minnow bashing? a hype created to promote cause o dravid nobody disputes tendulkar's claim to greatness, and drvid's record till abt a year ago, but on current form, he need s a push out if uwilling, chuck out
RE:no minnow bashings
by Ravi Ranjan on Dec 07, 2007 10:45 AM
I really admire what dada has done with his limited abilities. Frankly, after his dismal performance in Ranji Trophy [ 0 and 1 vs. Zaheer Khan] and English county [ 26 runs in 7 games]- his inclusion had a lot to do with failure of Kaif/Raina/Venugopal Rao and long term injury to Yuvraj. That said, he has made the most of his comeback. We can't expect Ganguly to win matches for us or strike fear in the heart of the bowlers. But if he does not hook short pitch deliveries and puts a high premium on his wicket and keeps scoring 30s and 40s- that's good enough to be in the team. Good luck dada!
just as u r doing to ask readers to select a test team by opinion, also do the same for selection of final 16 to the ausi series. this poll result wud give good pitcure.
RE:Who is the weakest link among the Seniors?
by Suresh CS on Dec 06, 2007 09:31 PM
who do you think will go first?Its defenitely not Sachin, barring any injuries.
RE:RE:Who is the weakest link among the Seniors?
by Suresh CS on Dec 06, 2007 09:37 PM
you are right, I missed him somehow. I still think that he will hang around for a little more while than Saurav and Laxman.
RE:Who is the weakest link among the Seniors?
by kaushik saha on Dec 06, 2007 09:40 PM
based on current form, its dravid and please dont talk abt past performances
RE:Who is the weakest link among the Seniors?
by Suresh CS on Dec 06, 2007 09:50 PM
We also have to keep in mind that all these seniors are awful in the field. 'No one' is an exception.
RE:Who is the weakest link among the Seniors?
by hindublogger on Dec 06, 2007 09:53 PM
All are liabilities in the field ..and that also is in the reverse order ..the last one is the biggest liability followed by VVS
RE:Who is the weakest link among the Seniors?
by kaushik saha on Dec 06, 2007 09:58 PM
and the second from top cant be entrusted with anything else other than "it will click sometime in the future" batting (bowling -hihi, wicketkeeping -the LORD's dignity is lost in doing so, opening - only on flattest of flat tracks
RE:Who is the weakest link among the Seniors?
by hindublogger on Dec 06, 2007 10:35 PM
Spinal ..for him all players out side bengal are quota players ..
RE:Who is the weakest link among the Seniors?
by hindublogger on Dec 06, 2007 10:00 PM
Records of the top two speaks volumes for themselves...and no minnow bashings either
RE:Who is the weakest link among the Seniors?
by Spinal Tap on Dec 06, 2007 10:49 PM
when he started his career? Thats crap. He had full support of Azharuddin, too.
RE:Who is the weakest link among the Seniors?
by hindublogger on Dec 06, 2007 10:47 PM
Well thatz what he claims.Dravid got in as a quota player when Vishwanath was the selector
RE:Who is the weakest link among the Seniors?
by Spinal Tap on Dec 06, 2007 10:16 PM
You seem like you have something personal against Dravid!? If Ganguly came back into the side, why not Dravid who is much better a batsman than Saurav?
RE:RE:Who is the weakest link among the Seniors?
by Spinal Tap on Dec 06, 2007 10:50 PM
Looks like he hates Dravid? Did Dravid steal the captaincy from Saurav or something?
RE:Who is the weakest link among the Seniors?
by Suresh CS on Dec 06, 2007 09:42 PM
Are you saying that he is going to retire right away? No I would like to believe that he is going to get back his touch with the batting
RE:Who is the weakest link among the Seniors?
by Suresh CS on Dec 06, 2007 09:45 PM
I like to believe that coz when Saurav got his 'lost' touch back, why not Dravid who is also one among those greats
Well, everyone thinks Dravid was an excellent test captain some facts (1) If dada's victories as captain to be attributed to Dravid, laxman etc so Dravid's victories also to be dedicated as in some tests he didn't perform at all (a) Victory against SA - taken to be a crown jewel in Dravid's captaincy. The performers - Sreesanth and to a small exetnt -dada (b) England series (a team lacking hoggard, harmison, flintoff - just imagiine an Indian team lackng kumble, rp, zaheer) - contributors -karthik, Sachin (c) West Indies - I just wonder what the Zimbabwe team (so called minnows) comprising Heath Streak, The Flower Bros, paul strang etc etc would do to that west Indies team,one of the weakest ever (gets beaten by the current Zimbabwe team) (4) Wiining match against pakistan led by dravid? a big joke - Dravid had the series at 1-1 , dada led in the 3rd test And in this period , Dravid never led in the aussies den - (one of the reasons he might have escaped from captaincy) 17 victories while chasing are attributed to Dravid's captincy (1st, factually incorrect, 2 of them came in dada's captaincy) - mostly stellar performance s by Dhoni and Yuvi (dhoni's 183 a case in point) - and some against teams like the england team that came down in 2006? haha losses in firts round of mini WC, 0-4 against SA (making 7 consecutive losses as captain) , 1-4 against Windies, DLF cup - where were the conspirators (read sach, dada) then, Mr Wall? Ur success is more media hyped.
RE:dravid's test captaicy
by Rohit Kanwar on Dec 06, 2007 09:23 PM
Dada's so-called successes are the biggest product of Media hype and nothing else. DADA never won even a single test series abroad against a meaningful opposition. Pakistan 2-1 doesn't count because one victory was earned by Dravid. The best DADA could do was 1-1 results against Zimbabwe (2001), England (2002) and Aus (2003), last two achieved because of Dravid's performances. Rest of the Dada's tours resulted in defeats, insults, and ignominy for India. Srilanka tour of 2001 was the biggest insult, because before that India had never lost a series to Sri Lanka! DADA managed to achieve that also!
RE:dravid's test captaicy
by Suresh CS on Dec 06, 2007 09:14 PM
why do you even want to compare them? Saurav was probably a better Captain but average batsman, especially in Tests. And, Dravid is probably an average Captain but a very good batsman.
RE:dravid's test captaicy
by hindublogger on Dec 06, 2007 09:19 PM
Saha ..do you think a guy with first class average of 43 should be playing Test cricket for India?
RE:dravid's test captaicy
by hindublogger on Dec 06, 2007 09:29 PM
Check out his averages when he was the captain dude ..get out of your hero worship and start seeing things in the right perspective
RE:RE:dravid's test captaicy
by kaushik saha on Dec 06, 2007 09:39 PM
ok, just get his averages from cricinfo in the three series he won as captain - and seeing things in the right perspective also means analysis of the bowling attacks, the pitches etc. btw, this also includes 2 test as captain against bangladesh ( a fact well hidden) and talikng of the Sri lanka series - just check who was the MOm in the only test India won
second - check who all missed that tour due to injury - i believe u will see half of India' regular team missing - sachin, srinath, kumble amongst others
RE:RE:RE:RE:dravid's test captaicy
by kaushik saha on Dec 06, 2007 09:48 PM
still, manages to take wickets, and make breakthrus, unlike some other liabilities (remember misbah's dropped catch, The turning point of the eden test? hehe
RE:dravid's test captaicy
by Ravi Ranjan on Dec 07, 2007 10:31 AM
I really admire what dada has done with his limited abilities. Frankly, after his dismal performance in Ranji Trophy [ 0 and 1 vs. Zaheer Khan] and English county [ 26 runs in 7 games]- his inclusion had a lot to do with failure of Kaif/Raina/Venugopal Rao and long term injury to Yuvraj. That said, he has made the most of his comeback. We can't expect Ganguly to win matches for us or strike a fear in the heart of the bowlers. But if he does not hook short pitch deliveries and puts a high premium on his wicket and keeps scoring 30s and 40s- that's good enough to be in the team. Good luck dada!
RE:dravid's test captaicy
by Ravi Ranjan on Dec 07, 2007 10:31 AM
I really admire what dada has done with his limited abilities. Frankly, after his dismal performance in Ranji Trophy [ 0 and 1 vs. Zaheer Khan] and English county [ 26 runs in 7 games]- his inclusion had a lot to do with failure of Kaif/Raina/Venugopal Rao and long term injury to Yuvraj. That said, he has made the most of his comeback. We can't expect Ganguly to win matches for us or strike a fear in the heart of the bowlers. But if he does not hook short pitch deliveries and puts a high premium on his wicket and keeps scoring 30s and 40s- that's good enough to be in the team. Good luck dada!
RE:dravid's test captaicy
by hindublogger on Dec 06, 2007 09:51 PM
hahaha and Saurav doesnt even attempt for the catches and his gates will be wide open too
RE:dravid's test captaicy
by hindublogger on Dec 06, 2007 09:22 PM
A quota player sneaked into the team with a help of the then board president ..and never cud show consistency in Test matches and was kicked out a a couple of yrs ago ..he smartly changed his loyalty and got back into the team ..he loves to run towards square leg for bouncers .. Do we need such a player to play tests for India?
RE:dravid's test captaicy
by kaushik saha on Dec 06, 2007 09:34 PM
based on ur logic, a person who is right now not performing, scoring runs at measly pace even against pathetic bowling attacks and really has nothing else to fall back upon, should he be kept based on his past performances?
taliking about quaota players, many of them made the india team - dodo ganesh, david johnson, sadgopan ramesh, noel david, tinu yohannan, sujith somasundar, hemang badani etc etc also made the India team (enterd thru the backdoor by Azhar and Vishwanath), but did they survive as long?
this simply shows that anyone who has scored 17,000 international runs really doesnt need backing to be in. if u tell this to a neutral oberver -"india has a player who has 6000 test runs and 11,000 odi runs,100 odi wickets and he is in the team because of politics and quotas" , just watch out for the reaction
RE:dravid's test captaicy
by hindublogger on Dec 06, 2007 09:42 PM
Dude ..its a fact that he got in thru quota and Dalmiya's support. He overcame his limitations to a certain extent with his grit and attitude ..but that truth remains that he was a quota player.There were many others who never got enough chances.. see the likes of Praveen Amre ..he wud have been any day better test player than ganguly ..but never got enough chance despite making hundred against a world class attack on debut on a green top or Amol Muzumdar who was an ideal Test batsman. You guys cant think out of bengal...for you everything starts and ends with Ganguly.Can you tell me on what basis he was made captain when you had Kumble who was the vice captain of Sachin ..if it was not for the Support from Dalmiya?
RE:dravid's test captaicy
by kaushik saha on Dec 06, 2007 10:06 PM
well, with players like nilesh kulkarni, aby kuruvilla, bahutule having made the squad, can the Mumbai lobby really complain - and btw, Amre played in an era where the chief selector was vishwanath, and captain was azhar, so who was responsible for keeping them out? even dravid was brought in a s aquota player in vishwanath's era , an era when another right hander, amol muzumdar was doing well what do u have to say abt that abt bengal, the second highest wicket taker in ranji, utpal chatterjee, never got his due too, azhar making his life miserable to get v raju in . did laxmi shukla get enuf chances? his days came and went when people like hemang badani , kanetkar were pushed in how do u explain venkatesh prasad playing for so long when debashish mohanty / harvinder singh werent given chances to excel?
RE:dravid's test captaicy
by hindublogger on Dec 06, 2007 10:17 PM
Still you wont give up on sourav ..haha Amre played his last match in 94 ..y was Ganguly pushed in ahead of a proven performer like Amre? Why Muzumdar was not slected in 96? Ans. Jaggu Dalmiya. LR Shukla ..what is his ability? he dont even bowl these days. And Mohanty ..how many chances he got?He was utter failure on wickets without seam n swing.. more like Darryl Tyffey.Utpal ..I agree with you ..he was the best left armer in the 90s.Dravid came in on his merits and not thru quota like Ganguly.Ganguly was lucky to have a god father like Dalmiya ..whom he backstabbed 2 yrs ago. Venky did have a pretty decent career.Kuruvilla was leading pacer on the domestic scene for years ..but got his chance only when he was over the hill.
RE:RE:dravid's test captaicy
by hindublogger on Dec 06, 2007 10:03 PM
Same with Deep Das Gupta ..Debang Gandhi ..Rohan Gavaskar ..LR Shukla ..all pushed in by Dalmiya. Subrato Bannerjee and Utpal Chatterjee deserved a longer run ..
RE:RE:RE:dravid's test captaicy
by kaushik saha on Dec 06, 2007 10:11 PM
on the contrary, laxmi shukla was one of india's top performers in ranji at that time and pray, what was noel david, dodo ganesh's achievement? remember dada playig gagandeep singh ahead of shic shankar paul in a bangladesh series? and some people still call him regionalist - jokes andozz
RE:RE:RE:RE:dravid's test captaicy
by hindublogger on Dec 06, 2007 10:18 PM
Noel David ..hashah even am clueless dude ..I remember Shivlal yadav making a comment that he is a better batsman than Vinod Kambli ..and also an alrounder
RE:people doesnt want real game and want just a game to make money kicked sreesant out...
by hindublogger on Dec 06, 2007 08:20 PM
There was an article in rediff saying that he is fit and raring to go at the aussies ..so how come he is unfit.something is fishy here
Its really very sad that Sehwag is not in the 24 even. He would have got a good opportunity to reassure himself as Test Match is the best arena where one gets sufficient time to plan and come to form. He is an experienced player with a number of big scores and should not have been ignored at all.
RE:aus doing special training to tackle sreesanth..........here, bcci selectors ignore him !!!!!!!!!!!
by Rohit Kanwar on Dec 06, 2007 06:33 PM
Dhoni doesn't like Shreesanth. After each ODI against Aus, and also during the T20 tournament, Dhoni was criticizing him a lot. He believes that Sreesanth goes overboard with his tantrums. May be that's why he was dropped! But selectors say that he could not produce a fitness certificate and that's why they didn't select him.
RE:aus doing special training to tackle sreesanth..........here, bcci selectors ignore him !!!!!!!!!!!
by Suresh CS on Dec 06, 2007 08:02 PM
Yeah, I remember. He even went on to say that Sreesanth's beamer on KP was delibarate. I also remember that Dravid said the reason he did not enforce follow on ENG in the 3rd test was coz his bowlers were tired and needed rest. Z Khan said the following day in a press conf that he was not at all tires. This explains the unity in our team.No wonder Dravid resigned after that test, with so much of support from the team members.
RE:RE:RE:aus doing special training to tackle sreesanth..........here, bcci selectors ignore him !!!!!!!!!!!
by uncle shame on Dec 06, 2007 09:20 PM
rohit. but the captain is not dhoni. its kumble who will decide. what is the logic behind dhoni not liking sreesanth here.
RE:aus doing special training to tackle sreesanth..........here, bcci selectors ignore him !!!!!!!!!!!
by Rohit Kanwar on Dec 06, 2007 09:31 PM
Yes, u r right. It really slipped out of my mind that for the tests the captain is Kumble! Then the tale gets even murkier! The bowler says that he is available (at least that's what other bloggers r saying), and the committee says that he is not fit! Is it possible that Kumble also doesn't like Sree? Or could it be Vengy? I am at my wits ends now!
RE:aus doing special training to tackle sreesanth..........here, bcci selectors ignore him !!!!!!!!!!!
by Rohit Kanwar on Dec 06, 2007 09:40 PM
It couldn't be Kumble's input either. Because in this meeting, Kumble was selected as the captain for the Aus tour! So either of the two is valid:
Sreesanth is indeed not fit
or
There is some conspiracy against him by some higher-ups. But is it the board, or the selection committee?
RE:aus doing special training to tackle sreesanth..........here, bcci selectors ignore him !!!!!!!!!!!
by Isaac on Dec 07, 2007 03:47 AM
Even 10dulkar dont like him; for his tantrums, ever since he bowled him in one of the chanllengers and shot into fame, so there must be a conspriracy against this South Indian lad, what;s pity is when everyone in INdia wants to show some aggression and likt the way he plays the team is against him. Feel sorry for this guy but I hope he resolves him and backup his gimmicks with performances.
RE:aus doing special training to tackle sreesanth..........here, bcci selectors ignore him !!!!!!!!!!!
by hindublogger on Dec 06, 2007 08:21 PM
There was an article in rediff which says that he is fit and raring to go.Something is fishy here.Check out the cricket section here ..guess the link is still there
