It is people like Periyar(who is nothing but the earlier Avatar of modern day's cunning politician) who brought in casteism & divsions in the society. I dare anybody who say Periyar as great to teach any of his teachings(like opposing God) to the followers of Islam & see the chaos it will create in the society. They will be hounded & hanged. The only one objective Periyar met in his life is to attack the poor, helpless Brahmins & the othe rupper caste people for no fault of theirs and making their life miserable for ever and reaching and reaping all political gains & benefits at their cost.
RE:Periyar ! A wolf in the sheep's clothing
by True Indian on Apr 30, 2007 12:03 PM Permalink
u r absolutely rite. attacking upper caste n brahmins is an easy way to success in politics n that is exactly wht periyar did . he was a politician. for material gains people can stoop to ne low ....periyar was one in them. and as its writen in the article ...he was a joly good fellow visiting ladies bar....wow luk at this man ....now this man is gona teach people religion .
RE:Periyar ! A wolf in the sheep's clothing
by on Apr 30, 2007 01:05 PM Permalink
if all are equal why you (Brahmins) are not allowing other caste hindus to inside the Temples to touch the statues of GOD , upto this second brahmins only has this right , who gave it to you ? We peoples build the temples and u are controlling it , who this right to you.
RE:RE:Periyar ! A wolf in the sheep's clothing
by rangaswamy soundararajan on Apr 30, 2007 04:58 PM Permalink
Sorry - you are mistaken - not that all brabhmins can enter the sanctum and touch the idols. Only those who have been trained for the job alone can do that-
In India 25% people are uneducated and 60% people not reaching the university level. We need to create quota for the uneducated and less educated people by making them doctor,engineer, lawyer & Extra. I am raising this point today, I will be called as reformer after 100 years
RE:VSHIVAK was against Education, not against Educated People
by Polisetty Ravishankar on Apr 30, 2007 12:06 PM Permalink
On ....... gimme ur mail Id. Need to exchange ideas with you. Want to build nation? then we have to talk...
RE:VSHIVAK was against Education, not against Educated People
by Sivakumar Venkatesan on Apr 30, 2007 12:11 PM Permalink
Ravishankar I will appoint you as Vice President for this reform momemnt, Kindly work in brining more people to support this reform
RE:RE:[object]
by Sivakumar Venkatesan on Apr 30, 2007 12:31 PM Permalink
Bit surprised there is not enough support to me , eventhough I am planning to appoint doctor,engineer and lawyer directly without any education. But remember I am first person to raise this point, that too in 2007 itself and rest will be history.
Can u guys send me a test mail to sairavishanakr_9@rediffmail.com ... .... jus want to make friends. there are very few people who are sensible, intelligent and humane. I will tell you about myself in my mails. ok?
RE:Hey Biz Narayan n On
by biz Narayan on Apr 30, 2007 12:08 PM Permalink
WHile I trust you Dr. Ravishankar, appreciate for saying a good word to me, I am not sure we should be friends. Our friend is the eternal name, the respelendent one, often that is graceful to save us. Let all that with me except Sri Rama modify to reality, with your permission, dear friend, I wish the same for you. I am really a naught, and fear if you will find me less intelligent, less sensible etc later on , but heartfelt thanks for your message and please accept my wish for very good things to you.
RE:Hey Biz Narayan n On
by Polisetty Ravishankar on Apr 30, 2007 12:26 PM Permalink
Thanks Narayan! Can u gimme ur mail id for one time. I need to talk to you. Did you read what Swami Vivekananda told us in the compilations - "To the Youth of India" comon on Narayan
what periyar did not mention that the chaturvarna was first adopted according to the division of work,not on the basis of caste.in history,we would find several intercaste,even inter religious marriage including friendship between different communities-rajput king married a bhil girl,sri krishna was a yadav who married several khsatriya girls,akbar and jehangir married rajput hindus,sri ram had a friend like guhak who was a chandal,laxman got knowledge from ravana when he was in death bed.so ancient india was not full of casteism.jabal stayakam was welcomed by maharishi goutam who termed satyakam as brahmin(satyakam had no registered father),chandragupta maurya got the title from her mother who was a dasi and chandragupta maurya and samrat ashoka were not the representative of upper castes.sufi movement,bhakti movement was against casteism and religious narrowness.sri ramakrishna and swami vivekananda faught against casteism not balming the hinduism alone.so i think periyar missed and crossed the line.he could have mentioned the tolerism of hindus who gave place to other religious groups.there is not a single evidence in the ancient,medieval even in some parts of modern world in the field of religious tolerance in christian and islam country.also hinduism accomodated several different thoughts within a religion-here we have idol worship,nirakar god,even we get atheist philosophy,every person can woeship god in any foem in this religion.hinduism is the only religion which never involved in forceful religious conversion.but pity is that periyar did not mention these positive sides.but sme extent he spreaded a sense of hatred in the name of abolishing casteism.i donot know why.yes upper castes are very much responsible in many cases.but almost all of the great persons are from upper castes who made indians proud by their tallent,dedication not by their caste identity,what periyar also did not mention that many people from upper castes did several social reforms-RAJA RAMMOHAN ROY,ISWAR CHANDRA VIDYASAGAR were brahmin but did sinficant social reform,sri ramakrishna vivekananda also did their best,upper caste personalities were greatly involved in the country's freedom struggle(subhas bose,tilak,nehru ,gandhi ,gokhale,bagha jatin,jatin das,lala ljpat and many names)where the leadership was maintained by them.even the great achiever of tamilnadu-srinivas ramanujam,cv raman was from upper castes.i donot know why he ignored all this.ok,but still he has a place in my mind for his movement for social justice which some extent changed as a movement of hatred at latter stage.
There was fight between Russians [USSR] and Americans after second world war i.e. CAPITALISM vs COMMUNISM. Countries in and around USSR became communists. INDIA was neutral. USSR wanted to make INDIA a communist country. They availed services of MR. EVR. EVR cashed in on the loophole called 'Caste system' to sell India to Russian Philosophy.
This is cheap way to become public finger.These days it is trend by the cheap people and lower cats people to become public finger. abusing Indian and their cast system and region and of course Hinduism.
So, he was basically against Hinduism?
I would say he was against any religion that is anti-human.
What is this ?????????????????????????????????.
i thing he should regularly visit some metal hospital
RE:against Brahmanism (Cheap publicity)
by abcd on Apr 30, 2007 11:54 AM Permalink
Huh, veera - Typos can be corrected but I feel sorry that people with disastrously low IQ (like you, who cant even understand a typographic error) can never be :(
RE:[object]
by srinivas on Apr 30, 2007 12:07 PM Permalink
Dear every one can understand that ..but when u r trying to convey some message to some one it is ur responsibility to say it clearly. What do u mean by "public finger" in his message........ I understood it as "public fingure" otherwise what is this finger doing here... where to keep this...........in your................
RE:against Brahmanism (Cheap publicity)
by jawahar peter on Apr 30, 2007 12:01 PM Permalink
metal finger of nishant mishra who used his brahmin reservation quota for last 2000 years. kjpeter@hotmail.com
RE:against Brahmanism (Cheap publicity)
by jawahar peter on Apr 30, 2007 12:05 PM Permalink
when mishra or a mirza whan go US as software labourares they r concidered as untouchbles in US.so unhone jo india me kiya us karm ka phal bhogte hai.they reap what they sow at the hands of white racists. kjpeter@hotmail.com
RE:against Brahmanism (Cheap publicity)
by bungbumi on Apr 30, 2007 01:14 PM Permalink
Mishraji, You dont seem to have any thing to say at all. Justify your arguments ... else what is the point. Anybody can call anyone else mad or fit to visit an asylum etc. (But that is in no way different from the rantings & ravings of a mentally ill person.) And what do you mean by "abusing ...cast system"; obviously something as obnoxious as the "cast system" must be abused and done away with. In fact your mind set is amply evident when you make reference to "cheap people & lower cast people". Looks like before the cast system is abolished people with your mentality will have to go.
RE:Hindi Chavunism
by Akash on Apr 30, 2007 11:55 AM Permalink
Hindi emerged out of khadi boli not arabic mixed with sanskrit- Khadi boli emerged out of brij, awadhi, persian and sanskrit and yes no one is forcing tamils to speak hindi, Tamil is one of the official languages of India alongside Hindi, When I am writing this I am writing this in English, so the fact is I am bilingual as you might be, in fact I can speak Hindi,English and Bhojpuri and not have prejudice against any other language, in the south they do have prejudice against Hindi, but the northis as you call them don't have prejudice against you, if something happens it is in reaction to what all you say in the south about people from the Hindi speaking areas, It seems as though you want the Hindi speaking people to speak your language, whether it be Tamil or whether it be the language of chauvinism but in either cases I want to assure you we are not like you, we will speak what we prefer to speak and you can speak whatever you like, no one tells you don't speak in Tamil so stop LTTE Politics in India, you are from Tamil Nadu not Tamil Ealam to talk all this nonsense and Hindi speaking people are not Sinhalese whom you are talking against. Finally
RE:Hindi Chavunism
by biz Narayan on Apr 30, 2007 11:53 AM Permalink
He created tamil chauvinism in racial terms, same idiotic political ideas as supposed hindu chauvinism. Defending tamil is done by tamillians, not by these political oppurtinists.
RE:Hindi Chavunism
by Gowri Shankar on Apr 30, 2007 11:59 AM Permalink
Well, someone has got to stop Hindi from wiping Tamil out. I am glad it was not to be. And nothing wrong with loving one's own language.
EVR a believer? That is why he threw chappals at the sanctum sanctorum of temples in South India, insulted the Sacred Books and generally incited Hindus against their own religion, while pandering to his own baser instincts at age 90! Check how this "learned" gentleman entered the IAS - was it through reservation so that he could continue the 'good" work of this antisocial EVR? If EVR was a respectable gentleman who believed in civil public conduct, then I am Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King and Prince Charles all rolled into one! Thanks for the good laugh anyway, mr whoever you are!
Mind by nature is violent. Religion is the concept introduced to regulate mind.In any socieity, there will be some kind of social order one group or other; Most of the people did 't study in India during pre 1980 not because of Brahmin, Parents don't want to send them by saying u will not get any job. I know most of the South people migrate to Mumbai after long 4 years idle period after degree in home by taking all embarassment from Parent & visiting relatives. Govt of that day failed to act & did n't get confidence of the people about education & its benefit. The same with Muslim community & they can't progress unless they educate & give respect to their women. Reservation can't solve their problem.
So, DON'T PASS ALL THE BUGS TO BRAHMIN IN GENERAL.
I see most of the Brahmins are pursuing very humble life & represent soft characters to others except few. Bad face of Brahminism is caused due to economical factors & very few arrogant mind that humiliate others. But every other caste is also doing the same. Anti Brahminsm is the good selling concept for the politician where they are in minority.
People may say Varnam & they have to understand one basic idea. In ur village, if u employ other village people for ur farm work, they will stage dharna. Is it correct? They want to pursue some order based on the people or by group strength. People life itself is the evolving concept there needs to be an control mechanism for the regulation purpose of that day order. U don't apply this day matured(?) mind with century back life.
Do we need to now think Brahminism as the bad idea? Don't confuse the principle with people.
