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parvez sheikh
mumbai's win
by parvez sheikh on Feb 06, 2007 05:38 PM

ALL THE CREDIT IS GIVEN TO TENDULKAR AND ZAHEER. BUT NO ONE TALK ABOUT JAFFER WHOSE EFFORT HAS MADE THE MUMBAI TEAM WIN THE RANJI FINAL. MEDIA ALSO SHOULD NOT HYPE A SINGLE PERSONS EFFORT ITS NOT FAIR ON JAFFER'S PART

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Rakesh Sharma
mumbai's win
by Rakesh Sharma on Feb 06, 2007 03:56 PM  | Hide replies

Although Mumbai won the match but Ganguly & manoj tiwari took a heavy toll of their bowling in the second innings, particularly Zaheer who went for 18 runs in one over. But Agarkar took the crucial wicket of Rohan Gavaskar who was going great guns at just the right moment to open the gates for Mumbai. Zaheer in fact was lucky to get 4 undeserved wickets as he was hammered all day in the second innings. Agarkar has won many matches for the country. The just concluded one day series being one of them. Getting Gayle early on in the innings was the masterstroke which enabled India to win the series. Otherwise he could have devastated the Indian bowlers as he did to the bowlers of all the teams in the ICC Championship. Even if one takes the performance of Indian bowlers in the last fifteen games, Agarkar is right at the top with maximum wickets at the minimum average and best strike rate. I am surprised at the comments of some people who have been criticizing Agarkar without any rhyme or reason.

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stylee
RE:mumbai's win
by stylee on Feb 07, 2007 01:55 PM
aGARKAR GETS CRITICIZED COZ HE'S PRETTY INCONSISTANT. HE PLAYS WELL IN A COUPLE OF GAMES ONLY TO SCREW UP BANDY IN THE REMAINING ONES

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shah khan
TWO KHANS
by shah khan on Feb 06, 2007 01:01 PM  | Hide replies

Zaheer Khan did very well, his wickets helped Mumbai win.

His is in good touch, hopefully he can do well in the world cup with Irfan Pathan.

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bharat
RE:TWO KHANS
by bharat on Feb 06, 2007 01:26 PM
Let us hope so. If both of them click, India's bowling will be pretty strong.

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majid khan
RE:TWO KHANS
by majid khan on Feb 06, 2007 05:13 PM
the world cup with Irfan Pathan. win cup and

Zaheer Khan

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anand kumar
Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by anand kumar on Feb 06, 2007 10:37 AM  | Hide replies

Agarkar:

Overs Bowled: Around 27
Runs Conceded: Around 100
Wickets Taken: 03

Sourav Sarkar:

Overs: Around 35
Runs Conceded: Around 130
Wickets Taken: 05

Zahir:

Overs: Around 35
Runs Conceded: Around 160
Wickets Taken: 09


Ranadeb Bose:

Overs: Around 55
Runs Conceded: Around 150
Wickets Taken: 09


Agarkar/Sarkar = Almost same average = 3.7 Runs Per over
Zahir = 4.5 Runs Per over for 09 wickets
Ranadeb = 2.7 Runs Per over for 09 wickets


Yet Agarkar and Zahir Khan find place in the national side; and Ranadeb & Sarkar not; Funny part is the selectors do not have the records of Ranadeb at all. Hats Off.

* Details derived from the Rediff Score card. I am sorry if I am wrong in conveying the numbers (Courtesy Rediff).

However, this does not mean that Mumbai has not played well. I wholeheartedly convey my congrats for winning the record 37th Ranji title. Congrats Mumbai
Anand Vardhan, Hyderabad


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Probal Bardhan
RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by Probal Bardhan on Feb 06, 2007 03:24 PM
Sorry Sandip, you fail to understand the basic point everyone is making. Ranadeb's is not a one of season performance. He should have been in the Indian squad. Its just bad luck for him, and worse selection by the committee as always.

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Sandip
RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by Sandip on Feb 06, 2007 12:35 PM
I never knew abt this player.honestly.. Apologies !!. But Again When our own Dada was leading the team why didn't he get him in the team. I remember he tried Utpal, sarandeep, Deepdas etc. But honestly they were not as good as Kumble and Harbhajan or sehwag. So whats the conclusion for Ranadeb !

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anand kumar
RE:RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by anand kumar on Feb 06, 2007 12:58 PM
Simple. Utpal and sarandeep were not given that many chances as sehwag, agarkar, dinesh mongia, gambhir (gambhir is becoming another sehwag - performs in one out of ten), and so on. Deepdas was a failure at international level- i agree. If a player is consistent in his performance, he should be given ample chances to prove his mettle at the apex level.
And please check - utpal never got a chance when DADA was captain as far as i know; sarandeep, deepdas were in team because of DADA - agreed. But they needed DADA to enter the team, unlike agarkar, dinesh mongia, gambhir. And I guess, harbhajan, yuvraj, kaif, zahir, nehra, salvi - almost all these were backed by dada.

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sujit sankhe
RE:RE:RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by sujit sankhe on Feb 06, 2007 01:30 PM
Actually these players exploited chances given to them earlier than others & players like agarkar,Zaheer showed great talents right from their first match. To play international matches is lot diff than domestic. U need to be mentally strong other than being talented.

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bharat
RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by bharat on Feb 06, 2007 11:35 AM
If this stupid logic is applied, we will end up changing players after every couple of matches. Do you select players just on the basis of 1 or 2 performances. Does the long term track record not matter? Does it not matter against what quality of opposition has the player performed? My dear sir, to replace well established players in the international side, you must show consistent good performance against good opposition. Do your candidates have such a record to challange Zaheer. Ranadeb may be having the potential but apart from the Ranji finals, which other teams having players of international level has he performed. Remember a 5 wicket haul against the Assam team will be rated much lower than a 5 wicket haul against Mumbai. Let thme wait to get a chance of playing in the irani trophy or the Challenger tournament or in a side match against a visiting team. If they perform well, then they will have a much stronger case to be selected for India.

Assuming that applying your logic, Ranadeb and Sarkar are chosen to replace Agarkar and Zaheer and in the next domestic match, if bowlers xyz and abc have better figures, would it be appropriate replace your candidates with abc and xyz????

By getting emotional, you are causing greater harm to them by pushing for an early selection. Imagine if they are suddenly exposed to international pressure, and are dropped after failing in a couple of matches never to be talked of again? Let them prove themselves in the next few matches.



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vishal mehta
RE:RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by vishal mehta on Feb 07, 2007 01:55 PM
hi
You are right you shpuld only replace after consistent performance.but whenever they will perform you will always say that there is a vast differnence between national and international matches.But only if taken in intl macthes they can show their form their.And its only because of this rotation that we will be able to keep all our fast bowlers on their toes.Because our bowlers are not of that class that they automatic pick themselves.Only because of lack of cometition are they picked automatically.now that there is competition its better we take only in form bowlers.Its because of that we atleast have 5 to 6 bowlers rotating.Nahi to wahi 3 agarkar zaheer nehra ke lena padta injured ho ya fir out of form ho fir bhi.But because of our contionous search now we have got options.Similarly isi taarah in naye ranji bowlers ko smtimes inconsequential matches me chance dena chaiye.

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anand kumar
RE:RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by anand kumar on Feb 06, 2007 12:11 PM
The logic behind my expression is - select the players according to their stability and efficiency - not for their background. I have never said not to select agarkar or zahir. I think you have not gone through my expression dear sir. Just check again. I said when agarkar can get selected, why not an in form bowler -doesnt matter whether it is ranadeb or munaf or vrv or srishanth or joginder. The latter four are still young. THEY STILL HAVE TO LEARN. Going by your yardstick- they should not even be in the ranji team too. Instead they should be waiting for their turn on the benches. As far as ranadeb is concerned he is already 27. When will u utilize his expertise in first class matches if not now? is the doubt.
And yes - i have not said that remove all the players for every series. "3-4 champion and consistent performers should always be there and the remaining should keep performing (consistently that is) to be in the team and never to take their place for granted" -is what I said i guess. May be i am not perfect in my expression and may be i am not good at english. But precisely this is what i meant.
Ne way, i am glad that my observations were read. thank u for that

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Sandip
RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by Sandip on Feb 06, 2007 10:44 AM
Simple... because agarkar performed against West Indies. One of season performance by Ranadeb will not take him anywhere. He has to consistently knock the doors at BCCI. Look at mumbai players. They perform consistently and come to the team. Otherwise people like parthiv patel come with all the hype and once their weakness is exposed they dissapear. So there is still way to go..

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sreekanth agneswaran
RE:RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by sreekanth agneswaran on Feb 06, 2007 11:29 AM
One season??? Get a life, dude! RB has played 54 first class matches with 194 wickets, with an average of 24.25 and an economy of 2.64. Add to that the distinction of never, ever having committed the mistake of overstepping in his entire career. It was really funny to hear Vengsarkar say that Ranadeb was good only for the longer version of the game and that he's not yet ready for ODIs. Can anyone please provide the logic behind that statement? So, Mr. Sandeep, please, know your facts before passing silly judgements. And as for your argument about Mumbai players, sorry, that doesn't count, either. Can you explain why Amol Muzumdar has never got a look in in spite of one stellar performance after the other throughout his long domestic career? What is surprising is, there has absolutely been no questions raised about his non-inclusion all these years. An average of over 50 in 127 matches with 22 centuries and 50 half centuries! Is that really that bad??? So, let's not talk about players getting selected sheerly on the basis of talent.

Cheers,
Sree

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anand kumar
RE:RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by anand kumar on Feb 06, 2007 11:19 AM
Ranadeb is playing in domestic cricket for almost 8-9 years now (as far as my knowledge goes) - nothing more to say about this aspect.

As regards to other points -
It is not the question of Mumbai players or Bengal players or Karnataka players or Hyd. players.... It is just the question of non-selection of the deserving candidates. I am not against / for any individual / zone. For me India%u2019s win is only matters (at least a brave fight if not a win). agarkar, zahir, parthiv, deepdas, sachin/ ganguly, dinesh mongia/karthick, uthappa/gambhir/sehwag dravid/lakshman %u2013 these individuals does not matter. Agarkar is a player who is uncertain in his form, yet finds a place. He need not prove his worth and fitness. I agree that he is a good bowler and a useful batsman too in lower order. My question is %u2013 If Agarkar can be selected, why not ranadeb or any other person who performs well at domestic cricket.
The point is %u2013 when a cricketer is at his peak of form, he should be utilized in the national team. There should not be any permanent cricketer in the national team unless for a 3-4 members (mean to say no one should take their place for granted). Their performance should be the parameter for selection before any series. And for God%u2019s sake, do not attribute any region/religion/caste/creed partisanship to my comments. Its just an observation.


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v m
RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by v m on Feb 06, 2007 02:29 PM
Hi anand,
you can no judge person from one match, if that we have if look out in one match Macgrath taking 1 wicket while stuart clark taking 3 wicket, means clark is better than macgrath, U have to take overall performance, even i can say at the moment india has very good bowler aharkar and zahir who can play at any kind of pitch, agarkar in-out happend not because of his performance but because of like/dis like of captain, in 2003 world cup he has not getting chance of 1 match while nehra kind of bowler paly almost all match, if on those kind of wicket agarkar has played then it will be more and good perfomance comapre to nehra,


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vishal mehta
RE:RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by vishal mehta on Feb 07, 2007 01:17 PM
Hi
U r right .We cannot judge from 1 match.But i think no indian bowler is of class of mcragth that he can take his place for granted.its better we keep on looking forward in ranji matches for bowlers.Only then can we keep all these avg fast indian bowlers on their toes and performing.See because we kept rotating and dropped zaheer now zaheer is back.Because we kept looking we found munaf and we have bowlers even if irfan is out of form.If we hadnt to fir abhi bhi wahi 3 balaji nehra aur zaheer ko leke jana padta form ho ya na ho.and well agarkar has played mpre than 250 one day matches.so thats not at all less,it means hes picked more often than dropped.so i dont think thers anyinjustice donr to him.

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prakash ghosh
RE:RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by prakash ghosh on Feb 06, 2007 03:17 PM
Yes sir i completly agree woth you.
Its is very dishertening to see that a deseving player does not get chance even after his superb performance in the season.
I think its time that selectors should look for players other than mumbai.

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Sankha Sanyal
RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by Sankha Sanyal on Feb 06, 2007 10:45 AM
Great with facts and figure Sir. I feel Ranadev Bose is a far better bowler than Agarkar. The form he is in is devastating. He should have been picked not only for his but also for his attitude. When on day 2 nobody gave Bengal a chance including Tendulkar he had other things in mind. He is a player who beleives that no game is won or lost till the last ball is being bowled
Sankha SS, Siliguri

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Sankha Sanyal
RE:RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by Sankha Sanyal on Feb 06, 2007 10:52 AM
I feel Mr Sandip dont know that Ranadeb is in the circuit for the last 10 years and he is abowler who hasn't bowled a single no ball in his life,including first class as well as club cricket, thats not an exxageration of the fact...This shows his discipline. As for performance, huh.. when did Indian selectors selected playyers on the basis of performance.. Its like the player whose lobby is stronger he is in the team. For Ex.. Utpal Chatterjee is far more talented than Anil Kumble and Sarandeep singh than Harbhajan Singh but their problem is they dont have any Godfather.... So Mr Sandip before writing please check on with the facts and then comment....

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dinesh kokate
RE:RE:RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by dinesh kokate on Feb 06, 2007 11:42 AM
For your comparision of Utpal with Anil, let me remind you that people like you use to say that Sairaj Bahutule was better compared to Anil. What happened, he failed heavily at international level. And about Ranadeb, when asked the selector from your zone about the statistics of Ranadeb, he was not able to present them, how can you blame the mumbai players for that. But still, Ranadeb will surely get his chance once the world cup is over.

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bharat
RE:RE:RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by bharat on Feb 06, 2007 11:39 AM
Utpal Chatterjee did get reasonable chances at the international level. I think comparing him with Anil Kumble is an insult to Kumble. Moreover he is a left arm spinner so if at all, you may compare him with the likes of bowlers such as Venkatpathy Raju.

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biz Narayan
RE:RE:RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by biz Narayan on Feb 06, 2007 11:02 AM
If he was in for last 10 years, then what was Dalmiya doing ? So we have got certain Utpal Chaterjee better than Anil Kumble...how do we know ? god save us when we ignore what we appreciate. Similar logic must have been used to show Agarkar is worse than Ranadeb.


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Preshit Upadhye
RE:RE:RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by Preshit Upadhye on Feb 08, 2007 06:51 AM
Utpal Chatterjee is far more talented than Anil Kumble.... (ha...ha...ha..).

This is the most strange and funny statement I can ever think of. U need to check Kumble's Record. Nearly 550 wickets in Test matches. How you can compare a player like Chaterjee to him?. Kumble is considered t be the best spinner India has produced (with stalwarts like Bedi, Prasanna, Chandra, Venkatraghavan etc.). These players are itself so great and its being said that Kumble is still better than them. Comparing Kumble to Chaterjee is like comparing dusk with dawn.

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anand kumar
Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by anand kumar on Feb 06, 2007 10:37 AM  | Hide replies

Agarkar:

Overs Bowled: Around 27
Runs Conceded: Around 100
Wickets Taken: 03

Sourav Sarkar:

Overs: Around 35
Runs Conceded: Around 130
Wickets Taken: 05

Zahir:

Overs: Around 35
Runs Conceded: Around 160
Wickets Taken: 09


Ranadeb Bose:

Overs: Around 55
Runs Conceded: Around 150
Wickets Taken: 09


Agarkar/Sarkar = Almost same average = 3.7 Runs Per over
Zahir = 4.5 Runs Per over for 09 wickets
Ranadeb = 2.7 Runs Per over for 09 wickets


Yet Agarkar and Zahir Khan find place in the national side; and Ranadeb & Sarkar not; Funny part is the selectors do not have the records of Ranadeb at all. Hats Off.

* Details derived from the Rediff Score card. I am sorry if I am wrong in conveying the numbers (Courtesy Rediff).

However, this does not mean that Mumbai has not played well. I wholeheartedly convey my congrats for winning the record 37th Ranji title. Congrats Mumbai
Anand Vardhan, Hyderabad


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biz Narayan
RE:Congrats Mumbai for 37th Ranji Title
by biz Narayan on Feb 06, 2007 11:05 AM
More funny part would be, when Ranadeb and Sarkar play in Indian sides, you would use a different yardstick if another Ranjit player does well - Experience of Ranadeb and Utpal will come to defend their place.

I appreciate these fine players, let us not abuse our sense in name of the fine players.

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stylee
Manali's signature jewellery collection
by stylee on Feb 06, 2007 10:32 AM  | Hide replies

So finally vengsarkar is also getting his timing right!! He chose the right time to open a signature jewellery shop. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but Zaheer's and Sachin's presence at the function somehow does not send the right signals.

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bharat
RE:Manali's signature jewellery collection
by bharat on Feb 06, 2007 12:02 PM
So simple! Zaheer and Sachin's presence at the function will help promote the shop. In return, Vengsarkar has assured Sachin and Zaheer fixed positions in the Indian team throughout Vengsarkar's term as the chairman of the selection committee regardless of their form!!

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rajesh zoldeo
please grow up and think like indian
by rajesh zoldeo on Feb 06, 2007 09:02 AM

Dear all
Bangal fans , I am not from mumbai nor from bangal . I feel very sad the way people are expressing their veiws . even some has comented on sachin very cheaply . most of views are biased.
As indian I am proud of surav and sachin both.
I am impressed with bose and feel he will be in team soon. so fans please hold your guns and wait for the moment .

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Karthik Ramakrishnan
Sad that we should get so parochial
by Karthik Ramakrishnan on Feb 06, 2007 08:27 AM  | Hide replies

Did it occur to you guys that Mumbai team had a Bengali (Amol Mazumdar) and the Bengal team had a few Mumbaikars (Rohan Gavaskar & coach Paras Mhambrey). Why don't we just lean to appreciate a good match. Yes, Ranadeb and Manoj will get their chances soon.

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deepthi madhu
RE:RE:Sad that we should get so parochial
by deepthi madhu on Feb 06, 2007 09:38 AM
hahhahahahhahahhahahahahah. poor bharat. i feel sorry for him for his disturbed mind. To win a match, u got to play well.
anyway i liked his explanation. Are u an MLA/MP?

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bharat
RE:RE:RE:Sad that we should get so parochial
by bharat on Feb 06, 2007 10:11 AM
Deepthi, Sometimes it is nice to let your imagination run wild!!!

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sachin w
RE:Sad that we should get so parochial
by sachin w on Feb 06, 2007 09:27 AM
it is not mazumdar it is muzumdar he is not a bengali

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Preshit Upadhye
RE:Sad that we should get so parochial
by Preshit Upadhye on Feb 06, 2007 09:36 AM
Its Muzumdar. Not Mazumdar. He is Maharastrian not Bengali.

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bharat
RE:RE:Sad that we should get so parochial
by bharat on Feb 06, 2007 09:44 AM
I am relieved to know that he is not a Bengali.

Amol, Sorry for the abuse.

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Vikramaditya Yadav
RE:RE:RE:Sad that we should get so parochial
by Vikramaditya Yadav on Feb 06, 2007 07:08 PM
Muzumdar is a Maharashtrian from Shardashram Vidyamandir...and not a Bengali (if he was, I don't see anything wrong with it either...we don't discriminate against a person's ethnicity in India)

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Vikramaditya Yadav
RE:RE:RE:RE:Sad that we should get so parochial
by Vikramaditya Yadav on Feb 06, 2007 07:27 PM
Besides, why do you think people in Mumbai hate Bengalis and vice versa. Bengal is very much an intricate part of the mosaic we call India and whether you like it or not, they remain one of the cultural epicentres in India. It is unfortunate that Bengalis think India is against them. It is individuals such as Bharat (see above) who spread vendetta and vice within our system. You guys are blind to the larger picture - of the worldwide interest in this year's Ranji season, the unearthing of some gems in our system and of the game becoming more competitive domestically - this augurs well for India. Besides, both Ranadeb Bose and Amol Muzumdar are Indians first and they have represented themselves well - kudos to them all!

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Indra Sengupta
Positives
by Indra Sengupta on Feb 06, 2007 07:34 AM  | Hide replies

There are reasons for Sachin to be ecstatic.
The match was in Bengal's favour so long Saurav and Tiwari was in full flow.
Did the Great spare a word or two for the opponent team, I sahll check up today's Newspaper.
Nevertheless, congrats to all Mooms from a Bong.
Mumbai total 320 plus 290=610
Bengal total 143 plus 339=482
Ratiowise 4:3.16
Four Mumbai players are already in the national circuit Tendulkar, Agarkar,Zaheer and Powar.
Only one player from Bengal Saurav.
Time now for Ranadev Bose and Monoj Tewari to play in the national circuit.
We shall say then Vengsarkar Ha Ha.
Otherwise .....
Saurav is great.
Discarded like a torn shoe by More and Chappel how he came back!
I salute him with rest of the nation.
Time now for Ranadev and Manoj.
If chances are given to Patels and Rainas and Joginders, what is the harm with Ranadev and Manoj?


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bharat
RE:Positives
by bharat on Feb 06, 2007 08:04 AM
The phrase "Nevertheless congrats to all Mooms..." displays great reluctance and bitterness in doing so. Agreed that Bengal played very well in the 2nd innings, but it was their poor performance in the 1st innings which made them lose the match. However, this is the difference between the winning and the losing team. In this match, Mumbai were clearly the better team. Perhaps, the result may (or may not be) different if the match is played on some other day. There is no need to congratulate the winner if it does not come from your heart.

There are a few common thing in messages from Bengal fans -

i. Most of the messages try to suggest that although Mumbai won, the Bengal team players were the real heroes.

ii. Mumbai team was star studded, whereas Bengal had only one star. My question - what is the reason that over the years Bengal cricket has managed to produce only one star inspite of having Dalmia led team at the BCCI for the past many years?

Instead of trying to derive solace from some individual performances in your team, why don't you appreciate the winner with an open heart????

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Amarjit Biswas
RE:RE:Positives
by Amarjit Biswas on Feb 06, 2007 10:32 AM
hey dude,

don't be so agitated..... these sorts of comments doesn't come only from a Bengal fan but also many comments like this comes from the Mumbai fans also..... Ao, keep your cool & don't try to harvest on why Bengal hasn't produced good players like Sourav.... what's your meaning by saying "in the Dalmiya regime".... do you think at the time of Dalmiya, he or Sourav as a captain tried for Bengal players to play for India..... If it was so then the we wouldn't have been able to see the likes of Sehwag, Harbhajan, Zaheer, Pathan etc etc...... before commenting just think twice.... Mumbai is a pure cosmopoliton, mixture of all race, a mini India by it's nature..... Too much of money, good infrastructure..... If Mumbai doesn't produce good players then who else will???? then also except Sachin who else to be remembered, tell me...... So, don't drag the issue beyond your knowledge limit, & enjoy Indian Cricket, instead of Mumbai Cricket.....

Amarjit Biswas
Kolkata

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Indra Sengupta
RE:RE:Positives
by Indra Sengupta on Feb 06, 2007 08:37 AM
Q. What is the reason that over the years Bengal cricket has managed to produce only one star inspite of having Dalmia led team at the BCCI for the past many years?
A. Bengal never enjoyed having the number of player comensurate with their talent. Dalmia or Biswal never bothered about pushing players in the national team.
Glaring example of Tiwari or Bose you can see. I simply tell you none of them would ever be able to make it to the national side as they do not have any god father selector.
Good team like Bombay have 4 national circuit players, why 2 more Tiwari and Bose from Bengal.
Would you believe that they do not have the potential to be in the 30 or the 16?


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kumarp
RE:RE:RE:Positives
by kumarp on Feb 06, 2007 09:52 AM
I wonder why this Bengal, Mumbai thing comes like Pakistan India. The same thing happened when Sourav was droped from the team. (fans clapped for the opposition team!). Common. This much regionalism is not good for the country.

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bharat
RE:RE:RE:RE:Positives
by bharat on Feb 06, 2007 10:02 AM
You have every right to be proud about the team you support or the players you adore. But one must stop short of being a fanatic. Remember that the country comes first before your regional team.

In that respect, I appreciate the awareness of the Mumbai crowd although sometimes it does cross the limits. The Mumbai crowds have not spared local heroes including Tendulkar and Ravi Shastri from "booing" when they did not perform well. I do not support this extreme behaviour but it displays that for the Mumbai crowd, country comes before the region.

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Preshit Upadhye
RE:Positives
by Preshit Upadhye on Feb 06, 2007 09:42 AM
Well said Bharat. I fully agree. And Ganguly was selected because youngsters failed.He never selected himself on sheer weightage of runs scored. Its different that he performed well in South Africa and ODI's. There were few other lads who deserved selection based on runs scored in domestic circuit. E.G. Badrinath of TN. Ganguly got chance because others didnt click. Its Ganguly's good luck.

But no doubt he was the best captain India had.

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Sankha Sanyal
RE:RE:Positives
by Sankha Sanyal on Feb 06, 2007 11:05 AM
Mr Preshit I feel that u dont keep track of the proceeding of those eventful 10 months. Ganguly simply came into the team on the basis of performance. I agree he was lucky that the juniors in the middle were not performing. And you know there isa fomous saying that "god helps them those who help themselves" Beleive me I am proud that Ganguly was born in India with the Australian Attitude of never say die

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Preshit Dattatray Upadhye
RE:RE:RE:Positives
by Preshit Dattatray Upadhye on Feb 08, 2007 01:39 AM
Sankha. You better check records. Ganguly dint do that well in county cricket in England that he deserved a place solely based on his performance. Neither did he scored tons of Runs in domestic circuit. He was selected purely because youngsters failed and they had no other option but to go for experience. Laxman's call in final ODI in SA was because he was good player?. Actually there are some consistent performers in Ranji circuits who performed far better than Souvrav in domestic cricket. However selectors were skeptical of selecting them on tough tour like SA. I think players like Badrinath of TN deserves a place in Team India on his performance.

However if Dravid fails as captain and there is any issue of replacing him as a captain, only choice India have is Sourav Ganguly. Hats off to his captaincy skills and hopes he performs well in WC.

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Karthikeyan Ranganathan
RE:RE:Positives
by Karthikeyan Ranganathan on Feb 06, 2007 10:25 AM
Well i have some points to add myself.
I first of all congradulate for the great Ranji Trophy Finals. Man was that exiting and almost all were watching ranji trophy as if it was a India Pakistan Match. which itself is a great thing.
Coming to winner, hats off to mumbai for a great win though they were the favourites. Well this does not stop me in praising the Bengal team as they put on a fight on a total which was really not acheivable. But with the fight bengal put it looked as if it would win rather than mumbai. Great fighting spirits and this is one thing which needs real appreciation. Hats off to teh bengal team too. Please give us all the ranji trophy matches with these kind of matches as they were really exiting.
About Ganguly's recall back in the team. When a person's moral is down it is always hard to come back to the team. Only special people have made a come back. emotional people would have called quits then and there itself. Well i will not say ganguly's batting is greater than sachin or dravid but he is one sweet timer of the ball and if he times it sweet then you can expect runs at a remarkable rate. He is a man and the break has done wonders for the vetran.
Great show by the fellow bowler Zaheer he is becoming a man with mind...
Also great show by Tiwari and Bose, these two who may be future prospects of India have a great fighting spirit. And this spirit is what India needs at the momment. sreeshant, Tiwari Ganguly, Zaheer all have shown great fighting spirit. Good i think india is begining to walk like a lion though it is way too early to call it the king of the Jungle :-)

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SAM
Sachin - Saurav Comparison
by SAM on Feb 06, 2007 05:19 AM

I think this is pretty absurd from guys out here trying to compare Sachin and Saurav with every single match. We should not forget that both have contributed huge to the game of cricket and india by large. Sachin has played now nearly for 18 years and probably nearing his retirement and so too is Saurav. But both have atleast 3-4 years of Cricket in them. We just don't respect our heroes! We should stop all this regional statements to begin with. Sachin from Mumbai, Saurav from Bengal etc. We don't see these kind of stuff from people of any country in the world. They are our heroes and thats it! Even if we show them the door it should be done gracefully not by humilitation. We did that with Ganguly sometime back even though he was the most successful captain. Now we are targetting Sachin. Lets show some patience and wait for them to deliver.

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