By this series win, Team India has proved that it doesnt need a coach at all !!! So why spend millions of dollars to get a coach? I think our senior players r senior enough to guide the yougsters...Dats wat Dravid means in the statement above. What Say Guys ????
RE:Why Sachin Always?
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Jul 06, 2007 01:12 PM
why they dont do it with lara and pointing. There is no such hype when those guys plays.
when sachin plays well and put 100 on board, all people, NEWs Papers, NEWs channels puts a great heaidng sayin Sachin replied to his critics, blah blah blah.
Even SAchin is reacting so emotionlayy htse days that I played 18 years, I know wt I am doing blah blah. if you r not bothered to any criticism, why do you want to react to those statements?
This is all emotional drama and have seen happended to every cricketer right from gavaskar, kapil, srinath in their ages when peole talk about their retirement.
Tendulkar is a player playing for his individual performance I am sorry to say this statement as he has proved that he does not play in crunch situations and playing for his individual records
RE:Tendulkar should be kicked off for his individual performance
by Dinesh K on Jul 06, 2007 04:35 PM
Mr. Karpe, Its not ur fault if u r ugly. Am sure its not sachin's fault either. Who is responsible?
RE:Tendulkar should be kicked off for his individual performance
by vikrant malhotra on Jul 06, 2007 10:45 AM
Mr. Karpe , please post ur profile here, how many matches in guly cricket matches u have played, u seems a gilly danda player, when u dnt know ABCD of cricket plz stop comment on Tendulkar...ok
RE:Tendulkar should be kicked off for his individual performance
by pratik jain on Jul 06, 2007 10:06 AM
Mr. Karpe.. get ur facts right... u sound like a loser in life... please go get a life...
RE:indian team should win their initial matches
by shreedhar karpe on Jul 05, 2007 06:45 PM
our team will not win because dont make any high expectations from this team as our team always believes in individual performance and remember that our team loses under pressure and there is no chance for our team as our team win their matches against SA as SA team was not in full strength so win against SA was fluke win our fielding is not good so our chance in England is doubtable
RE:indian team should win their initial matches
by sabteam on Jul 05, 2007 08:08 PM
tell me what is the difference between SA full team and played team in Ireland?
only Pollock and Smith is missing. In INdian team most of the players r ill. give credit to their performance. first 2 odi's agarkar is not there, 1st ODI dhoni is not there.. and sachin, dravid, karthik r ill.
If SA cant with without Pollock and Smith then i rate SA is just above to Bangladesh or Zimbambwe team.
RE:Explain this statement !
by Rahul nanda on Jul 05, 2007 12:41 PM
When Ganguly was captain-Dravid was not considered a one day batsman.Dravid was not good enough to be part of Indian one day team.He was only considered good for test matches.As his scoring rate was really slow. At that time Ganguly stood by Dravid by increasing his utility in the team by making him wicket keeper batsman.Thats hos Dravid managed to stay in the one day side.
RE:Explain this statement !
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Jul 05, 2007 04:55 PM
Another reason we seelcted DRavid as a wicket keeper is we decided to go with a combination of 7 batsman and 4 bowlers for 2 years. Dont why people come out with these theories like he is in team only because of this and that.
Remember that this wont happen in longterm, even somebody backed and supported somebody to be in the team, if they dont perform consistently, they will be out of the team soon. So this recomendation becomes dont hold good for long.
RE:Explain this statement !
by Amit Hingle on Jul 06, 2007 04:20 PM
Bulls Eye. Ganguly wanted to play 7 batsman and 4 bowlers. In this case, given the composition of 7 batsman in Indian team, he would have to drop Dravid if he had to select 6 batsman and 1 keeper. Hence Dravid was asked to keep. Yes Dravid was highest scorer in 1999 WC but what is his strike rate? How many matches was he highest scorer? Was his individual score, highest in any high scoring match? No! That's the reason. In 6 batsman, Sachin, Sehwag and Ganguly will be 3. And then we needed finishers and big hitters which Dravid was not. Not saying that Dravid should support Ganguly as Ganguly thought that Dravid will be a good player so he supported him (else why not Sadagoppan Ramesh?) but still this is the fact
RE:Explain this statement !
by Prabu Girirajan on Jul 05, 2007 05:14 PM
Hey Upadrasta , Well said. I have been reading this message board for some time now. All I find is statement like
"Ganguly backed him when he was not considered suitable to one day internationals"
This just doesn't make any sense to me. I guess people post such messages just because they are naive of the fact.
Anyways good to know that someone is really aware of the fact
RE:Explain this statement !
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Jul 05, 2007 05:38 PM
This recomendation business dont hold good for long in any sport or in any where. sooner or later people will realise it and will throw the candidates out.
Dravid playing 10 years of cricket tells the wrold that he is in the team for his ability , not becasue somebody helped him or backed him.
RE:Explain this statement !
by Prabu Girirajan on Jul 05, 2007 01:01 PM
Thanks for the explanation. But your explanation isn't correct!. Ganguly was the captain from the year 2000. If you remember world cup's history, Rahul was the top scorer in the 1999 edition of the game.
Rahul re-invented his game just before that world cup i.e. during the tour of NZ. At that time Md Azharuddin was the Indian Captain not Sourav.
The only reason why Rahul was asked to keep wickets is because of the fact that we didn't have a bowling allrounder. So Sourav decided to have a batting allrounder. Even in this case we couldn't find any one who could bat very well and bowl decently. It was then decided to have a wicket keeping allrounder in the mould of Gilly.
So please don't use this explanation ever.
if you require any further clarification about this check cricinfo's stats Cheers PG
RE:Explain this statement !
by hemant chahar on Jul 05, 2007 01:27 PM
hahahahaha People have selective memories..... Dravid was not considered a good one day batsman.....
if u dont then check with someone who remembers....
RE:RE:Explain this statement !
by Prabu Girirajan on Jul 05, 2007 01:30 PM
Hemath, I was expecting you to respond first neeways you did respond. No doubt Dravid wasn't condsidered fit for ODI's but I am not contesting that. All I am contesting is your statement that "Ganguly backed him when he was not considered suitable to one day internationals"
The team has been playing ODI's so why were the Tests preceding the ODI's on the England wing of the tour? Doesn't that make sense to bunch up the ODI's together?
Dravid --worst captain a pathetic looser. When BCCI declared dhoni as vice captain..y Dravid did not support Yuvraj. I think he was too scared he will loose captaincy to Yuvraj sooner then later.
Dravid and chappel made Ganguly's return very difficult and tried to block in every possible way. Dravid also totaly forgot how Ganguly backed him when he was not considered suitable to one day internationals. Dravid made tendulkar bat lower down the order against tendulkar's wish to open the innings...the result we all know. Tendulkar a big success in 2003 and a big flop in 2007.
As long as we have Dravid as captain India has only one way to go........................DOWN
RE:Dravid- Big Fake
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Jul 05, 2007 05:00 PM
two things here.
1) Nobody blocked Ganguly to return back to the team. The reasons for ganguly going out of the team are purely based on cricketing terms being unable to play well. So he has been thrown out of the team to give chances Youngsters. When Youngsters failed to perform well, selectors went back to ganguly purely based on expereince and he came back and performed well.
2) Its not dravid who made sachin to bat at Lower order. Its all started during ganguly's captaincy. With Sehwags' emergence into the cricketing world, the team mgmt took a deciison to bring sehawag opening and asked sachin to bat in the middle order to give stability and to guide people like yuvi and kaif there. Get the facts right.
Guys, get the facts right. Dont crticise Dravid on the sake of just critisism.
RE:Dravid- Big Fake
by Arun Mehra on Jul 06, 2007 11:44 AM
Ganguly was dropped when his last innings in Zimbabwe was a 100(minnows, slow innings accepted). Then he scored 39 and 40 odd under very difficult conditions in Pakistan when nobody else could handle the conditions and one of these scores was a the second highest score in the team.Most important u need to see how a person is batting , is he middling the ball and playing confidently or just hanging around. I have seen those matches, he was playing one of the best cricket in his career ,but he squandered chance for a long innings by trying a pull which he mistimed. So wether u are looking at quality or number of runs scored he should not have been dropped. It was because of Chappel and Dravids insistence that it was done. Also after south africa one day series both chappel and dravid were against his being brought back to the team but since their position was weak due to the pathetic performace and Vengsarkar insisted that he was taken back.
RE:Dravid- Big Fake
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Jul 06, 2007 01:08 PM
Scoring a century against zim doesnt mean that you are playing wel. we all know his track record as a batsmen in the test matches when he was a captain. he was really struggling. When ganguly asked greg wt else I need to do to be in the team, greg advised him be out of the team for 2 or 3 matches, practice well and you will know wts your problem is. Greg also gave a sincere and straightforward answer to ganguly that you dont deserve a place now in the team as you are not in a good shape to play and give opportunitties to the Youngsters. Thats what happended.
Even if he is dropped for wrong reasons, whats the hell dravid si doing there in all this? You always want to criticise DRavid no matter what he does and no matter what he didnt do anything.
RE:Dravid- Big Fake
by Arun Mehra on Jul 06, 2007 05:19 PM
Very funny question, What does a captain do in team selection. He only takes care of field placements and bowling changes? Hope you are aware that Captain is definitely present for any team selection meeting, and if captain didnot have a say then against the whole selection committee Dravid would not succeeded to retain sehwaag in the team after his repeated failures. Just for your info.
RE:Dravid- Big Fake
by hemant chahar on Jul 05, 2007 07:30 AM
by Sreenath Reddy on Jul 04, 2007 10:54 AM True.. I agree with what you wrote. Point is not who is good batsman? Dravid is definitely better batsman in the current team. BUt definitely not hte good captain.
When Ganguly find a place in team, I think he is the best person to lead the team. If he donot have place, yes you can make Dravid or somebody else as captian.
This is all BCCI politics. Cricket in India is loosing the charm that Kapil Devils brought with the world cup
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RE:DRAVID- BIG FAKE by Suman Bhat on Jul 04, 2007 11:04 AM Thats right..ajay jadeja has said this thing so many time.....if Ganguly is good enough to find a place in the team he should be the Captain... We should get the best person to lead. Dravid knows this very well ..dravid is too insecure to come out in open and give up captaincy.
If not Ganguly then atleast Yuvraj so we are grooming someone for the future while Sachin,Ganguly and Dravid...support Yuvraj.
But Dravid is not good enough for present scenario neither for the future.
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RE:DRAVID- BIG FAKE by indira on Jul 04, 2007 12:18 PM You are right.Ganguly was a shrewd and bold captain . He could also motivate youngsters like Yuvraj, Harbhajanand Kaif. Under his captaincy they gave their best. Who could forget the performance of these three in the Natwest Tro
RE:Dravid- Big Fake
by Josyula Murthy on Jul 05, 2007 12:13 PM
These all are thought wrongly. Ganguly is the worst captain to lead teh team. As a captain he never scores even a half century and is unfit to lead the Indian side. why are u forgetting that he has literally let the team motto down during 2007 world cup. He played politics by plying cheap games by groupism and spoiled the world cup.
Under Dravid, Tendulkar and Yuvraj performed verywell and won the series in teh recent Belfast... Dravid is the best captain that India has as of now.
RE:RE:Dravid- Big Fake
by neel on Jul 05, 2007 01:36 PM
ya Dravid is the best captain, best example was the last world cup and champions trophy. Ganguly was the worst best example was world cup and 2 champions trophy which India won under his tenure
i dont trust our team because the indian team can turn a winning match into a losing match they can turn the match around in few minutes still if india plays good cricket in england they have a chance of beating the oponent but please kick saurav out of the ODI TEAM BUT KEEP HIM IN THE TEST TEAM DRAVED PLAYS FASTER THAN (THE SITTING DUCK) GANGULY
I don't understand why the Test and ODI teams don't travel together? It makes no sense to keep them in India and bring them in later. BCCI end ups saving a few measly bucks...but loses the advantage of getting players used to the conditions.
RE:India's tour of England
by sameer sachdev on Jul 05, 2007 06:07 AM
BCCI IS ONLY AFTER MONEY AND MONEY AND MONEY THEY ONLY WANT MONEY THEY ARE CRAZY ABOUT MONEY AND THEY ONLY AND BY ONLY WANTS MONEY WHO AGREES WITH ME
