In oneday cricket. With fielding restrictions in place and with a confidence that behind them 9 more people to bat and with a new ball, by slashing hard most of the times runs will come at brisk pace and with less fuss. Where as in the middle overs that too after couple of wickets loosing keeping the pace up and scoring the runs and keeping the momentum going is tough task. Thats why players like Ganguly, Sehvag, Jayasurya, Gilchrist and all more successfull in opening position that middle order batsman. in 1 out of 100 cases only openors will carry the bat through the innings, but it is the middle order batsman who has to play in more tough, pressureful conditions and has to finish the matches.
Even openors fails to score the runs there is always possibility that Middle order can save the match where as if middle order of any team fails, every body knows what will be the result.
Thats why every team prefers to put their best batsman in middle order who most of the times ends up as match finishers
And may be this one reason team management wants player like Sachin to take more responsibility and to bat in the middle order
Dravid's career has been a saga of hard work and determination. World cup discards like Laxman, Kaif and even Sehwag can learn valuable lessons from Dravid's career. Dravid was discarded often. But his solution: WORK HARDER. I do hope talented players like Laxman and Kaif work harder and harder. I am sure they will make it into Team India shortly. Another lesson to all cricket players in the world: BE CONSISTENT AND DONT BASK ON OLD GLORY. Dravid is the best thing to happen to India. he may not be a lion or tiger. But he is simply the Best Indian cricketer in our times.
RE:Hard work and determination
by amit sharma on Feb 16, 2007 11:15 AM
Mr karkik u really hav close n sincere eye on criket, If we look sincerely then we find , sachinn in 259 innings made 10K Ganguli in 263 Innings scored 10K Lara in 278 innings dravid in 287 so if we look closely we find all of them r equal , some1 may be striker, but lacks consistency another is solid lacks striking game but ultimate their contributions unvaluabale. some1 get more opportunity so make excess score , some1 get lesser so less score, so we need to compare in totality only. for me all of them r great, all of them need to learn something from another .
RE:Dravid, Tortoise or Rabit
by Amar Kumar on Feb 15, 2007 10:22 PM
You remember the Hare and Tortoise story right ?? The Tortoise wins the battle !! Ganguly is only brawn..no brain. He is surving because Bengalis make big noise. Dravid doesnt need certificate. Nor did have to get people to take out morchas and do thod-phod to get into the team. Cricket is a gentlemans game and not a goonda-gardi game as some Bangu bhais think. Kolkata was a National shame during 1996 World Cup. Wake up Bangus and learn to support Indian cricket team.
RE:Dravid, Tortoise or Rabit
by NagaSridhar P on Feb 16, 2007 09:38 AM
In what way Saurav is faster than Sachin? Reaching 10000 runs, scoring 22 hundreds in strike rate or something else?? Sachin has taken less matches less innings lesser balls to do all these things. Sachins strike rate is in mid 80s' where as Ganguly's strike rate is mid 70s'. Now you tell me who is faster??
RE:check this...
by NagaSridhar P on Feb 15, 2007 05:16 PM
LION will never lead the group og goats, it only eats and depends on the goats for its survival
RE:GANGULY IS BETTER
by NagaSridhar P on Feb 15, 2007 04:57 PM
Dravid has taken lesser innings than Ganguly to reach the 10000 runs. Check the statistics man.Being an openor Ganguly has batted in more innings than Dravid eventhough no. of matches are less.Dravid being a middle order batsman and taking less no of innings than Ganguly to reach the same land mark shows his ability and stature.
RE:RE:GANGULY IS BETTER
by varun sadhu on Feb 15, 2007 06:46 PM
i don kno how good a follower are u of a cricketer.. but its always difficult to score as an opener than a middle order batsman...and if u have been followin properly dravid is a good middle order batsmen but not a good opener i.e not a good player of new ball..were as ganguly has been openin all his life and also delevired the goods...
RE:RE:RE:GANGULY IS BETTER
by amit sharma on Feb 16, 2007 11:36 AM
Mr varun sandhu , i think u really dont know cricket, in one day, openers make runs easily n in test middle order,
RE:RE:RE:GANGULY IS BETTER
by NagaSridhar P on Feb 16, 2007 09:52 AM
I don't think so especially in oneday cricket. With fielding restrictions in place and with no a confidence that behind them 9 more people to bat and with a new ball by slashing hard most of the times runs will come at brisk pace and with less fuss. Where as in the middle overs that too after couple of wickets loosing keeping the pace up and scoring the runs and keeping the momentum going is tough task. Thats why players like Ganguly, Sehvag, Jayasurya, Gilchrist and all more successfull in opening position that middle order batsman. in 1 out of 100 cases only openors will carry the bat through the innings, but it is the middle order batsman who has to play in more tough, pressureful conditions and has to finish the matches.
Even openors fails to score the runs there is always possibility that Middle order can save the match where as if middle order of any team fails, every body knows what will be the result.
Thats why every team prefers to put their best batsman in middle order who most of the times ends up as match finishers
RE:RE:GANGULY IS BETTER
by Subramanian Padmanaban on Feb 15, 2007 04:58 PM
can u show me the statistics before u make blunt statements. Do u know how many times ganguly's innings have led to India's victory or how many times Ganguly and Dravid made centuries in India or Abroad
RE:RE:RE:GANGULY IS BETTER
by NagaSridhar P on Feb 15, 2007 05:06 PM
If you have the statistics can you post over here. And more over we cann't expect the batsman playing at 1/2 position and batsman playing at position from 3-7 will get same no of opputunities to score a hundred. Scoring a century should not only be the criteria for assessing the performance.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:GANGULY IS BETTER
by NagaSridhar P on Feb 16, 2007 09:36 AM
Mr. Nagarajan, I have seen your reply. Nice statistics and nice way to answer critics (Mathematicians)
RE:GANGULY IS BETTER
by amit sharma on Feb 16, 2007 11:34 AM
Mr sai pranith , i think u r either fool r
Sachin- in 259 innings ganguli in 263 lara in 278 dravid in 287 n try to look at wht position who batted long, as far captaincy is concerned, 1) ganguli 21( including 8-10 against bangladesh n zim.) test in 49 ( inc 2) ganguli won 4 overseas matches in 49 however dravid 3 in 16-17 matches, so who is better captain 3) just compare the won One day matched after 57 one day dravid is better than ganguli, so kindly go through records otherwise shut ur mouth Ok?
RE:GANGULY IS BETTER
by NagaSridhar P on Feb 15, 2007 04:59 PM
Dravid has taken lesser innings than Ganguly to reach the 10000 runs. Check the statistics man.Being an openor Ganguly has batted in more innings than Dravid eventhough no. of matches are less.Dravid being a middle order batsman and taking less no of innings than Ganguly to reach the same land mark shows his ability and stature.
RE:RE:GANGULY IS BETTER
by Sanjiv Biswas on Feb 15, 2007 06:05 PM
Sourav and Dravid are entirely two different types of batsmen. Both are brilliant in their roles. Sourav is an attacking player while Dravid is more of defensive mixed with attacking. When Dravid defends the ball it lands right near his foot where fielder can reach for a catch. When Sourav steps forward and hits a spinner for a six it's one of the most beautiful picture one can see in Sports.
The statistics clearly show that eventhogh Dravid played 309 matches, he has batted only in 287 innings, because he has not get oppurtunity in matches which ends before he comes for batting. This is very common in middle order batsman. Thats why the batting average is calculated with total runs devided by number of innings batted. Hence I request you people to dont get mislead stating that Rahul has taken more matches to complete 10000 runs in ODI. Only we have to see about the average. Rahul averages around 40.01 & Sourav around 40.99. I dont find there is big difference between them.
Hence I once again like to clearly inform the ganguly fans (who very often speaks against Dravid and Sachin), to please look into real statistics and think twice before making your comments. Please note, I am writing this message not to speak against sourav. In my opinion all the 3 batsmen (Sachin, Sourav & Dravid) are great on their own style.
Hope everyone agree upon this. Hereafter we stop blaming them and support them together so that they play well in future too for India.
RE:RE:GANGULY IS BETTER
by naveen mahale on Feb 15, 2007 06:36 PM
good shot nagarajan this the way answering with full stastics
May be dravid has taken more innings to reach 10000 but he was middle order batsman comming at No 4 or 5 so it will be almost end of the match many times . Again ganguly started his carrier with a stroke player the scoring was very fast and dravid was much on defensive intialy in carrier scoring was slow but he has changed his game now he play as per sitiuation.I still remember in sharajah match in 1996 dravid batted at number 8 and now he has reached 10000 runs i.e. comeback and Iam sure he will succesful has captain also in this WC
RE:GANGULY IS BETTER
by NagaSridhar P on Feb 15, 2007 04:58 PM
Dravid has taken lesser innings than Ganguly to reach the 10000 runs. Check the statistics man.Being an openor Ganguly has batted in more innings than Dravid eventhough no. of matches are less.Dravid being a middle order batsman and taking less no of innings than Ganguly to reach the same land mark shows his ability and stature.
