Manoj - You have been doing great. Keep doing great to become another 'Dada' in 'Never Say Die' attitude armed with a 'Dada shot'. may be someday we wish you surpass 'Dada' even!
Well Bengalis were not anit indians when they supported the other team when Saurav was thrown out. It was a condemnation of BCCI for mistreatment of their son by bongs. Imagine Sachin getting treated that way. There will be no cricket in Mumbai for years to come. Do you call that as anti national. Thats the way bengali's are...They can condemn openly on the face. I am not a bong but have a lot of bong friends. I know they have a strong nationalistic feelings than some of our brothers in the south who cannot rise above one language. Congrats to Manoj Tewary for getting selected. This wasn't regionalism but sheer batting that earned him a place. The selectors have played and understand more cricket than some fools writing on this forum
RE:Misconception about bongs
by bharat on Feb 08, 2007 06:40 AM
There can be no excuse what so ever, for the behaviour of the Eden Garden crowd for the way they behaved during the ODI against South Africa.
I dare you to point out on which other ground in India has the crowd cheered the opposition vociferously when India was heading for India's defeat. Only Kolkata has that dubious distinction. That is the naked truth. Please do not try to glorify what they did by giving some flimsy excuse. To protest against the BCCI, you wish your national team to lose n international match? Huh!!! is that the definition of nationalism for the people of Kolkata? This amounts to nothing but outright treachery and should be condemned in no uncertain terms. If you wanted to protest against the BCCI, do it outside their office, why during an event involving the national prestige??
Injustice has happened from time to time to the players from other states too, not just to the Bengal players. There are people who strongly believe that VVS Laxman be included in the team at a time when he had been kept out of the Indian side for some time. Would it be justified if the people of Hyderabad clap for and encourage the the opposition team for this reason? If we follow the example of the Eden Garden crowd, the Indian team will be jeered at each and every ground in India!
To talk about Mumbai, the crowd has not spared Sachin when he did not bat well in one of the recent matches. The unpartisan crowd went to the extreme by booing Sachin when he got about. I do not support this extreme behaviour, but it demonstrates adequately that in Mumbai, regionalism does not take precedence over nationalism!
RE:RE:Misconception about bongs
by Indra Sengupta on Feb 08, 2007 07:57 AM
No no. Do not ever compare Saurav dropping with anything else. A standing captain with so much success can not be treated like this and just remember the face of Jumping More! His crooked smile, his persona non grata attitude to Saurav remember everything and you find some reason if not logic behind the behaviour. Saurav has slapped all the critics with his bat. Blind Persons like Raj Dung or K More are no longer even heard in the press and media. The behaviour of the crowd may be wrong but the reason was right. Bengal never stop short of showing their emotions to the nation. 'No Kapil no test' cry roared the crowd once with banners and posters when Gavaskar -Kapil row came to the surface and Kapil was dropped. Bengal connection notwithstanding, Saurav is always a special hero for his aggressiveness, patriotism and captaincy. When you treat that idol shabbily protests are bound to come. Emotions are like glass - fragile and to be handled with care. The protests at Eden that time were not limited to Bengalis alone. It gathered a snowballing effect, entire country joined, the media, the press, the people from all Indian cities and villages, the film stars the politicians-all. It became a sort of peoples movement. It haapened never before in the World history of sports and what a surprise! You keep the man out- he shines in the press media and people's hearts. You bring in him and he dazzles with the bat. There is really something in him, call it determination call it charisma or whatever. He is really the captain material.
RE:RE:RE:Misconception about bongs
by sriram balu on Feb 08, 2007 08:23 AM
i totally disagree with this. Whatever be the reason, whatever has been done to you. You are an indian, and you salute the nation even if it hurls you to death. Are you blind. And i see someone saying, mumbai would do this...hyderabad would do this. I mean, when are you guys going to stop treating this country as a collection of states stuck together by flimsy glue. Why isnt there anyone saying India India. U can have ur internal problems, but should it over shadow the fact that the nation is playing. BCCI might say that they dont represent the country, but we know that as watchers, we feel that india is playing. Please support our country as a whole in whatever we are doing. The whole is always greater than the sum of the parts. Jai Hind.
RE:RE:RE:Misconception about bongs
by bharat on Feb 08, 2007 08:51 AM
This is loyalty to the nation with pre-conditions attached. It is like saying - "I will remain loyal to my country and cheer for my team only if you satisfy all my expectations. One instance of injustice is enough for me to forget my loyalty to the nation and turn against it"! - That is the message from the Eden Gardens!
Injustice has been done in the past to the other regions. When Kapil was dropped after the famous incidents, did the Chandigarh crowds pelt Orange peels at the Indian team?? Did any state chief minister considered it necessary to make a statement??
Shame on all those you try to support this behaviour directly or indirectly with some or the other excuse.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Misconception about bongs
by Pranta Pathik on Feb 08, 2007 10:15 AM
Dear Bharat, do you know anything about deshbhakti? go and open history book to know the role of bengalis in war for independence during british period.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Misconception about bongs
by bharat on Feb 08, 2007 10:31 AM
The entire nation participated in the freedom struggle. Winning independence was a joint effort of all the Indians. The freedom movement was led by leaders from several regions, some of which were from Bangal. I do not accept singling out of one individual community for appreciation.
Besides, the topic of discussion is not related to the freedom struggle.
The only question is - Is the anti India behaviour of the Eden Garden crowd during the ODI against SA justifiable? Answer in only one word - yes or no!
RE:RE:RE:Misconception about bongs
by bharat on Feb 08, 2007 09:15 AM
You cannot compare the reaction after the Kapil incident and the crowd behaviour during the SA ODI match.
During the Kapil incidents, protest banners were put up. This is certainly not anti-national and is acceptable. At that time, the crowd did not cheer and hope for the England team to win.
What happened during the match against SA last year was different.
RE:RE:Misconception about bongs
by DHIMANKRISHNA GHOSH on Feb 08, 2007 08:51 AM
Hi Whatever, What is your 'gold standard' for measuring the nationality? Cricket? Man you are a then 'sick kid' of that game. I dont give any damn excuse of supporting any team other than India as long as it is a game.It is not a battle zone. As long as you do not appreciate individual accomplishments irrespective of the team, you do not delve into that game. If you are national then just mean that. Think beyond cricket. Think beyond regional and religious borders. Kolkata is 'mini India' and that is just been made possible by the majority of the people who are able to think beyond their regional and religious boundaries. It is the true picture of India. I do not need to qualify any cricket manifesto to prove my nationality and that too someone whose identity is held in limbo.
RE:RE:RE:Misconception about bongs
by bharat on Feb 08, 2007 12:04 PM
It is certainly good sportsman's spirit if you appreciate the accomplishments of the opposition team but no sane person on earth wishes for the opposition team to beat your home team. Even if your team is a rank underdog, you do hope that your team plays well on that particular day and win the match even if the odds are against you.
Wishing for your home team to win and appreciating good performance of the other teams are two different things. Mr. Ghosh, better get your fundamentals straight.
RE:RE:RE:Misconception about bongs
by santanu basak on Feb 08, 2007 10:06 AM
you people are nothing but ganguly minded. There is nothing called feelings for the team. I will say again and again, Kolkata should not be allowed to host matches anymore as these people are not liable to see Indian team playing. They only know about Ganguly and nothing more than that. Kolkata crowd was never a sporting crowd. One reason can be cited that it is a not a good place to play cricket because the BCCI headquarter is shifted to Mumbai. Kolkata used to host all the prestigious matches. Now, there is a doubt whether they will get any matches to host in the 2010 World Cup. Third country matches should be given in that venue and no India's matches should be allowed to be played in that venue. Never these people will learn to cheer the Indian team. Only Ganguly, Ganguly, and Ganguly. They hate the team like anything.
RE:RE:RE:Misconception about bongs
by Indra Sengupta on Feb 08, 2007 09:09 AM
Mob psychology is something different and its expressions do not necessarily conform the parliamentary standards or even parliamentary standards are falling now a days. Crowd behaviour is always something different in Eden. One lakh people- can you ever imagine in other smaller grounds. Any priliminary chapter in a sociology book will tell you how numbers are importannt in irrational crowd behaviour. I still however believe that the reason may be right but the action was wrong.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Misconception about bongs
by Kanadiga on Feb 08, 2007 10:59 AM
I understand why bengalis did that they Chappel to loose and not India....because chappel thought he is ruling India i must say where you patriotism went when that chappel shown middle finger to large gathering of Indian crowd it was in calcutta for that matter....thats the reason people got so angry over him....
RE:RE:RE:RE:Misconception about bongs
by sanjay sharma on Feb 08, 2007 10:57 AM
wtever may b the way to define positives or negatives... the action was completely against the spirit of sport... people of india may fight to eachother within the country, but this is not acceptable to fight when you are facing some other country... this is the time to forget all the wrong reasons and stand unite to support our country.... And one should never forget... A player is known by the team and team isn't known by the player... tommorow there will be no Sachin, Saurav, Dravid...but Team India will remain..forever... So lets support Team India..rather than Player Bangal or Player Mumbai...
RE:Misconception about bongs
by santanu basak basak on Feb 08, 2007 11:53 AM
My dear friend. I appreciate you for the support you have given to the Bengalis. Even I being a Bengali is having that soft corner for Ganguly why was he thrown out of the team. I am against the attitude of the Kolkata people. They think a player has to be appreciated under the shelter of Ganguly. They should learn how to appreciate individual performances. Congrats to Manoj Tiwari too for earning a place in the team for his performance not being from Bengal or the team playing in Kolkata.
RE:RE:Misconception about bongs
by sriram balu on Feb 08, 2007 12:37 PM
This thread is going really nice
Start with thiwari go to bengal behavior i brought in nationalism some one said sports != national spirit another said ur team plays , u want it to win ganguly comes in here and there chappell comes in once in a while Eden(what an ironic name) Gardens everywhere.. *********************************************** "Kolkata is 'mini India' and that is just been made possible by the majority of the people who are able to think beyond their regional and religious boundaries. It is the true picture of India. " - quoted from someone. that was funny. How can one state represent the country itself. And ppl think beyond regional boundaries, man are you kidding yourself.
To appreciate sport, learn from the chennai crowd. Every one bore witness to that gesture and it helped ind-pak cricket relations a lot.
Any sane Indian from bengal would feel dissapointed at such a bizzare reaction by the uncouth crowd there. Any Indian with an iota of patriotism will condemn the act. Indianess is being indian. Its being Indian in every aspect. If its a sport, you dont mind loosing. But we dont play to loose. We play for our country to win. Each Indian is proud everytime India wins a game. The individual is never bigger than the game, the state is never bigger than the country.
RE:RE:RE:Misconception about bongs
by Amit Benegal on Feb 08, 2007 01:19 PM
I agree with u completely. This thread has gone hay-wire. Everyone from bongs, southies (sic), ganguly, chappell, sachin and the milkman have been dragged through mud! The point being lost totally. Ur last para puts it in a nutshell. Well done.
It was sheer hard work from Manoj that brought him to such a level ; overcoming all the circumstances. its a true gesture from the part of BCCI a deserving candidate received a deserving reward. With such a solid performance in his bag in the domestic circuit i hope he will do gr8 guns in the internation arena .
Whatever some fragrant messages are spread by some Bong lover Mooms, selection of Tewari is a real good gesture to rise above parochialism. His eyes tells that he is an extraordinary player. He rises from a very ordinary lower middle class non-Bengali family from Howrah suburb. Unlike Ranadeb an ex-Xaverian from an upper middleclass family, this man rises from almost a slum. His parents, as seen in the TV, are a very typical upcountry rural couple settling in Bengal for livelihood. Indomitable will power has propelled Tewari to reach the spot. This man will travel a long way I tell you. Selectors have shown a praiseworthy courage. Hope he comes in the playing eleven soon and hits the bulls eye. A very good sign for Indian democracy.
RE:A Star Is Born
by panduranga paadle on Feb 08, 2007 11:45 AM
Selection of Tewari good for Indian democracy?! Villagers supporting Ganguly?! Wats going on?
RE:A Star Is Born
by bharat on Feb 08, 2007 12:08 PM
They are going to stand for the next state elections. Just as some states like actors to be their leaders, Bengal would have a cricketer as their CM in the future.
this is not the correct time to select manoj tiwari. iam not blaming tiwari but we have only 4 matches to go for the world cup so use the experience players to get in it
RE:selection commite is doing a mistake
by JM on Feb 08, 2007 01:35 AM
You are absolutely right. We know very well Tiwari will not play in the WC. Then why include him in the build-up matches? The series against WI and SL should only be meant for WC probables.
RE:RE:selection commite is doing a mistake
by Pratap Patil on Feb 08, 2007 02:43 AM
I am also of the same opinion. Kaif should have given an opportunity to perform, keeping an eye on the WC scquad.
RE:RE:RE:selection commite is doing a mistake
by Ritwik Bhattacharyya on Feb 08, 2007 09:51 AM
No No.Kaif shouldn't be thought for WC sqad.He is very much out of form.He even can't manage 4 singles in a over.Don't judge him with the Natwest final.Actually he is very boring cricketer while batting.He can't make big shots in the slog overs.Why do selectors choose him for lower the order ?
RE:RE:RE:RE:selection commite is doing a mistake
by sanjay sharma on Feb 08, 2007 11:49 AM
I agree.... I don't doubt anybody's capability, but this is not the right time to test new players... new players should be given chance after world cup... this is the time to polish the players who are almost certain for world cup....
RE:Brilliant Tewari!!
by Faiz Jaffri on Feb 07, 2007 11:23 PM
I totally agree. Cheteshwar Pujara should be given a chance soon. But Tiwary is a start nonetheless. Whatever happened to Abid Nabi, the fast bowler from Kashmir ??
RE:RE:Brilliant Tewari!!
by panduranga paadle on Feb 08, 2007 12:29 PM
His selection is difficult as JK does not compete wit the premium Ranji teams. He should shift his base to mumbai or bengal
