Who know he is against Brahimns or not but these politicians and media - print /electronic will say that Periyar against the brahminism. It is who made the cast politics. we should understand. Somebody was committed a mistake and next all generation this effect will come how it is correct. If such message will got to Air then there big widen between forward and dalit community. One sided we are talking in all public meetings BROTHER AND SIGHERS but other side we are saying the He[Periyyar] against the Brahmins . If both the community wants to living unitedly but media and politicans spoil the nation in the name of case religion and unncessary trobule wants creat each other.
RE:Politicans /Media will creat the tension among the communities
by Warrior on Apr 30, 2007 01:51 PM Permalink
Well said.Particularly rediff.flashing this article at top of all.
RE:Politicans /Media will creat the tension among the communities
by Warrior on Apr 30, 2007 01:58 PM Permalink
i think mr.suresh u r the own u dont have control on your typing ..cool man.
after a very small gap..redpiff team dug a interview to make..for a road show..watching few hundred of workless junks fighting for nothing. I think there is a small party going on at rediff office.. Humans watch yourselves.
Caste System was the biggest misdeeds of certain corrupt people living in this country.
This caste system split our country in several different parts that it became vulnerable to several foriegn aggressions like the persians, mughals, britishers.
If the society was not divided in these parts, then surely the history and future of this country would have been very very bright.
I have no grudges against branhmins, but I deeply condemn their useless acts which gave rise t casteism in India.
The society was split on the basis of their business, and business was was used to split the society by adding a fake religious ritual of some idiot "Manu".
This manu is the main cause of caste system and congress is taking due advantage of crap manu shastra by further dividing people on basis of reservations
Bull Shit Manu Shastra and Bull Shit Congress Reservation
RE:The Fact of Brahmins
by Prasad Gudipati on Apr 30, 2007 02:20 PM Permalink
Half of what u wrote seems to be out of frustation of failure, rather than based on facts
RE:The Fact of Brahmins
by Gayathri Chakravarthy on Apr 30, 2007 01:58 PM Permalink
Hey Banglorean..nice try but a far cry from truth.. you are simply being judgemental. I am a Brahmin myself but don't go by shastras never understood !! Your anti-brahmin notes reeks of but bitterness.. Divide and Rule did I hear you say - might crack my side with laughter ! Wear a thinking cap - might help even if a bit - and read your own lines.. lets send it to Readers Digest column, so you entertain more than me !
RE:The Fact of Brahmins
by Tapan sinha on Apr 30, 2007 02:07 PM Permalink
Before commenting On Brahmins better know who is a Brahmin from scriptures rather than refering translations made by Britishers or Indians Who have no Knowledge of Sanskrit & Follow British version.
"By birth one is a sudra, by the purificatory process one becomes a dvija, by study of the Vedas one becomes a vipra, and one who knows Brahman is a brahmana."
Bhagavad-gita (18.42 Peacefulness, self-control, austerity, purity, tolerance, honesty, knowledge, wisdom and religiousness %u2014 these are the natural qualities by which the brahmanas work."
Mahabharata (Vana Parva Chapter 180) Yudhisthira explains "A person who possesses truthfulness, charity, forgiveness, sobriety, gentleness, austerity and lack of hatred is called a brahmana."
Maharaja Yudhisthira in Mahabharata (Vana Parva chapter 180) - "If such symptoms are found in a sudra, he should never be called a sudra, just as a brahmana is not a brahmana if he lacks these charactaristics
(Srimad Bhagavatam 7.11.35 If one shows the symptoms of being a brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya or sudra, as described above, even if he has appeared in a different class, he should be accepted according to those symptoms of classification."
Though Modern Brahmins have corrupted the system stating birth is the only criteria on should have proper look at the scriptures
As far Periyar goes he is a victim of premature renunciation (as told in his biography on his site),his propogation of philosphy is nothing but his frustration.Same Stalin& Lenin statues have been broken by fellow russians.
RE:The Fact of Brahmins
by Krishna on Apr 30, 2007 02:13 PM Permalink
Yes. Those are the definitions. Then what are those people who are dividing the country based on caste and region, mind u lot of people on gthis forum as well, what r they? Brahmins or shudraas? i leave the judgement to he individuals.
RE:The Fact of Brahmins
by Rajeevan PM on Apr 30, 2007 01:51 PM Permalink
Hi Mr. you are still living in half a century ago. These slogans were tried and tested. Find something new !! Today brahmins are in no better poisition than any lowercast hindu. Perhaps even lower !!.
If you still feel animosity for the wrong things done by brahmins many decades ago, then it is your sheer inferiority complex!!
Be realistic !! try to achieve something your own than cursing the died caste system !!!!
RE:The Fact of Brahmins
by heramba k on Apr 30, 2007 02:55 PM Permalink
i think your comments on brahminism is completely true as it was proved by your first representative Sankaracharya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE? PLS STOP IT. IF U REALLY BELIEVE IN THE SAYINGS OF PERIYAR PLS STOP IT. IF U REALLY THINK HE WAS WRONG THEN ALSO PLEASE STOP. HE WAS AGAINST THIS CHEAP COMMENT GOING ON FROM BOTH SIDE.
RE:Periyar
by sunil kumar on Apr 30, 2007 01:47 PM Permalink
Hello nitin. Aryan theory is not true. It was a propaganda by British. Even Max Mueller, who initially was hired by British for writing it, later rejected it.
RE:Periyar
by R Sireesha on Apr 30, 2007 01:50 PM Permalink
Hey Nitin, For that matter none of the people who live in India belong here....for your very kind information, Brahmins are the descendents of the Rishis....who then lived in Himalayas, and spread themselves to various parts of the world.
I think you misunderstood history or half knowledged about it. Also, Brahmins are part of dravidians. Tell me one more place in the world (other than with Indian roots) which has brahmins. Reread the history and try understanding it.
RE:Periyar
by Tapan sinha on Apr 30, 2007 02:17 PM Permalink
The term Aryan refering to race was connoted by Max Muller & British Indologist who were agents of British to make Indian pople reject their own culture & religion & accept their religion. They ridiculed Puranas as being Mythological Stories when in infact They are Histories. They never used the same "mythological" word to their Biblic stories . u can refer to this article to remove ur doubts Demise of the Aryan Invasion Theory By Dr.Dinesh Agrawal at http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/aryan/aryan_agrawal.html
Mr. Naiker's ideas were full of contradicions. He fought for his personal interests and fame !! The social changes were bound to happen and not because of Mr. Naikers.
He can be well judged by his remarks against his mother's death. A total Hipocrat.
RE:Hippocracy
by Vijay Kumar on Apr 30, 2007 01:53 PM Permalink
hi rajeevan i guess u dont know the life history of periyar and the interview is just a part of his thoughts. He never fought for this personal fame. Before he started to remove the social contradictions, he held 29 govt posts which is listed in the interview. You must not aware of the power that he enjoyed by holding the post. He literally throws everything.
He is a big millionare also.
No social things will happen as is until unless if somebody takes the charge. As of rang de basanti, either u need to keep the things going as is or guts to change it of your course.
He had the guts to change the things and he did that.
He never say that he is right and everything is right in front you. You must think and rethink yourself and take the good one
hi all, imagine a day without brahmins(3%) in India 1) the temples will be deserted 2)none will be there to understand vedas and other sacred texts 3)the last bastion of hinduism falls
before u are all out to destroy an existing systems do u have an alternative in place ???
how many of us know SANSKRIT --hindu holy language??? how many of us know vedas,upanisahds or brahma sutra,bhavad gita???? how many of us know even the meaning of one single sloga's atleast gayatri mantra???
yet most brahmins knows all the above
brahmins and non-brahmins had all these thins in common 1) same syllabus from alphabets to higher education 2)same 24 hours per day 3)we had in addition reservation
but still brahmins excel and defeat us in education and other departmemts
we just lament and cry that that 3% dominates us ..why dont we have a constructiive analyisis as HOW AND WHAT IS THE STRENGTH OF TOSE BRAHMINS???? because they not but their caste but by actions defeat us brahmins are 1)extremely god fearing 2) never a day passes by without leaning vedas or atleat reciting mantras 3) wake up early in morning (brahma mugruta ) and concentrate on studies 4) rarely uses bad words but we ?????
it has become a fashion now a days to exploit and blame brahmins for all the ill wills and our shor comings
first become a brahmin by your action and fight dead on against brahmins against their strengh and defeat them --but not using these cheap reservation .....
u dont become brahminby birth but only by process ---do it first
ROME WAS NOT BUILD IN A DAY --so was the brahmin community --they struggled,dedicated their lives and they rule .... fight straight and accept that we have a lot to learna and achieve .....
RE:A day without Brahmins
by Vijay Kumar on Apr 30, 2007 02:03 PM Permalink
Periyar idea is not a day without brahmins But his thoughts are DAY WITHOUT BRAHMINISM.
You still need to read the interview one more time.
1. Everyone can become preist by knowing the vedas and passed the prescribed exams. tamil nadu government passed the law in past. Unfortunately it is suppressed.
2. Sanskirt is not the holy language. If the vedas is in sanskirt, then is it holy??? It is a dead language accordingly to a study and not even 1% of the indian community use this language.
3. Is the same social rights exert for both brahmin and non brahmin? Is the same oppourtunity is given to both of them to study? In the same vedas, those you hail jus now has the wording like these "those who are not brahmins has not right to study or hear the vedas. If unfortunately he heard the vedas, jus boil the the metal and pour it to their ears" do u want me to post similar wordings from the VEDAS
4. do you think only brahmins are god fearing? no other else..
Rome may not built in a single day. Like the suppression of backward people also not built in single day. It started from vedic period and it continues till today.
Only persons like periyar came to street to fight against these this
RE:A day without Brahmins
by praveen kumar on Apr 30, 2007 02:09 PM Permalink
@vijay, pls understand i have very clearly mentioned in my post that " u become brahmin by ur actions but not by birth " ...all i wanted is to understand how they excel than us by virtue of their ingrained discipline and keen planning ...
yes indeed SANAKRIT is a holy language ,have u ever thought of learning sanskrit ???? how will u perform puja's for gods ???i dont thing so all the mantra's are available in tamil langauge ....... the crusx of my post is before u blame Brahmins learn what made them perfect ...learn how that minute 3 % community won the rest of 97% ...u canlearn a lot from ur adversary than ur friend .....
RE:A day without Brahmins
by Kumar Nair on Apr 30, 2007 02:03 PM Permalink
You are a poor boy. If hellis there I am very sure that these brahmins will be there only. No doubt at all. That much cruels they had made to the ordinary peoples of India. Dear Idiot if you get a chance to learn sanskrit, u can learn it.
I think this is enough for you.
One more thing the time is not far that these Brahmins will beg in the road one day.
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by praveen kumar on Apr 30, 2007 02:13 PM Permalink
@kumar nair, the day brahmins beg in street there will be last days of hinduism ....before u destroy that community prepare or dedicate ur live for the service of god which brahmins are doing for generation..do this and happily destroy brahmins ...now go and hide behind reservations ..thats the highest thing u can do ....
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by Ganpat on Apr 30, 2007 02:20 PM Permalink
Hey Praveen... No need to answer to these idiots when they cannot understand your point. I appreciate your comments...
RE:A day without Brahmins
by Anand veeradurai on Apr 30, 2007 02:00 PM Permalink
So Called by your mother that you have born to only one father. you please watch the movie and know the facts..... the people who dont give food and water to humans are not fit to take breath of this land, you understand this first.
RE:RE:A day without Brahmins
by Rdhakrishnan Venugopalan on Apr 30, 2007 03:53 PM Permalink
Dear Anand Veeradurai U are writing about your family ? How will it be ? Just Imagine if you have doubt about your mother!! This is a independent country and people have right to express opinion.So better think twice before writing some shit here. Hope i have clarified you.
RE:A day without Brahmins
by praveen kumar on Apr 30, 2007 01:56 PM Permalink
@suresh i think atleast till 12th education is free in India and who is stoppin u from getting colege degree ...when did brahmins had guntass in their command ..dont jsut give some lame reasons for ur poor performance ..strive hard and fight ..edcuation is the elixir for all illwills ...that is the secreat of brahimns ...
Unless you voluntarily repent & rectify your (parents & ancestors) sins, life is going to be difficult for you in India. Check your plight at http://specials.rediff.com/news/2007/apr/16sl1.htm
