If Dravid is captain, the ODI result is 2-5 for England win. If Yuvraj or Sauran is captain the ODI result if 4-3 for India. This is well known. Nobody is taking bets on India winning more than 2 ODIs in the coming series. Dravid is 'The Wall' Nobody said that a wall has to have brains or guts. To make a wall captain is really poor choice. Also our wall has no cement. Drop easy catch - poor captaincy - 12 runs from 96 balls = NO PLACE IN ODI TEAM. Same logic was applied 2 years back to Saurav and then to Kaif. Dravid is a Maharashtrian from Karvar and should get full support from Tendulkar and Vengsarkar.
RE:Dravid
by gollapudi nageswararao on Aug 16, 2007 03:15 PM
Oh ! Here comes the Bhavishyavani from Mr. Savio gomes. By the way, why don't you open a shop/ashram for fortune telling. May be you would be better suited for that
RE:Dravid
by jayasimha on Aug 15, 2007 05:57 PM
if any body has no brains it is you--are you a soothsayer to predict--why dont you crawl back to whereever you are --what is your defintion of captaincy? bray like you do?
RE:Dravid
by Ifear paceman on Aug 15, 2007 08:27 PM
Saurav captaincy records are swollen wins on foreign soil 4 against Bangladesh and 3 against Zimbabwe
In case of Dravid 1 aganist Bangladesh
now calculate ..... Stats tell half truth.
yes if we remove those insignificant series then on foreign soil as captain saurav wins are 4 out of 21 and Rahul as captain 4 out of 15.
instead of enjoying tussle between bat and ball these guys want Saurav as captain. Many take different id's and post those hate Rahul messages which I dislike. God knows when they will start enjoying game. Since Saurav was dropped they have spoiled joy of cricket with this false prapoganda. They have spoiled their own joy as well as other cricket fans.
RE:Dravid
by Bango Khota on Aug 16, 2007 09:56 AM
Famous Against Australi in Australia which Saurav Fans always quote.2003-2004 Australia v India - 2nd Test Adelaide Oval
Bowlers that time were, J N Gillespie, B A Williams, S C G MacGill, A J Bichel, S M Katich, S R Waugh
Gillespie How many overs he can Bowl? He is not Zaheer Khan who can not get tired. ODI jo khelna hein. Otherwise somebody can take his place.
Dravid first inning 233 runs Laxman 148 runs. Dada ? 2 mere runs
second inning Dravid 72 sehwag 47 and our great Bengal Paper Tiger 12 runs......
RE:Anti dravid stance
by Sanjeev Verma on Aug 15, 2007 10:25 PM
I think that Dravid versus Ganguly debate is useless. Ganguly was a good captain in his time and now Dravid is doing slightly better job. Also both Dravid and Ganguly are united and that is good for India.
RE:Anti dravid stance
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Aug 15, 2007 12:48 PM
media sucks and dont have anything to show other than nonsense Breaking News.
Instead it would be good if they concentrate on common man's problem and higlhilite them.
Captain is the best man to judge his team mates and he definitely might have consulted his seniors and chief selector who is with the team and cricket manager. sachin, dravid, ganguly, lakshman and Kumble collectively has 600 test match expereince and they can sit and decide upon what is good and what is bad for the team. Who are we to criticise them?
I think it was a collective decision where Zaheer is not 100% fit, Kumble already bowled more than 30 overs and need some rest. Pitch is also very flat and still a good wicket. This was evident by seeing the way England batted on the last Day.
Please stop criticising for the sake of criticism.
Test series win is a win, that too after 21 years.
RE:Anti dravid stance
by Ifear paceman on Aug 15, 2007 04:41 PM
These people are Bongsters taking different name. They have spoiled joy of every cricket lover on one context or other. Reason their favourite is not in the team then now he is not captain. I feel sorry for these people.
RE:Anti dravid stance
by Ifear paceman on Aug 15, 2007 04:49 PM
These commies were supporting chinese during 1962 war. Saying communists can not be aggressors. These people are Bongsters taking different name. They have spoiled joy of every cricket lover on one context or other. Reason their favourite is not in the team then now he is not captain and not likely to be. They try to create rift east west north south, Gujrat,Maharashtra karnataka Tamil Nadu,Andhra, Kerala, Bihar punjab etc for their aim. How childish are their acts? I feel sorry for these people.
Actually all Indians should kill Dravid and then give him posthumously the PAram Vir chakra for winning 1-0. That will keep his fans happy and Saurav's fans happy also. Should do immediately before ODIs start.
RE:Dravid
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Aug 15, 2007 12:13 PM
Man, This is really surprising to hear such statements even after we win a test series after 21 years. Every individual will have both good and bad days. Every body who is commentating and all greats who have seen the way Indian team played and the way Dravid led in this test series, but We indians never stop criticising our captain.
RE:Dravid
by Dicky Varma on Aug 16, 2007 09:08 AM
DRAVID IS A SCARED GOAT....YES ALL CAPTAINS HAVE BAD DAYS, BUT DRAVID MAKES SURE HE HAS HIS BAD DAYS. HE IS A COWARD.
THERE MUST NOT BE A SINGLE INDIAN WHO WILL CHERISH THE SERIES WIN AS MUCH AS THE THIRD TEST WIN. WHEN YOU ARE A SPORTSMAN YOU NEED TO TAKE A FEW CALCULATED RISKS AND NOT PLAY SAFE ALL THE TIME. RIDICULOUS DRAVID. AND THEN HE CONVENIENTLY PUTS THE BLAME ON THE BOWLERS SAYING THAT THEY WERE TIRED. WHAT A FARCE!!!! YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO CRICKET YOU DRAVID.
YOU MANAGED TO MAKE 12 RUNS IN 90 BALLS....DAMMIT WHAT WERE YOU THINKING? WHY DID YOU WASTE SO MUCH TIME? DOESN'T YOUR BLOOD BOIL OR ARE YOU MADE UP OF JUST WATER?
MAYBE IF YOU HAD WASTED LESS TIME, WE WOULD HAVE AN EXTRA 1 HOUR TO LET THE BOWLERS GET THE LAST 4 WICKETS.....RIDICULOUS.....
YOU BRING SHAME TO A TRUE INDIAN CRICKET SUPPORTER.....
He was doing the right thing so far as Indian batsmen are concerened. People forget that even in the test at Trendbridge we lost 3 quick wickets and Dravid had to keep one end tight. Here at Oval also we lost 3 quick wickts.Those who follow Indian cricket know that the Southereners get little support from their Northerens . It may appear dark but it is the truth we speak about and all that saying that 'sub teek hai' are nothing but Bagwas. Dr.V.S.Giri
RE:Comment of present and past players on this victory
by anaida raza on Aug 15, 2007 10:17 AM
great pu it on other thread also where the chicken brain Riky is spitting venom.
if england could batted in third innings..i they would have scored minimum 400 ..
so there is no point barking againest for not imposing follow on!!! this could have been questioned to some extent if england fails within 303..in 4 th innings to ask for the need of indian 2nd batting... now rahul team decision is better...he suspected that it is difficult make england all out within 303..and it is they were 369/6 at the day end. Now Rahul's slow batting!!! now let us take out rahul 12 run and 20 overs that he consumed..in that case engalnd ws suppose to chase 488 in 110 20 overs....here also rahul stands better... I do not know why people act too much on road not taken..it may be 30% correct to impose follown and it is equally correct in otherway and remaining 40% is purely depends on other factors.... people should comment for 30% mistake and compliment for 30% decision..and appreciate for overall series win...but so unfair to blame him like as if though he has done 1000% mistake...infact it was team decision... and also there are some group of people who are spreading unhealthy climate against Rahul... ...
RE:dravid is Right!!!
by Sanjeev Verma on Aug 15, 2007 10:00 AM
I think that the main point is that India has won test series against number 2 test team after 21 years and third time in the history. I guess that Zaheer had sore thigh and that's why follow on was not enforced. This is very clear from the performance of Zaheer in second inning. It can still be debated but the fact remains that India has registered a historic win in England and every Indian should be proud of Dravid and his Team.
RE:RE:dravid is Right!!!
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Aug 15, 2007 12:17 PM
absolutely, This is really surprising to hear such statements even after we win a test series after 21 years. Every body who is commentating and all greats praising the way Indian team played and the way Dravid led in this test series, but We indians never stop criticising our captain.
Captain is the best man to judge his team mates and he definitely might have consulted his seniors and chief selector who is with the team and cricket manager. I always think it was a collective decision where Zaheer is not 100% fit, Kumble already bowled more than 30 overs and need some rest. Pitch is also very flat and still a good wicket. Thsi was evident by seeing the way England batted on the last Day.
Please stop criticising for the sake of criticism.
RE:dravid is Right!!!
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Aug 15, 2007 12:16 PM
absolutely, This is really surprising to hear such statements even after we win a test series after 21 years. Every body who is commentating and all greats who have seen the way Indian team played and the way Dravid led in this test series, but We indians never stop criticising our captain.
Captain is the best man to judge his team mates and he definitely might have consulted his seniors and chief selector who is with the team and cricket manager. I always think it was a collective decision where Zaheer is not 100% fit, Kumble already bowled more than 30 overs and need some rest. Pitch is also very flat and still a good wicket. Thsi was evident by seeing the way England batted on the last Day.
Please stop criticising for the sake of criticism.
RE:dravid is Right!!!
by Ricky Thukral on Aug 15, 2007 09:47 AM
You are so dumb like are captain.Please ask someone sensible around you about what happened in the last test match.
England were 6 down.India needed just another hour to rap up the tail.But you are smart so you wont under stand that.
Dravids mistakes. 1.Not enforcing the follow on. 2.Scoring 11 of 96 balls.
it did not leave india with enough overs to bowl out england. Dravid played for England.
RE:dravid is Right!!!
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Aug 15, 2007 12:20 PM
so wt? you think its mistake and somebody say its a wise decision. every individual has their own opinion.
Captain is the best man to judge his team mates and he definitely might have consulted his seniors and chief selector who is with the team and cricket manager. I think it was a collective decision where Zaheer is not 100% fit, Kumble already bowled more than 30 overs and need some rest. Pitch is also very flat and still a good wicket. This was evident by seeing the way England batted on the last Day.
Please stop criticising for the sake of criticism.
RE:dravid is Right!!!
by anaida raza on Aug 15, 2007 10:19 AM
If this urgency was shown during World Cup2007 against Bangla Desh Match by Saurav Ganguly we would have not lost that match. Dravid tried to recover from 11/3 and though Ganguly played well he could have got out and it would have been 25/4 then what? Dravid tied one end to see shine off the new ball though one too much. This much cricket you should know
RE:dravid is Right!!!
by SumantanNag on Aug 15, 2007 10:41 AM
Dear Raja talk like a mature.In the World cup it were only Ganguly and Yuvraj steadied the innings and made the innings gentle looking. now if you believe in the word of the non-cricketers like niranjan Shah, who can do nothing but only to make false charge against Ganguly , they I can say nothing. But try to understand Dravid as a captain failed to lead the team from front in that match.
RE:dravid is Right!!!
by anaida raza on Aug 15, 2007 11:15 AM
Dear Nag 1) Ganguly should have played faster when required most in World Cup. 2) did Dravid tried to steady innings ? yes he did 3) Was Bangla Desh attack as good as English attack? 4) Then why did Saurav play slowly..View in context of what you people are writing? one false and other true which one suits you.. now go ahead.
RE:dravid is Right!!!
by Bango Khota on Aug 16, 2007 09:57 AM
Famous Against Australi in Australia which Saurav Fans always quote.2003-2004 Australia v India - 2nd Test Adelaide Oval
Bowlers that time were, J N Gillespie, B A Williams, S C G MacGill, A J Bichel, S M Katich, S R Waugh
Gillespie How many overs he can Bowl? He is not Zaheer Khan who can not get tired. ODI jo khelna hein. Otherwise somebody can take his place.
Dravid first inning 233 runs Laxman 148 runs. Dada ? 2 mere runs
second inning Dravid 72 sehwag 47 and our great Bengal Paper Tiger 12 runs......
