I am a great lover of this beautiful game and this will be good for cricket if we write about cricket and crickerers only But it really pintch when some dirty people come out with sick mentality and un-necessary include religion and regional feeling which are not at all desired for the healthiness of the game
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by on Feb 26, 2007 11:52 PM
yaaar i m also crazy abt him ...y wasnt it me y y y y y y y y..waise i m happy for u pal...but y y y y y yy not me y y y y ..think i m turning into a psychopath...my only therapy "steve waugh"..
I appreciate Steve's work in India and for that matter any selfless work done by people including Christians.
Retards like the one below makes me reply for their stupid comments.
@SolomonGeorge
>>he truth is that the cristian community is the most well educated and cleanest community in india.>is the RSS or sangh doin anything worthy other than talk and then kill, burn and destroy govt property?
Steve is more than a cricketer man, living in Australia I watched his matches in the stadium. He has tried to help millions of poor people in India who still doesn't have the basic things.
In the sydney mosque I try to attend prayers and make donations everyweek.
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by on Feb 26, 2007 11:56 PM
yeah right pal thats y he was involved in match fixing ..dropped earlier that steve in both odi an tests ..yeah i clearly see how ,mark's way better ..gud job anupam ji ..hats off to u ..i dare not guess what ur iq would b ..
Yes , Steve is a humanitarian, but there are numerous reports on the web about how Steve is really only interested in helping people if they convert to Christianity. I call that opportunism
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by Tom Joe on Feb 22, 2007 01:28 PM
Hi Shankar, Please take a look at what some people with allegiance to the VHP/RSS are doing in USA & in India and then analyze ur thoughts. This is a free country, I believe.
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by Prashanth Reddy on Feb 22, 2007 11:18 AM
Its not whether someone does charity or not, and its definitely not the amount. First and foremost is the intention. If that is wrong, then whatever u do is wrong. If u want to help someone do it with pure heart and without any intentions behind it.
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by Indian on Feb 22, 2007 08:57 AM
Guys, Please understand Shankar's concern instead of poo-pooing it. If you dont want to face the truth of how badly the conversions are made in India you will be shocked. I recently met an white sales girl in Macy's. Her father is hardcore christian pastor who is living in coorg district in karnataka and converting poor villagers in some remote village. When I asked this girl how much money her father is making she said its five times of what he makes in western world. She also visited her father and stayed with him for 3 months. These people are considered poor and uneducated in america but when they goto india and stay in a village our poor indian villagers worship them like gods just becuase of their color and ultimately convert. I think this is cheap technique of using people's ignorance and poverty for religios conversion purposes. sadly our secular government keeps mum on these activities.
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by dino khan on Feb 23, 2007 09:44 PM
The girl told you her father makes three times the money he makes in India but did she tell you she send it to her in the states for her to splurge and spend now don't say yes cause if you implying he is making this a business to live a better life then she wouldn't be working as a sales girl ,before making remarks about the works of missionaries in India please look at what you can do instead of condemning what they are doing ,do you think its easy for them to live in villages in India after living in America and do u think 3 times the money is a good enough reason for then to live in a village? get Ur facts right before talking its people like u who give Indians a bad name with all Ur primitive talks.And oh u call ur self an Indian what are u doing in the states,gone to live a better life ah ,why dont u come and work in the villages if u think there is a lot of money involved in cheating people.
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by Akshay Iyer on Feb 22, 2007 09:40 AM
Please do not put everyone in the same category. There are thousands of people who come here only to help other people. If you sleep hungry and do not have a roof over your head i am sure you will not think twice before converting if those guyz give them food and shelter. It is our problem that we cannot take care of the poor in our country. Also it those idiots who think that by giving food and converting someone they are increasing the no. of christians and serving god better. But the poor man at least gets food to eat. Parties that preach Hindutva only riot and burn people alive.
As for wasting space and pasting Steve Waughs pic each one to their own opinion. Dear Shankar Cricinfo has a lot of good cricket articles. Good job for you donations each year man.
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by Shankar Aiyer on Feb 22, 2007 10:20 AM
Navin - It is not the amount but the intention that counts. Universe/Existence/God does not see how much you gave. 1 rupee with pure intention is better than millions donated with an agenda
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by Prashanth Reddy on Feb 22, 2007 11:33 AM
I couldn't have agreed more with you. I would challenge the so called missionaries to show the same rate of converion among educated lot of India. Trying to lure poor and uneducated people is so cheap. Its a crime to take undue advantage of their unfortunate situation. Help, but help without any agenda. Orelse u r doing a business.
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by solomon george on Feb 23, 2007 09:11 AM
in my opinion ,india will never bcome a developed country for milleniums to come.that is bcoz of people like u who r many and also end up producing many like u.i have worked with these charitable orgs and the reason that people convert is bcoz they see that some stranger is trying to help them without trying to get anything back and this makes them realize that there is something special about them that makes them do that.they also realize that VHP and RSS will not give them a decent life as well as salvation even if they r lying in a gutter.mother teresa looked after lepers without trying to make it a bussiness. people saw her good intentions and realized that a higher power is making her do that and they also wanted that higher power. so the answer was christianity.
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by Shankar Aiyer on Feb 24, 2007 12:16 AM
Solomon, I can only wish you see the reality instead of reading the textbooks that you have been given. One of my own family members converted because they gave him a job and asked him to convert other people. So you are saying Christianity gives "salvation" . Please read history sir. Bloodiest wars in the name of religion has been fought by Christianity. Inquisition, Crusades, Roman empire wars, Colonization , destroying civilizations.
Black people were held in slavery, butchered and slaugtered by Christianity. 'Yes, hinduism had untouchability", but nobody was killed because they were 'untouchable"
Christianity has single handedly destroyed every native religion/custom in Africa and in the NE parts of India
A simple google search for Goa's Inquisition will tell you all the horrors committed.
Any person who reads history , will not say what you said. So I will take it that you said this out of ignorance.
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by ashish on Feb 24, 2007 01:32 AM
You call my blog a personal attack ,and you are all gung ho about defaming people like Steve Waugh and the rest ,you even boast of your donations but honestly people who give never talk and u a hot air balloon for sure,why don't you visit such homes before making comments and if your family member converted when promised a job its just shows how weak minded he or she was and as u say u give so much for donations and u cudnt give Ur own family member a job at least the christian organizations gave him/her one be thankful else he would be another hot air balloon like u.All talks.
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by Shankar Aiyer on Feb 24, 2007 04:13 AM
U just validated my comments again! very childish in attacking the person! What do I get by defaming Steve Waugh? If you do your research you will know , just like we do. Yes, I wish I wasnt 9 yrs old, when he converted! Gee , if people like you helped it would have been different
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by solomon george on Feb 24, 2007 04:47 AM
shankar, when i mean cristianity, i dont mean the pope or people with cristian names who have commited horrible deeds.i mean a simple person person who loves all and hates none.that is what the bible preaches.anybody involved in the crusades,the conquisitions,and slavery , annexations cannot call themselves cristians.for that matter,anybody,converting just for material gain cannot b a true cristian.but finally their conscience will get the better of them.
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by Shankar Aiyer on Feb 24, 2007 04:53 AM
Solomon If that is what you meant, then I 100% agree with you. A simple person who loves all and hates none is an universal citizen. I completely agree with u on that. The same goes to Hindus/Muslims. If you cannot love or accept another person as it is then the religion is a big detriment.
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by ashish on Feb 24, 2007 01:17 PM
Great shankar ur post has been removed after an abuse alert so I guess u shud see how good u doin with the blogs ,get real man ,u all talk and are so inferior ,talking about a man like Steve waugh.
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by tirumalapuram gopal on Feb 24, 2007 11:35 AM
hi friends i really feel pity when i see people do all soughts of stupid things to establish the supremacy of the religion they follow like killing,conversions etc. i don't get the logic behind plurality of gods,if there were more than one gods i think first they will fight it out among themselves for the supremacy and not leave this issue for us to decide.I think we like 4 blind men and the elephant story.we r looking at same thing in different angles and assuming it to be different,and what we persui is supreem.religion is not destination its only a path,and the destination is same for all. venu
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by ashish on Feb 24, 2007 01:23 PM
Also almighty Shankar instead of concentrating on so much negativity and critisizing actual humanitarians who are fighting poverty in your country try to be more proactive by actually taking steps in helping your own nation. You are contradicting yourself by stating donations have to come with no strings attached. Then why are you announcing your own act of charity? Are you expecting praise in return? And please try to think what Steve Waugh or other missionaries are gaining by converting indians to Christianity. As you said poor villagers are converting to Christianity by receiving food and a roof over their head. what is Steve Waugh or anyone else for that matter achieving by converting some poor indians? Do you really think it is easy for foreigners to live in India? Even a poor white man has a luxurious life compared to what he will encounter in India, especially in an Indian village. Steve Waugh might have donated millions of rupees to Tsunami victims and in the process converted them to Christianity. Has he saved many lives or not? what difference does it make to you or to your life what religion they practice. Try to open your eyes and look at things from an optimistic angle. Foreigners are fighting poverty and illiteracy in your country and instead of appreciating it and encouraging your own people to take similar steps you are wasting your time critisizing the likes of Steve Waugh. Would you rather see your fellow indians die of hunger and porverty as long as they don't convert? Also id u so anti Christian with all your theories of how Chrristians were killers and stuff then why are so many Indians from all religiions migrating to christian countries why are there demands for christian schools and colleges ,with ur theories of what happened centuries ago ,I guess we all have to stop believing in Christian good will organisations.
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by Abed Jani on Feb 22, 2007 09:42 AM
Never heard that before. Even if so, then why not Sachin etc. who are much much more richer are not helping poor and needy people? The main reason people in our contries get converted, because of their poverty or social outcasting system (dalits). It is really nice to know that you donate $12,000 each year, but how many Indians do that? Specially the riches in India are very poor donators. Instead actually the poor people in our contries are more helpful. One can only hear how lavishly our celebreties are living and avoiding tax.
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by Shankar Aiyer on Feb 22, 2007 10:12 AM
I believe any charity should come with no strings attached, otherwise it is no different than running a business. "You give me your conversion and I will provide food". Let us consider a situation. You are very hungry and keep asking for food everywhere. One restaurent says "If you wash my dishes for the next one month, I will provide food for free". will anyone appreciate the restuarent's charity.Yes, the restaurent gave you a job and you worked and they gave you food. It is not altruism, but just business. Do any of you think your companies are doing a great service by providing you money for your living? I do understand the point that Akshay has that people convert for food and money and it is our collective failure as a society to take care of our fellow brethren.
We Indians are great individually but have failed collectively to think about people around us. Abed- I agree that we are poor donators. that is because we have always been taught "Each man for his own" and very few care about others. Also how do you know Sachin is doing/not doing anything? That said, it doesnt matter if it is the Hindus/Muslims/Christians. Anyone giving something expecting something in return is nothing more than a businessman. In steve's case, he is selling religion.
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by Charu Leininger on Feb 22, 2007 02:58 PM
Shankar who? claims donating 12000 USD every year..good and then boasting of it ...what sort of donation is that? In Steve's Chairty home Udayan (headed by Shamlu Dudeja)in Barrackpore near Calcutta...all the inmates are Hindus. Please get ur records straight before making remarks about a legend on and off the field.
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by Shankar Aiyer on Feb 22, 2007 09:45 PM
Charu My response about the donation was directed to just Kamdev, since he asked. BTW I just did some extra research on Udayan. Udayan is supported by both the Jimmy Carter foundation [ which is primarily responsible for building Christian townships ] and the Evangelist association. Steve Waugh, wished to set up a 100-400 acre ' Christian township ' in Mumbai. Well known as a rabid evangelist, Waugh also donated millions of rupees for the conversion of tsunami victims. Chief Minister Vilasrao Deshmukh also appointed State Industry secretary as nodal agency for the proposal, possibly in the light of instructions from Sonia Gandhi.
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by ashish on Feb 23, 2007 09:32 PM
Shankar u need help really ,why don't u visit Christian missionaries and see the work u do ,so u trying to say mother Theresa was a ploy to convert people t Christianity ,u cud not do a fraction of what she did for the lepers ,u talk about giving donations and then u use abusive language in ur post ,guys like u are a sham and if you cant appreciate the good work people do stop criticizing at least and now lets not hear about all Ur big generous donations because every one on the blog knows Ur big hot air balloon talks.
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by Shankar Aiyer on Feb 24, 2007 12:06 AM
Your personal attacks, only shows that you are unable to respond to facts and hence target the person who says it. In my opinion it is very childish.
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by raj arora on Feb 24, 2007 01:36 AM
Shankar ,so may people writing against you ,you seem like a heartless old frustrated gossiper who is a failure in life that's why Steve Waugh is blessed ,look at you ,you sound frustrated ,lol and ur big claims of donations ,stop lying to ur self if not to the world.
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by Shankar Aiyer on Feb 24, 2007 04:17 AM
Again! People who dont know the facts and want to believe what they want to believe resort to attacking people personally. If people took 10 minutes to research, then everyone will know the facts!.
As for me,I dont care what you think. If one person among thousands get to know the facts, that is fine. Everyone here is nameless, what do I care if people hate me or love me?
