rotate the strike with tail enders by taking singles off the penultimate or last ball of each over and not take singles of the first ball to save his own wicket and expose tailenders.
He saw this practically being done by Dhoni in the second innings of first test in England just a few weeks back. If that was not education for him, he saw this being done by a less fancied and experiened Misbah in the Pakistan first innings in the very same test only a day or two ago. Still this socalled classy player REFUSES to learn and improve.
I have no personal grudge against any player. We fans want to see and enjoy good cricket!
RE:Ranking is cold statistics - doesn't reveal more
by srinivas on Nov 29, 2007 03:00 PM
i can say sachin is worst batsman and people who know english can understand why.... sachin always takes lot of balls when he enters 95... then is he really thinking of team?? can u justify that?
RE:Ranking is cold statistics - doesn't reveal more
by Terimaakikirikiri on Nov 29, 2007 01:42 PM
If you are really so knowledgeable about cricket as you claim, you surely would not have held such views about Laxman in the first place. Laxman had believed in the batting capability of Zaheer Khan, that's all was his fault, if it is a fault! As far as the remaining two, Harbhajan and Munaaf, are concerned he simply did not get an opportunity to shield them as he was hopelessly stranded at the other end while those two guys commited harakiri! Now tell me how is Laxman to be blamed for this?
RE:Ranking is cold statistics - doesn't reveal more
by Terimaakikirikiri on Nov 29, 2007 01:21 PM
Hello! You remind me of late Rajnarain - the clown of Janata Party in the '70s.
RE:RE:Ranking is cold statistics - doesn't reveal more
by Rajnarain Gouda on Nov 29, 2007 01:27 PM
Pakeer Rao - please read my reply to Srinivas to have better enlightenment as to my capability with English, cricket and logic.
Terimaakikirikiri - Just like yours, Rajnarain is also not my original name - it is a pseudo name assigned to tickle readers like you. The irony is that a proper reading of my comments will evidence that I am not a clown but a wiseman!
RE:Ranking is cold statistics - doesn't reveal more
by Terimaakikirikiri on Nov 29, 2007 01:31 PM
you deserve a sound kick in your behind for your comments. Simply can't understand why do these good-for-nothing-nincompoops comment on cricket and cricketers?
RE:Ranking is cold statistics - doesn't reveal more
by cricfreak on Dec 01, 2007 01:03 AM
I will never question Laxman's attitude and his class...and his matchwinning abilities. HE IS AN AWESOME player. I for one reason won't understand why he is constantly under the threat of being dropped. WHAT a shame. why do some people always talk trash about Laxman even if he does better than anyone else in the team. I understand that he should have rotated the strike and shielded the tail enders better...but there is no way two batsmen can be compared let alone Laxman to Dhoni. "Gouda" i know you are entitled to your opinion...now listen to mine...stfu about Laxman. you dont deserve to talk trash about a class player like Laxman...why dont you talk about other batsmen who have not performed in that test? Australians put more price on VVS's wicket than Tendu's does that ring a bell with you you "great person" or "enlightened one" should i say? Give a player a sense of security only then can anyone bring out the best in them. Peace.
A Kerala-based enginner V Jayadevan has devised an exclusive programme, known as the VJD system, for Twenty20 matches based on data from the World Twenty20 Championships and this will be used for the inagural ICL tournament. The effort of 44-year-old Yayadevan was hailed by India's greatest batsman Sunil Gavaskar, and the BCCI have also decided to use it during the current season.
Jayadevan, an engineer from Thrissur, has devised a method that claims to be "superior" to the existing Duckworth-Lewis method.
Jayadevan's method is based on a mathematical model of the natural development of an innings through its various stages of settling down, making use of field restrictions, mid stages of stabilising, acceleration towards the end and the final 'slog' overs.
Based on the general scoring pattern and research of past matches, a 'normal' statistical curve has been developed. Regression analysis was carried out using 'spread sheet' software and a cubical polynomial equation was used for determining the scoring pattern.
Putting all this into use, Jayadevan has generated a 'target curve'. He also provides a 'target table' where the revised target can be computed depending on the percentage of total overs that were completed for different percentages of wickets. To make the entire process easy, a computer programme has been devised.
Jayadevan started to work on the VJD System in 1998 and gave it a proper shape in 2001. The D/L method has led
A Kerala-based enginner V Jayadevan has devised an exclusive programme, known as the VJD system, for Twenty20 matches based on data from the World Twenty20 Championships and this will be used for the inagural ICL tournament. The effort of 44-year-old Yayadevan was hailed by India's greatest batsman Sunil Gavaskar, and the BCCI have also decided to use it during the current season.
Jayadevan, an engineer from Thrissur, has devised a method that claims to be "superior" to the existing Duckworth-Lewis method.
Jayadevan's method is based on a mathematical model of the natural development of an innings through its various stages of settling down, making use of field restrictions, mid stages of stabilising, acceleration towards the end and the final 'slog' overs.
Based on the general scoring pattern and research of past matches, a 'normal' statistical curve has been developed. Regression analysis was carried out using 'spread sheet' software and a cubical polynomial equation was used for determining the scoring pattern.
Putting all this into use, Jayadevan has generated a 'target curve'. He also provides a 'target table' where the revised target can be computed depending on the percentage of total overs that were completed for different percentages of wickets. To make the entire process easy, a computer programme has been devised.
Jayadevan started to work on the VJD System in 1998 and gave it a proper shape in 2001. The D/L method has led the pack for
Laxman with his class and ability to perform at his best in trying conditions is one of the Top 5 Test batsmen along with Dravid, Ponting, Tendulkar and Kallis.Peitersen is good too but has been performing only for the past 2 years so needs time to be judged over a longer period. Laxman's record against Australia is perhaps a true indicator of his class.
He has the lazy elegance so whether he is on 0 or 50 or 100, he will look elegant and unhurried. Also whether he is batting with the score at 400-5 or 200-6, he will bat in the same unhurried and elegant way.
In the Delhi Test, runs were not easy to score so whats the harm in taking singles. Anyway, the Tail enders have to have the ability to at least defend. The days of Bedi and Chandrsekhar are over who HAD to be protected. Well played Laxman, you were the best Batsman in the Delhi Test.
RE:Laxman is a TOP 5 Test Batsman
by cricfreak on Dec 01, 2007 01:11 AM
I cannot agree with you more Sikander. Laxman is right up there in the top 5. I'd like to add that these tailender should respect the senior at the other end and try to defend good balls, and take a single if agreed on the bad ones. They should add some price to their wickets and more importantly stay there with the senior player and add invaluable runs to the total. That's what these tailenders need to do.....not just bowl better but dont give their wicket for a penny.
Laxman must play every ODI and tests against australia....he has always played very well against Australia and the aussies fear him as much as they fear dravid or tendulkar.. maybe he was selfish in the 1st innings towards the end...but he always has a sword by his throat of getting kicked out...he needs to be selfish right for his own place??
RE:Laxman should play all matches against aussies
by Sweet Mango on Nov 29, 2007 01:27 PM
In ODI there is no space for Rahul Dravis & u want Laxman in ODI What rubbish u r talking about i didn't understand your opinion
RE:Laxman should play all matches against aussies
by Sai Prakash on Nov 29, 2007 12:14 PM
Laxman is an old fashioned GEM in the modern, crazy world of ODIs and T20s.Lets not spoil the lustre of the Gem. Dinesh Karthik suffered and his ODI bad form was transferred into his recent Test performance.
Lets not spoil a good test player again. In fact, I feel even Tendulkar, Zaheer, Sreesanth, RP Singh and Ganguly should be kept fresh ONLY for Tests.
Even though Laxman's record against Aussies is the best among Indian batsmen, lets not be tempted to play him in the ODIs.
