Periyar is entitled to his views . If Brahmins dominated the bureaucracy, it is because they were used only for manning bureaucracy. They were not entertained in business / commerce. It was the Mauryan king who entrused Brahmins with the task of pursuing knowledge for the benefit of society. To ensure that they single-mindedly focused on knowledge and its pursuit, he set aside a part of the kingdom and constructed dwelling units for the Brahmins there. Such parts were called "Agraharams". To provide them livelihood, the king arranged essential items to be delivered at their doors, free of cost. At best the Brahmins led a hand-to-mouth existence and they never complained against it. They were not exposed to any other calling / trade . Their requirements have always been austere. Thus, one can also say that Brahmins were kept aloof from other trade/calling/profession by the king for selfish reasons. All said and done, even today one can confidently state that the bureaucracy of yesteryears was way ahead of the present-day bureaucracy in terms of efficiency and honesty. Why this difference? The Brahmins dominated the bureaucracy in the good old days. These days Brahmins do not need bureaucratic openings - there are others who value and respect the Brahmins for their hard work , sincerity and brains. A Brahmin may at best knock off a stapler or a pen from the office but will never seek reversal of roles, i.e., the Brahmin employee will never aspire to usurp his employer's wealth by fair means or foul unlike most other communities; nor is the Brahmin violence-prone, thanks to his "satvik" food and disciplined upbringing. The Brahmin is often envied which manifests itself in a hate compaign against him. Why top business houses like Reliance Industries even today hire only Brahmins for their finance jobs, tell me? Surely it is not for reasons of nepotism? How many Brahmins you find in jails? Not much if you consider the percentage. If Brahmins are a despicable lot, why others imitate the Brahmins and would like to be seen as their equals?
RE:'Periyar was against Brahminism, not Brahmins'
by Vidhyashankar Sathyamurthi on Apr 30, 2007 11:40 AM Permalink
i think you have got it right sumathi! Thanks for voicing out your opinion.
the distinction between brahmins and brahminism is vital. And, people who practise brahminism as lifestyle bring about a positive influence on their environment. It is only fair they are suitably rewarded for the same.
Anybody, who wants to emulate such a lifestyle of austerity,exercises a premium on being process driven, seeks knowledge for the sake of knowledge, believes in satvik food should be a follower of brahminism.
The superiority or inferiority among people is not based on the word 'caste' but should be on 'habits', 'thinking process' and ' applied human values'
As far as Periyar goes, i have never met him and will never meet him. His idealogies probably were an evolved response still relevant today. However, in the name of ' being against brahminism', today what we see is a new set of 'Brahmins'.
In retrospect, he has given brahmins a bad name. It is not his mistake, it is those people who manage politics who are responsible, who are keen to gain mass popularity through quick fix means. It is those people with no real agenda.
RE:'Periyar was against Brahminism, not Brahmins'
by mariappan on Apr 30, 2007 11:20 AM Permalink
My friend well said, but there are a few things i wish to add to it. Your concept of brahmins holds good only when they are not influences by christian/western culture. I know of brahmins who have come under this influence and committed sins that you have mentioned. It boils down to upbringing and to a lesser extent on the satvik food. As for others trying to emulate, Yes, we are plain jealous of brahmins and somewhere in the sub conscious mind would want to be like them. Unfortunately the professions we are in, the upbringing we have had doesnt make it easy to go on satvik diet and thus ends our dream to be like a brahmin. But the dream to become persists and when this dream doesnt get realised, it leads to frustration. And the easiest way to take out this frustration is on the object of your desire, that is brahmins.
RE:RE:'Periyar was against Brahminism, not Brahmins'
by sanjeev sharma on Apr 30, 2007 11:22 AM Permalink
Good words Sumathi... Appreciate your knowledge.
RE:naikar is fool
by reena kulkarni on Apr 30, 2007 10:54 AM Permalink
LOL iyer is a brahmin name...if u cuss brahmins, why borrow their name? lololol even ambedkar is a brahmin name, which dr. ambawadekar (original name) borrowed from his brahmin teacher, the teacher was very kind and did a lot for dr. ambedkar..if u care to know, dr. ambedkar himself wanted reservations to be abolished after 10-15 years...
RE:naikar is fool
by pet fed on Apr 30, 2007 11:16 AM Permalink
Dear reena Kulkarni madam, Dr Ambedkar was renamed by his brahmin teacher when he was studing in high school. At that time Dr Ambedkar not even knowing the meaning of cast system and name differentiation. His Teacher was so kind with him that he never tried to make brahmin out of him but tought humanity. Dr Ambedkar as the word know is because of his highest inteligence and not bec of his brahmin name. He was strong human right champion. Please do not get cought with the work and teachings of Dr Ambedkar and his bramhin name. Bote the issues are different. I also suggest you to read his biography easily available at shops, internet etc. Regards.
RE:naikar is fool
by kumar on Apr 30, 2007 11:11 AM Permalink
Hello Jawahar Peter, Do you SAi Baba. I think you donot know about sai baba, if you know, immediately you definitely leave Jesus, who tells love one side and eats meats of animals. As posters told that he will give cure to all ailments to the pupils. but there was no evidence. He was killed on a cross, by king. There was no evidence wheter he was came back after his death or not. Okay if he came, he came as a soul. But sai baba, taken one of devotee's ailment and he was dead. This incident about 100 years ago. This was evident by then British Doctors. And after 3 DAYS, he was alive with his body. He was a Muslim, but never told if any body follows muslim, then only i save him. There were lacks of incidents that he saved his devotees after his death, even though they are Hindus or muslims. But what jesus done, if you follows christianity then only he will help you. This is absolutely wrong.
I want to tell one thing to Jawahar Peter, that first know about SAi Baba, read books on Shri Sai Baba. Then i can definitely tell that you automatically, known your self that christianity is the root of cause of todays all problems of the world. Ruled by them and these christians are killing lacks of INNOCENT MUSLIMS on the name of terrorism. And i feel definitely, after knowing about Shri SAi Baba, you will leave jesus and come back to hindism.
RE:RE:naikar is fool
by Ajay Eldho Alias on Apr 30, 2007 11:32 AM Permalink
by " Phoneix Poll" u need evidence to believe in ur religion...But christ taught belief and faith without any evidence that which is needed in humanbeings.. i can assure u that u couldnt have believed in SAibaBa if he had not performed miracles ...
RE:RE:naikar is fool
by jawahar peter on Apr 30, 2007 11:24 AM Permalink
isa isa is the mantra the injured muslim fakir iused to chant.bec he believed in isa after reading quran. this became sai baba.so instead of duplicate u belive in original ucan mail me kjpeter@hotmail.com i read more than u on sai baba.
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by shebeer ahmed on Apr 30, 2007 11:39 AM Permalink
Yes we believe in Isa as from Quran and said by Prophet Mohammad .But it is just as a Prophet sent to people of Isreal.So donot spread ur religion by lies
RE:RE:RE:RE:naikar is fool
by jawahar peter on Apr 30, 2007 11:45 AM Permalink
in surah 3:7 God said i gave half truth remainig is mixed up by u oh mauhammaf(pity be upon him).so please read quran again and belive Lord Jesus Christ who is born of virgin with out sin.died on the cross for your sin and my sin.and enjoy the eternal salvation kjpeter@hotmail.com
according to national geography and a research by scieintists--everynone came from ethiopia. So if people atre asking brahmins to leave then they have to leave too. See national geographic story on journey of man:
RE:3% is strong enough.
by Karthik Karthikeyan on Apr 30, 2007 11:02 AM Permalink
This what ever 3% you have told is stronger in terms of intelligence........ before 50 years because of they do not wanted any one to be educated. But because of the EVR Periyar now in that 97%, more than 90% are much stronger than the 3% community.
RE:3% is strong enough.
by Gopala krishnan on Apr 30, 2007 11:12 AM Permalink
Hi, U have to define how long will the caste system be executed. One of the goals of periyar is to eradicate caste system...but what is happening now. Politicians are exploiting lower caste people...
RE:3% is strong enough.
by Ram Sharma on Apr 30, 2007 11:07 AM Permalink
i am a brahmin. but i want to stress that as per swami vivekanand, all people are born equal. those who can concentrate more in their work, excel. i do not think that a person will be intelligent or fool just because he was born in a particular caste.
but reservations on caste basis should be stopped. ambedkar had suggested reservation on caste basis for 10 years, but it is continuing and increasing with time. if reservations have to be there, let it be on economic criteria. why should a rich person get reservation, just because he is from a particular caste?
RE:3% is strong enough.
by Karthik Karthikeyan on Apr 30, 2007 11:13 AM Permalink
If By birth all are equal, then why a baby who born in a rich family in studying in a convent by spending huge money and a poor student studying in a corporation school.
If you see the rural places in India, you hardly find any brahmins.
RE:3% is strong enough.
by raj pathak on Apr 30, 2007 11:57 AM Permalink
thats not the way sree. i m also a brahmin but as i feel equal opportunity should be given to each n every deserving member of the socitey ( most of you will agreenon this. dont u???). But the way our politicians are handling this matter is just heading us for a big social problem in near future. For short term political gains, our leaders are just destroying the social structure. In my opinion we should make education free and compulsoury up to school level for everybody n thn finanical support and necessary training can be imparted to the needy and reservation should be on the basis of economic conditions and not on the basis of the cast, because in todays materiallistic world only one's financial postion or his administrative power (like IAS/IPS/judges etc. ) decides your social status. A poor upper caster is as untouchable to a rich ( be it upper or lower caste)as a lower caster poor. The people who have already benefitted by this reservation system ( in the name of so called social justice ) just want to keep the benefit of this system flowing to their own kids n kins,not to the other deprived section of the society. reservation should be extended only on economical backwardness basis as this is the only parameter in todays society which can define the social status of an individual. I request everybody to come forward and raise their voice to change the system to save our society and country.
RE:3% is strong enough.
by anand shrinivasan ganesh on Apr 30, 2007 10:56 AM Permalink
Ridiculous Sree. Your divisive ideas have resulted in Hindus embracing other religions. See that one India is now split into three countries. Have an inclusive vision. Everything will work out properly.
RE:3% is strong enough.
by arif shaikh on Apr 30, 2007 11:09 AM Permalink
No problems is with the solution. Bigger the problem, bigger is the opportunity and easier is solution.
RE:reservations
by Jeya Shree on Apr 30, 2007 10:48 AM Permalink
IN Indian histry, Brahmins is the first community who got reservation. Please go through history
I am not a Brahmin but I am trying to become Brahmin. How they got good reputation? They have learnt Veda so they adopt many good things from Veda. This is a truth. Politicians want vote. Actually, they don%u2019t want to uplift lower castes. Many lower castes convert to other religion after conversion they got better reputation because they have start learning holy books and they adopt many good things. So we should learn Bhagawat Gita and adopt good things then we will get good reputation. Anybody can become Brahmin 1. Early get up morning and take bath every day 2. Learn Bagawat gita. 3. Avoid non-vegetarian food. 4. Avoid alchohol If we follow these things definitely we can get good reputation in our society. Reservation is not solution for uplifting us. Knowledge is power. Learn, Learn
RE:How to become brahmin
by Mukhtar Ali on Apr 30, 2007 11:01 AM Permalink
If you are not happy with Hinduism, you have options to change to Islam or Christian.Who is stopping you?
RE:How to become brahmin
by anand ganesh on Apr 30, 2007 11:00 AM Permalink
Perfectly. Dear Mulu. Bhagwat Gita itself says that division into four castes in based on qualities and actions(guna karma vibhagaso). It is qualities which makes a person Brahmin. Late Dr. Shrikant Jichkar(a former minister of Maharashtra) was a non-Brahmin. But he learnt the vedas, wore the sacred thread and lived his life the Brahmin-way
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by Balasubramaniam R on Apr 30, 2007 11:20 AM Permalink
yes hindusim and advaitha phylosophy teaches one about a way of life anyone can practice it. Castes were created by politicians to further their ends.
RE:How to become brahmin
by Crazy Human on Apr 30, 2007 11:04 AM Permalink
your sole objective is to finger brahmins it seems. You told you have a Phd and all you do is fingering a community sigh!!!! what is the work you do ?
RE:How to become brahmin
by Jeya Shree on Apr 30, 2007 10:50 AM Permalink
i don't agree with you. Becasue you are educated , you can nto treeat any body lower than you. This was happend with brahmins
RE:How to become brahmin
by Balasubramaniam R on Apr 30, 2007 11:17 AM Permalink
Jayasree u r right is saying that just because someone is educated he/she cannot treat others lower but what about non-brahmins who are rich and powerful who treat others like slaves. Jayasree this world is cruel humans are no differnt from animals case of'survival of the fittest' either with brain or brawn. All this talk of brahmins, forward, backward etc are for political ends and nothing further.
RE:How to become brahmin
by on Apr 30, 2007 11:06 AM Permalink
my parents told I am brahmin. But I don't know abt braminisam. my parents thought me how to live and respect each other. I think braminisam is Discipline.
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by Balasubramaniam R on Apr 30, 2007 11:22 AM Permalink
Just because someone said so you dont beleive it do you. As an educated person you should go futher and seek the real truth by reading the real scriptures. Many people say many things to become powerful and rule others, this is so with brahmins as well as others.
'One of the main reasons why there is an upward trend in the prices of clothes and textiles is that women belonging to the Scheduled Castes (Parachies) have started wearing blouses these days. The reason for growing unemployment in society is on account of increasing number of people belonging to Scheduled Castes (Parayans) taking to school education and higher education'.
'The attempt to promote 'temple entry' and 'abolition of untouchability' by the Congress leaders should not result in the tragedy of people belonging to the backward classes getting reduced to the level of scheduled castes. Instead of attempting to raise the status of Scheduled Castes (Parayans), an attempt should not be made to reduce the status of backward Class (Sudrans) by relegating them to the levels of Scheduled Castes. On no account should the existing status of Sudrans be reduced to the level of Parayans'.
you can find more info here: http://www.tamilnation.org/hundredtamils/periyar/sundaram.htm
RE:''Golden'' quotes of EVR aka ''Periyar''
by Jeya Shree on Apr 30, 2007 10:46 AM Permalink
you are right. But many made people in India, looking for lower caset category to get job
RE:''Golden'' quotes of EVR aka ''Periyar''
by Jeya Shree on Apr 30, 2007 10:54 AM Permalink
Please are ready say that i am lower caste. Becasue people will get benefit from Government. These people are really a lower mind people.
RE:Brahmins deserve to be executed and annihilated.
by Just Me on Apr 30, 2007 10:47 AM Permalink
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/death_of_the_aryan_invasion_theory.htm
RE:Brahmins deserve to be executed and annihilated.
by biz Narayan on Apr 30, 2007 10:48 AM Permalink
Periyar used racial history as was then popular in europe. British power, and lately sickularism spread these racist analysis. The political situation is simillar to the one Hitler had planned for Jews, though the result wouldn't be the same.
RE:Brahmins deserve to be executed and annihilated.
by reena kulkarni on Apr 30, 2007 10:53 AM Permalink
LOL iyer is a brahmin name...if u cuss brahmins, why borrow their name? lololol even ambedkar is a brahmin name, which dr. ambawadekar (original name) borrowed from his brahmin teacher, the teacher was very kind and did a lot for dr. ambedkar..if u care to know, dr. ambedkar himself wanted reservations to be abolished after 10-15 years...
