Y is Gautam Ghambir not playing in this practice match. He played very well in last match. He should have been given the opportunity to play in this match too. If Jaffer fails in this match too...then what??? Well Vengsakar and Co. have obviously decided, even if Jaffer goes for duck. He will be our opener in the first test.....
We seem so hell bent on kicking individuals. Do individuals ever win th eworld cup? It has never happened. Even the Mexico Football World cup was not won by Maradona alone you needed Buruchhaga to finish that goal. And teh cricket world cup has always been won by all round performance. Even when India won it was not individual brilliance. Individual brilliance makes a small difference but finally it is the team that wins it. Gilchrist was brilliant but the bowlers had to deliver. There is no doubt about the greatness of the skills of our players Sachin, Dravid and Ganguly. But the rest eight havent been good enough to make India the best in the world. Put the benchmark of victories above all, but does that make these people smaller? Never. It is plain jealousy speaking when we deride their achievements. The problems in Indian cricket is not these players but the others who cant support well enough. the early exit last world cup was totally the misjudgement of the mismanagement of our team prior to the world cup. Chappel was doing a lot of nonsense. Blogs here had warned of the lower levels India had dropped but nobody listened. As always we were going to test our fate. As always we were going to look for scapegoats in individuals. WE were going to be at our favourite hobby - celebrity bashing. Who asks you to adore and worship mortals? Its your own fault. Dont waste time. No bashing willl get you back what you didnt get - The world cup. We need better players, a better team.
RE:Borde speaks
by Adnan Bhatker on Jul 13, 2007 01:33 PM
well said craig. and also what about Mr vengsarkar even his is paid holiday. This Chokers are just njoying and they have nothing to do with the sprit of country.
dravid hoooo haaaa ayyaaa re ayya. Dravid is wall tufer then tufest. It was is and will be dificulty on breaks this wall. He is the back bon of India batman lining. He fell ever bodies fell like pack of cars. Please saport Dravid and prey to God that he becoming fiter and pleys in the first taste match.
RE:DRAVID IS DRAVID ALWAYS A HEAD
by Jarnail singh on Jul 14, 2007 07:42 PM
bhagwat...badla angrejon se lena ha lo. par is tarah se unki language ki maa.........karke mat lo.
RE:DRAVID IS DRAVID ALWAYS A HEAD
by promodkumar on Jul 13, 2007 11:31 AM
yesterday i seen your message and thought that is yr real english, but after seeing yr message here it clearly shows that you are purposly writing like this just to grab people's attention.
RE:DRAVID IS DRAVID ALWAYS A HEAD
by sweetguy on Jul 13, 2007 12:20 PM
I too agree. Sameer is deliberately writing in bad English. This is a cheap gimmick on his part to grab attention and also to get response to his mail from other readers. Sameer stop this stint and behave like a gentleman.
Wait my friend you forgot to mention Dravid's achievements:-
1.Championstrophy at home....first round we went home. 2.World Cup 2007 ....its always good to get home early...first round we went home. 3.We have already farewelled Sehwag, Pathan,Bhajji,Kaif. 4.Pathan was the great find...and only Dravid knows how to loose a talent like that. 5.Recently Yuvraj lost his captiancy to Dhoni(I guess you think Dravid didnt have any say in that or he was never consulted on that ...think again.)
Dravid was not the only reason for Ganguly's success there were alot things...and i guess thats called getting best out of everyone. Sachin Yuvraj Sehwag Pathan Bhajji Nehra Zaheer.
Indian bowlers were performing....now u get it why we get humiliated under Dravid.Ganguly got the best performance out of everyone.
thats y Dravid-The captain....is the "HOLE"in the INDIAN WALL. (You will see this poster alot when India tours australia)
RE:Sack Dravid
by luciano lopes on Jul 14, 2007 05:58 PM
I guess all of us are obsessed with India winning international matches.Does anyone watch domestic cricket I guess no one does.When Domestic cricket becomes very competetive then there will be better players better options. I think here we're running out of options.For example in football in Europe there are far lesser international matches but the domestic football itself is so big that people from all other nations want to play in the domestic league.If we created a league like that in our country like the Spanish football league or English premiere league then we will get the creme da la creme to play for our country.Beating other nations should not be the objective raising the level of our game should be the objective.The Aussies are constantly raising the level of their game and their domestic cricket is also good,if one player is not available theres always another to replace him.We don't need to have a genius captain we need to have 11 skilled players doing their job consistently.
RE:Sack Dravid
by Indian on Jul 13, 2007 11:18 AM
dravid is one of the best captain ever produced:
1. Contineously won 19 odi while chasing 2. Won the west indies serious after 30 years 3. Won test match in SA , who created the history 4. Won series agst SA (one of the strong odi team) in ireland 5. All sucuss of ganguly behind always dravid.....ETC...
RE:RE:Sack Dravid
by varun on Jul 13, 2007 11:24 AM
1. Contineously won 19 odi while chasing...at home playing a second string england,west indeis and sri lanka in rebuilding phase. 2.Losing One day series in west indies...4-1...the only other team that lost one day series in west indes was bangladesh and zimbawe. 3.Champions trophy at home 4.World cup 2007.... 5.Only Indian captain who managed first round exit from the world cup
STATS WONT LEAVE DRAVID .......AFTER THE HUMILIATION OF WORLD CUP AND CHAMPIONSTRPHY
RE:Sack Dravid
by kishor kumar on Jul 13, 2007 12:06 PM
varun shut u r mouth, ur use less guy u dont know anything of cricket, u r really shameless guy. we are not arguing about his captainship, we are saying he is best batsman in test india ever produced & it was true.
Dravids achivements as batsman - 1)233 vs england in 2003 england Tour 2) 181 vs Australia 3)223 vs Australia 4) 270 vs Australia 5)144 vs west indies 2003 west indies tour
I agree that dravid is a bad captain but in current indian team no one deserved to be captian otherathan dravid, that i accept him as captain & we should support him.
RE:Sack Dravid
by jay pillai on Jul 14, 2007 12:27 PM
PLEASE DONT ARGUE THAT DRAVID STANDS ANYWHERE NEAR OUR ALL TIME GREATS SUCH AS SACHIN , KAPIL AND SUNIL GAVASKAR - DRAVID IS MORE OR LESS VENGSARKAR TYPE. HE IS A GREAT BATSMAN ----- BUT NEVER AMONG THE GREATEST--- BECAUSE TO BE THE GREATEST YOU NEED TO BE A DON BRADMAN- A VIV RICHARD OR SACHIN TENDULKAR------- I AM FROM BANGALORE BUT FACT IS A FACT
RE:Sack Dravid
by sweetguy on Jul 13, 2007 02:07 PM
Varun, why r u mad over Dravid maan? He is the only player on whom India depends now to survive. Tendulkar, Gangulli are
RE:RE:Sack Dravid
by Sincere IndianFan on Jul 13, 2007 12:32 PM
Shut your ass moron... just look at the overall stats of Rahul the captain... There have been umpteen articles on several websites listing Rahul's achievements as captain... Which is as good as that Ganguly (though that Ganguly played uncountable no. of matches against the minnows), FYI, India had lost a ODI to the weakest Bangladeshi side under that Ganguly too... And Sachin as captain, we all know his achievement - lol... ha ha ha... Poor Varun, fit only to a gilli-danda commentator, ha ha ha...
RE:RE:RE:Sack Dravid
by SRIVATSAN RAMANUJAM on Jul 13, 2007 08:32 PM
As I already said, you have a very weird way of (mis) understanding and (mis) interpreting data and facts!! No wonder you prove your stupidity
RE:Sack Dravid
by varun on Jul 13, 2007 11:09 AM
1.Strong captain and mediocre team.-Ranatunga,Imran Khan...thats how they won the world cup. 2.1999 World cup- semi final against south africa.steve waugh's brilliant field placement in the last over took them over the line. 3.2003 & 2007- Strong team and strong captain. 4.2007 world cup-India was a strong team under a weak captain.If you think you put 11 brilliant players in a team and you will win..think again.Make Dravid the captain they will loose. Before the world cup australia lost 2 matches against new zealand same series after scoring over 300...the difference ponting was not the captain.
5.Most of you have access to Youtube....check out Imran khan's interview.How important is the body language of a captain? Your own team and the other team looks at the captain to judge the situation. Dravid never looks comfortable.....even against bangladesh.He gives away the advantage.U can look at Dravid's face and say the team is in trouble.
RE:Sack Dravid
by SRIVATSAN RAMANUJAM on Jul 13, 2007 08:30 PM
Bah!! I havent seen a more stupid soul on earth!! As per the above idiot's arguement, a player only performs because of his captain and not because of his capability!! If thats the case, we all agree that Azhar was no good, then how come most of Sachin's gr8 innings were under Azhar!! A captain is only as good as his team!! And in all matches/tournaments that India have gone out in the first round, dravid hardly failed in batting. The team lost because the other batsman let the team down!!! Do you mean to say that gr8 players such as Sachin, Dravid, Yuvaraja failed to play because Dravid was the captain!! Was Dravid interupting them from playing their strokes? Its really pathetic to blame one person for a team's loss!! If you look at it Sachin was the most pathetic Indian captain in the whole of Indian Cricketing history, but no one has ever pointed out that it was hist fault!! We all know that during Sachin tenure, there wasnt a single player who contributed towards the team!!! And thats not sachin's fault but the fault of individual players!! Before pointing out at the captain, look at the team!!!
We keep saying that Ganguly is the best captain india has ever produced,i am not sure if that's true but one thing is dead true and that's,he was blessed with the best test batsman India has ever produced,the legend,the immortal,Rahul Dravid.Without "The Wall" Ganguly would have been just another Captain.Little research on Dravid's performance in all test wins under Ganguly
So here's Dravid's contribution in all test wins under Ganguly.
1.v Bangladesh in Dhaka 28,41* 2.v zimbabwe in Delhi 200*,70* 3.v zimbabwe in Nagpur 162 4.v Australia in Kolkata 25,180 5.v Australia in Chennai 81,4 6.v Zimbabwe in Bulawayo 44 7.v Sri Lanka in Kandy 15,75 8.n England in Chandigarh 86 9.v zimbabwe in Nagpur 65 10.v zimbabwe in Delhi 1,6 11.v WI in Trinidad 67,36 12.v England in Leeds 148 13.v WI in Mumbai 100* 14.v WI in Chennai 11,6* 15.v Australia in Adelaide 233,72* 16.v Pakistan in Pindi 270 17.v South Africa in Kolkata 80,47* 18.v Bangladesh in Dhaka 0 19.V Bangladesh in Chittagong 160 20.v Pakistan in Kolkata 110,135 21.v zimbabwe in Bulawayo 77 22.v zimbabwe in Harare 98
RE:Dravid Baiters and Ganugly Fans, Look at this and Ponder
by Priya Pillai on Jul 13, 2007 10:47 AM
kOOOL...MAN How well Ganguly use his resources! thanks for your info man...
RE:Dravid Baiters and Ganugly Fans, Look at this and Ponder
by Vishwanath CB on Jul 13, 2007 11:05 AM
Dude Hindustani,
Kewl info man, even cricinfo wud be proud of this db u've collected. There's no doubt ganguly's reign was a case of "rite time at the rite place/phase", he didnt achieve anything, except than backing of his fav players just to have control over the team rather than any cosistency in selection policy or some such criketing crap. Figures dont lie n Dravid's contribution in the annals of Indian cricket history is great, come wotever these fools who doesn't know an iota of cricketing knowledge
RE:Dravid Baiters and Ganugly Fans, Look at this and Ponder
by varun on Jul 13, 2007 11:05 AM
1.Strong captain and mediocre team.-Ranatunga,Imran Khan...thats how they won the world cup. 2.1999 World cup- semi final against south africa.steve waugh's brilliant field placement in the last over took them over the line. 3.2003 & 2007- Strong team and strong captain. 4.2007 world cup-India was a strong team under a weak captain.If you think you put 11 brilliant players in a team and you will win..think again.Make Dravid the captain they will loose. Before the world cup australia lost 2 matches against new zealand same series after scoring over 300...the difference ponting was not the captain.
5.Most of you have access to Youtube....check out Imran khan's interview.How important is the body language of a captain? Your own team and the other team looks at the captain to judge the situation. Dravid never looks comfortable.....even against bangladesh.He gives away the advantage.U can look at Dravid's face and say the team is in trouble.
RE:Dravid Baiters and Ganugly Fans, Look at this and Ponder
by SRIVATSAN RAMANUJAM on Jul 13, 2007 08:29 PM
Dude Varun,
2007 - Strong team under weak captain?? where the hell did u decipher that???? In the 2007, the only player to have contributed was Dravid and Sehwag and no one else?? what did the rest of the team score??? How can you claim the team to be strong!! You have the most weird way of reasoning and almost always get ur analysis wrong!!! If you analysis is true, then Bangladesh shud have faired very poorly in 2007 worldcup!! Their captain was useless, but it was the rest of the team that played well!!! Dont shoot urself on ur foot by picking bits and pieces of info from jumbled places and misunderstanding them!!!
RE:Dravid Baiters and Ganugly Fans, Look at this and Ponder
by prasad kanchinadam on Jul 13, 2007 10:58 AM
My dear friend one thing we tend to forget soon is without Ganguly dravid would not have existed in one day( remember it was his idea to make Dravid keep the wickets in world cup 2003)
RE:Dravid Baiters and Ganugly Fans, Look at this and Ponder
by Adnan Bhatker on Jul 13, 2007 01:41 PM
Hey, read your post, really a time waster. I think everyone knows that Dravid is one of the best batsman in world cricket today. but honestly tell me dont you think he is not good enough to lead. no matter he score runs in his captaincy. But from captain many other things are also required like selection of bowlers, to surprise the opposition, field placement, etc. what I feel he had acquired knowledge from cricketing books which was based on cricket of 80's and 90's. Today the time has changed thanks to Australian power. So i Think many of reader would agree with Dravid is good as batsman but very poor in Captaincy.
RE:Dravid Baiters and Ganugly Fans, Look at this and Ponder
by SRIVATSAN RAMANUJAM on Jul 13, 2007 10:41 AM
Bah!! I havent seen a more stupid soul on earth!! As per the above idiot's arguement, a player only performs because of his captain and not because of his capability!! If thats the case, we all agree that Azhar was no good, then how come most of Sachin's gr8 innings were under Azhar!! A captain is only as good as his team!! And in all matches/tournaments that India have gone out in the first round, dravid hardly failed in batting. The team lost because the other batsman let the team down!!! Do you mean to say that gr8 players such as Sachin, Dravid, Yuvaraja failed to play because Dravid was the captain!! Was Dravid interupting them from playing their strokes? Its really pathetic to blame one person for a team's loss!! If you look at it Sachin was the most pathetic Indian captain in the whole of Indian Cricketing history, but no one has ever pointed out that it was hist fault!! We all know that during Sachin tenure, there wasnt a single player who contributed towards the team!!! And thats not sachin's fault but the fault of individual players!! Before pointing out at the captain, look at the team!!!
RE:Dravid Baiters and Ganugly Fans, Look at this and Ponder
by Bhala Hindustani on Jul 13, 2007 10:39 AM
My Friend Nanda, I am reflecting Raw Statistics which are un-questionable and can not be denied! I have not mentioned others names at all. Your list is extemely ordinary which people have been debating all round! Just tell me, How can Dravid be blamed for the failures of Individuals Pathans, Bajjis, Dhonis and Sewags ? You mean to say that the are small Nursery Kids? Come on Mr Nanda, Grow up! They have to take the responsibility for their failures exactly like the credit they accept when they succeed.
RE:Dravid Baiters and Ganugly Fans, Look at this and Ponder
by debapriya sarker on Jul 13, 2007 11:11 AM
What do u want to say Dravid was solely responsible for India's success under Ganguly while the other players just sat there doing nothing, u grow up man, cricket is a team game no one player is responsible for the success or failure of a team, its that Dravid cannot motivate the team members to perform, and by continously changing roles of a player, he has ruined some good players who are confused about their roles in the team
RE:RE:Dravid Baiters and Ganugly Fans, Look at this and Ponder
by SRIVATSAN RAMANUJAM on Jul 13, 2007 08:36 PM
When you are an International player, why shud anyone require motivation from external sources to play well?? Do you mean to say gr8 players like Sachin, Ganguly, Yuvaraj, Sehwag, Zaheer, Kumble etc require motivation from the captain to play well!! Thats totally absurd!! WHy shud such players require motivation from the anyoen else to play well??? We all know that most of these gr8 players collectively failed during the world cup, so we cant point a finger at Dravid for the failure!! You need to grow up!!
Dravid will recovery fastingly no dout it is. He is india team capton. He is becomes match fitting soon. India team needing wall badestly because other batmans are not still goodest form it is. India needing the trimurtis to fire and hitter at the bat nad bombooze the british bolers.
RE:David will recovery.
by David Johnson on Jul 13, 2007 10:13 AM
Remember the dew factor - It is slippery when wet. The ball will skid and will be difficult to play. I think India should go in with 11 batsmen!!
Dont be surprised if by the end of this tour there are more explayers touring england,rather then coaching it seems they are on a vacation!!!!what a waste of money.!!!!
