If Dravid would have come earlier on the scene we might have liked him.I mean before Ganguly era,but surely not after we have seen Ganguly. Most indians thought Captain just needs to go to the toss and then come to the presentation ceremony thats it.Rest if the 10 players give good performence and thats y we win or loose a cricket game. I dont blame them,they can only believe in what they can see. While Imran was captain of the pakistan team that won the world cup and then Ranatunga in 1996.We were still wondering this is due to the great show by the 10 guys in their team...nothing to do with captaincy.But we knew that was not right that rule some how only applied to India.Still we wondered how come 10 average people and one great leader made the difference...if he was only going out for the toss and then getting the speech ready at end of every game. But we only want to believe in what applies to India. Then came Ganguly....things changed Indian team started to look a bit more aggresive.Yuvraj,Zaheer Bhajji,Sehwag,Pathan,Nehra,Dhoni,gelled in so well with the existing seniors ...it seems like they were always part of this team. Pathan even in his 1st test match was miles ahead of what i have seen him perform under Dravid. India became a strong unit.Aussies respected Indian team this time not just VVS laxman and Sachin.Ganguly with his team earned this respect like Michael Vaughan did after beating australia in 2005 ashes.The problem Dravid faces is people now understan
RE:Place the khel ratna in the right spot - under Dravid
by India on Jun 03, 2007 01:49 PM
Really? Was India a winning team when Dravid took over. Wins against who? Zimbabwe and Bangla? Are you dreaming? Get real. Whatever few wins India may have had, Dravid was responsible for those with his getting all those runs along with Laxman and Sehwag. Dravid may be a weak captain but then the selectors appointed him. So blame them.
RE:Place the khel ratna in the right spot - under Dravid
by Sarath Chandra on Jun 03, 2007 05:44 PM
I did want to say something on these lines. But I did not want to get into this whole ganguly vs dravid fiasco. I feel at the end of the day, dravid's win percentage in one-dayers is as good as ganguly's (to boot ganguly had more than 20% of his matches against zim, ban, and other minnows, while dravid had barely 4-5 matches against such teams). Ganguly has definitely a better record in tests. Also I think comparing Ganguly's 5 year record with Dravid's barely 1.5 year record is not on. When people list Ganguly's achievements and the number of youngsters he introduced, it is spread over 5 years. Dravid's achievements are spread only over 1.5 years. I think we have to give him a longer run, before each of us finally build our opinion on where he stands as a captain.
RE:Place the khel ratna in the right spot - under Dravid
by Arun Mehra on Jun 04, 2007 03:51 PM
You got ur logic wrong, its very easy to have a good record for a short period but its much more difficult to maintain it for a period of 5.5 years. Obviously in 5.5 years u will play more minnows than in 1.5 years. Also ur memory seems to be weak when it comes to Gangulys team victory against Aussies, England, Pakistan, world cup finals etc. And Khel Ratna to Dravid on a year when he as a captain has taken the team down to No 7 position? Its really shameful. Just because he has been a docile good boy for the board , they want to reward him, firstly by retaining him as a captain and now a Khel Ratna, what a joke.
RE:Place the khel ratna in the right spot - under Dravid
by Sarath Chandra on Jun 04, 2007 10:01 PM
Arun, I will request you to attack my opinion and facts, but not me personally ("memory weak" statement). Anyway, that part is your call.
I think when dravid took over the one day side was ranked no.7. It was at the same position when he left. In the intermediate period it increased upto 4 sometimes.
About difficulty and ease of maintaining records, over 5 years the record is a true reflection of anybody's abilities, but 1.5 years may not be. Besides 4 matches out over 70 does not even correspond to 10%. So even percentage wise Dravid did not get too many shots at minnows (compared to over 20% of Ganguly's). I don't mind continuing any discussion as long as there is not too much personal insults going around.
RE:Place the khel ratna in the right spot - under Dravid
by Arun Mehra on Jun 05, 2007 10:47 AM
Firstly i am sorry if i have hurt u personally, however i feel statements like "u seem to have a weak memory" are mere phrases which basically means in daily language "why u dont recall certain facts".These phrases i thought we use in regular and friendly arguments, any ways i repect ur sentiment. And if u feel taking the team once or twice to 4th position is a great achievement then how come u dont feel for a person who took the team to 3rd and second position in One dayers and 2nd in test (first time in the history)as an achievement. Dravids shot at minnows may be less, but let me remind u that amongst his wins was England on home soil(without their top 6 players),and lost a test match on the home soil to the same team. Victory in Pakistan-Pakistan did not have shoaib Akhtar, Afridi and Inzamam not in most of the matches.So if u want to pick up stats of minnows , theres lots which can be picked from Dravids victory also. Basically my opinion is yes Dravid deserves a Khel Ratna may be a year or two later when he retires, but on a year when the team has touched rock bottom and has lost in the first round in the world cup, its completely not called for.
RE:RE:Place the khel ratna in the right spot - under Dravid
by Ifear paceman on Jun 05, 2007 06:26 PM
and mr mehra akhtar earlier tried to bowl flat out with help of cocaine to sachin. in the process got his ankle hair line crack a stress fracture.
It is always best of our batting resource had got burnt of best of pak bowling resource in the process got injured.
have you seen opposition pace bowlers bowling flat out to any batsman other than Sachin And Dravid?
they are our main resources and their success and failure in this affects our chances of win.
RE:Place the khel ratna in the right spot - under Dravid
by Ifear paceman on Jun 05, 2007 06:20 PM
then mr mehra please read stats of one off match which ganguly won in australia.
much fancied win according to ganguly fans.
who performed who were bowlers? was not australia without main bowlers? did we win series?
australia had rested main players after series was decided and we won the match. did we not win two matches and lost earlier in australia under somebody elses captaincy.
did Zim and bangla desh inclusion favoured ganguly stats as a captain otherwise it is same as any other indian captain.
then first ever series against south africa we won matches but have gone to find out why donald pollock like even did not bowl their half of quota?
have you thought that why a team will not use its best resources if they want to win?
Was there third dimension to what we call success .....
we go by media reports mostly directed for gullible fans. written by fellows who are more interested in gossips than cricketing facts.
RE:Place the khel ratna in the right spot - under Dravid
by Arun Mehra on Jun 07, 2007 06:16 PM
To Ifear Paceman, who is ashamed of his real name operates in disguise. Australia,has such a bench strength, that even without their top 6 players will be world beaters.And out of the two bowlers who were not playing one of them was Shane Warne, hope u are aware of his record against India.And please stop harping about zimbabwe and Bangladesh, every cricketing nation plays with them and so does India. And by the way will u now erase Dravids recent wins Bangladesh, if not , then just shut up.
what has he acheived to deserve Khel ratna award? his captaincy is the worst captaincy i have ever seen in indian cricket. india has never been kicked out by a rookie cricket team out of a world cup. his acheivement is only that. hah probably khel ratna is awarded only to bunch of loosers?
RE:no way
by Ifear paceman on Jun 03, 2007 09:39 AM
Dear Plastic ball cricket fan,
The 1,500 metres is a premier middle distance track event.The world record performance by Hicham El Guerrouj of Morocco 3 min 26 seconds in 1998 at Rome.
Thus, speed is necessary, and it seems that the more aerobic conditioning, the better.
Try to run this distance in 7 minutes to know what sports is.
Otherwise there is world record of eating 5 kg Bagar Baigan and Rice in 2 minutes flat.
Bagar Baigan is an example you can try Idli, Wada Pav, Bhel Puri, Pakoda, Samosa, Pav Bhaji, Dhokla, Cham Cham, Sandesh, Khakara, Steaks, Burger, Pizza etc if you like
This seems to be better option for you. Try that....
RE:no way
by Ifear paceman on Jun 05, 2007 08:41 AM
ohh... Sorry dear Mehra so 1500 metres is impossible for you it seems.Then In modern 800 m races, Running at full speed for the entire distance is impossible, Then womens record for 800 metre running is 1:53.28 by Jarmila Kratochv?v?Czechoslovakia 26th July 1983 Munich.
I give intelligent fellow like you 3 minutes 46 seconds to beat world record woman. This will give you Idea about what sports is.
Otherwise there is world record of eating 5 kg Oily parotha and Curds in 2 minutes flat.This seems to be better option for you. Try that....
Rahul Dravid deserves to be given 'bat ratna' by instituting such an award, if possible. By getting the tean India fragmented/divided as never before, he has done a great dis-service to the 'khel' cricket. As captain of team India, Dravid is responsible for the team's slide from runners up in WC 2003 to non-qualifiers in WC 2007. But when do we Indian care for performance, whether for rewarding or punishing? We live by cliques and cliques only.
RE:Khel Ratna to Dravid
by Ifear paceman on Jun 03, 2007 09:48 AM
Dear Plastic ball cricket fan,
The 1,500 metres is a premier middle distance track event.The world record performance by Hicham El Guerrouj of Morocco 3 min 26 seconds in 1998 at Rome.
Thus, speed is necessary, and it seems that the more aerobic conditioning, the better.
Try to run this distance in 7 minutes to know what sports is.
Otherwise there is world record of eating 5 kg Bagar Baigan and Rice in 2 minutes flat.
Bagar Baigan is an example you can try Idli, Wada Pav, Bhel Puri, Pakoda, Samosa, Pav Bhaji, Dhokla, Cham Cham, Sandesh, Khakara, Steaks, Burger, Pizza etc if you like
This seems to be better option for you. Try that....
RE:Khel Ratna to Dravid
by Ifear paceman on Jun 05, 2007 08:42 AM
ohh... Sorry dear Mehra so 1500 metres is impossible for you it seems.Then In modern 800 m races, Running at full speed for the entire distance is impossible, Then womens record for 800 metre running is 1:53.28 by Jarmila Kratochv?v?Czechoslovakia 26th July 1983 Munich.
I give intelligent fellow like you 3 minutes 46 seconds to beat world record woman. This will give you Idea about what sports is.
Otherwise there is world record of eating 5 kg Oily Samosa in 2 minutes flat.This seems to be better option for you. Try that....
Any way if you fail I won't call you Fatty Potato.
