Only SHUDRAS (Harijans) have built all the temples all over India. These Brahmins never carried a stone or brick on their shoulder or bead. Till he completes the constructions of the temple, a Shudras hard work is required. But once the work completed these Brahmins branded these workers as Shudras and after that they cannot even enter the temple and devised for the above mentioned remedies and punishments, if they go nearer to the God statues in the temp le.
According to the Puranas, to become a King or Administrator one should be Brahmin. To become a Brahmin, one must take 4 births. But now many low caste people are Chief Minister without the 4 birth? This itself shows these Puranas are the .false books. created by the Brahmins to fool you.
RE:Know the Fact
by Chandu on Apr 30, 2007 02:44 PM Permalink
come on Bangalorean, don't throw out your half cooked stories here..you must be under the influence of some X'ian missionaries who are experts in tarnishing hinduism.
The foundation stone of hinduism (Ramayana and Mahabharatha) were written by two so called 'harijan' saints (Valmiki and Vyasa) and it is with Valmiki, Sita spend her most difficult times. Vyasa was the son of 'matsyagandhi' (fisher folk). There were no untouchability prevailing in hinduism then. So when did hinduism started decaying with issues like untouchablity, only a few centuries back when the brahmins regained power from the budhists during the 6th and 7th century. Read and analyse things properly before you key in some bull shit here.
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by rationalbeing being on Apr 30, 2007 02:49 PM Permalink
THANKS A LOT YOU HAVE MENTIONED THE WRITERS OF THE TWO GREAT INDIAN EPICS WERE WRITTEN BY VYASA AND VALMIKI WHO WERE FROM LOWER CASTES.I WANT TO ADD BRAHMIN SANKARACHARYA BOWED BEFORE VYAS,VYAS IS CONSIDERED THE MOST SUCCESSFUL MUNI IN HINDUISM INSPITE OF BEING A CHILD OF FISHERMAN COMMUNITY.
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by dmk on Apr 30, 2007 04:07 PM Permalink
In tamilnadu sankaracharya was under arrest for the reason of killing a person named Shankara raman.
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by rationalbeing being on Apr 30, 2007 02:57 PM Permalink
so u r living 2 thousand years back,i have not wirnessed such type of incident.
RE:Know the Fact
by dmk on Apr 30, 2007 04:06 PM Permalink
ok gaining power from budhist what brahmins did, they created partion in the name of birth , beacuase brahmins only we peoples are cleaning toilets , human waste are crried by humans itself , modern metropolis too it continues , 100% office boys and house keeping persons all are from SC/ST , is there any Brahmins ?
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by rationalbeing being on Apr 30, 2007 02:55 PM Permalink
you are spreading hatred sir,what mr chandu said that casteism is not the whole story and the fact which is being raised that brahmin did not pay respect to lower castes is also partial truth,so they should not be blamed .if they have respect and tolerance then they must have the right to exist.but todays dalits and so called obcs are proving to be the most intollerent people who are not suitable.correct yourself before accusing others.
RE:Know the Fact
by Vaempuli V on Apr 30, 2007 02:41 PM Permalink
Did the Kshatriyas, Vaishyas etc etc carry stones for building temples? Did they treat the dalits anyway better? Were the rulers sleeping when the brahmins were doing wrong? Hell No. It suited them. Now brahmin baiting suits them and the chameleons have turned colours.
RE:Know the Fact
by rationalbeing being on Apr 30, 2007 02:46 PM Permalink
EVER NATION AND EVERY RELIGION HAS ITS OWN MYTHOLOGY MAY BE THAT INDIAN MYTHOLOGY HAS BEEN WRITTEN BY THE BRAHMINS.THE RELIGIOUS BOOKS AND SHASTRAS IN OTHER RELIGIONS WERE WRITTEN BY THE CLOSED AND NEARER PEOPLE TO THE PREACHERS OF THE RESPECTIVE RELIGION,ALL THE PEOPLE FROM SOCIETY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO WRITE SCRIPTURES IN OTHER RELIGIONS ALSO.THE GREAT BOOK -GITA WAS WRITTEN BY SRIKRISHNA WHO WAS A YADAVA(OBC).
READ WHAT WE WANT TO IGNORE what periyar did not mention that the chaturvarna was first adopted according to the division of work,not on the basis of caste.in history,we would find several intercaste,even inter religious marriage including friendship between different communities-rajput king married a bhil girl,sri krishna was a yadav who married several khsatriya girls,akbar and jehangir married rajput hindus,sri ram had a friend like guhak who was a chandal,laxman got knowledge from ravana when he was in death bed.so ancient india was not full of casteism.jabal stayakam was welcomed by maharishi goutam who termed satyakam as brahmin(satyakam had no registered father),chandragupta maurya got the title from her mother who was a dasi and chandragupta maurya and samrat ashoka were not the representative of upper castes.sufi movement,bhakti movement was against casteism and religious narrowness.sri ramakrishna and swami vivekananda faught against casteism not balming the hinduism alone.so i think periyar missed and crossed the line.he could have mentioned the tolerism of hindus who gave place to other religious groups.there is not a single evidence in the ancient,medieval even in some parts of modern world in the field of religious tolerance in christian and islam country.also hinduism accomodated several different thoughts within a religion-here we have idol worship,nirakar god,even we get atheist philosophy,every person can woRship god in any foRm in this religion.hinduism is the only religion which never involved in forceful religious conversion.but pity is that periyar did not mention these positive sides.but sOme extent he spreaded a sense of hatred in the name of abolishing casteism.i donot know why.yes upper castes are very much responsible in many cases.but almost all of the great persons are from upper castes who made indians proud by their tallent,dedication not by their caste identity,what periyar also did not mention that many people from upper castes did several social reforms-RAJA RAMMOHAN ROY,ISWAR CHANDRA VIDYASAGAR were brahmin but did signficant social reform,sri ramakrishna vivekananda also did their best,upper caste personalities were greatly involved in the country's freedom struggle(subhas bose,tilak,nehru ,gandhi ,gokhale,bagha jatin,jatin das,lala ljpat and many names)where the leadership was maintained by them.even the great achiever of tamilnadu-srinivas ramanujam,cv raman was from upper castes.i donot know why he ignored all this.ok,but still he has a place in my mind for his movement for social justice which some extent changed as a movement of hatred at latter stage.
RE:Know the Fact
by Sunil Kumar on Apr 30, 2007 02:32 PM Permalink
Great, Brahmano ki to waat lagadi tumne...these oppurtunistic brahmins try to manipulate everything which suits them...now who cares these brahmins....they are itself fighting for their existence...Bhagwan has really punished them for their deeds..
I have this big doubt about reservation.Can anyone enlighten? If 100% of position is shared by as in the following order, then who is going to suffer the most.
25% SC,ST,PHYSICALLY disabled. 26% OBC 49% FC.
If you see the reservation with respect to population, i think it is not subjet of great concern for anybody.
RE:Reservation
by Gans on Apr 30, 2007 02:34 PM Permalink
No % is *reserved* for FC. It is called "open quota". Anyone who gets that many marks (cutoff marks - its called) irrespective of class will be given under that quota
RE:Reservation
by rationalbeing being on Apr 30, 2007 03:01 PM Permalink
the general category does not mean fc or upper castes it is the place for all irrespective of socio-religious identity,pl try to understand.
I never believe in artificial caste-based divisions in our society. As regards Periyar who used to eat beef in public meetings in order to show his contempt for Hinduism or Brahminism, I must say that I find his views quite bizarre. His interpretation of Indian history and the growth of castims was also deeply flawed, if not worse.It is better to keep him confined to pages of history than resurrect his ideas.
Today country India doest have any binding factors.
Only in somecases we are united.
One is Hinduism from Kashmir to Kanyakumari, Kutch to Kohima we have Hindus.
The Other is Cricket, unfortunately it conists of bunch of loosers.
So we are as divided as one can imagine wildest.
So nurture the diversity and encompass every aspect of diverse nature.For that one need great saga of admiration and eminence. But we dont leader like Periyar to stimulate our sleeping conscience.
RE:What is India?
by Jaganniwas Iyer on Apr 30, 2007 02:50 PM Permalink
Declare your name like we do and don't hide behind the cloak of a single initial, before heaping abuse on Hinduism. And thank your lucky stars that you live in a Hindu rashtra.
Periyar has been described as an atheist, anti-Hindu, rationalist, and of course a social reformer too. After doing extensive research on him and making a film on him, what do you say is Periyar's relevance today? The main reason why I decided to make a film on Periyar is because I feel he was and is misunderstood . . . . AND YOU DON%u2019T KNOW THAT MORE AND MORE YOU TALK, MORE AND MORE YOU CONFUSE OTHERS . . MORE YOU READ MORE YOU GET CONFUSED . .. I am not saying he was not an atheist; he was. He was also against religious superstitions, caste, etc. One of the objectives of my films is to show the other facets of Periyar; in fact, he was a multi-faceted personality . . . . . WHICH PART OF PERSONALITY? He lived till he was 95, and the history of Tamil Nadu moves with him. I feel his philosophy and social reforms are more relevant today than earlier. DO U KNOW THAT AT LEAST IN TAMILNADU ITS BEING REVERSED BY PEOPLE LIKE KARUNANIDHI? ON THE SAME NAME- CALLED PERIYAAR! His number one enemy was caste and today, we see only caste politics in Tamil Nadu. The greatness of Periyar was in his humanism . .. . WELL I ACCEPT You said he was an original thinker. Can you elaborate on his original ideas? His ideas about women (WHAT? ANYTHING NEW- PLEASE TELL ME FRIENDS AFTER SEEING THE MOVIE), caste and communism were very original . His ideas on women were far ahead of today's feminists. He said the subordination of women was because they gave birth to babies. He said unlike the man, from the moment the baby started growing inside a woman, her thought process changed. According to him, man and woman become unequal from that point onwards. He spoke about equality even in those days but in a different way. . . .DO YOU REMEMBER PAMELA BORDES? SHE SAID- MEN REMAIN IN SIDE WOMEN FOR 9 MONTHS AND KEEP TRYING TO ENTER AGAIN FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE! He also had a strong opinion on thali (mangalsutra). He said thali should not be worn by a woman at all . . . .BETTER NOW A DAYS- WE CAN HAVE LESSER HEART BRAEKS AT LEAST ON THE ROADS! It is said he was not exposed to Western writings. What could have triggered off such opinion on everything when he had everything going right for him in life? My film tries to find answers to questions like that. My reverence for him is because of that. He never suffered in life. Still he became a reformer, an original one at that. That is why we call him Periyar. . . .WAS IT BECAUSE THE GREATNESS OF HIS IDEA? WAS IT BECAUSE OF ORIGINALITY OF HIS IDEA? WAS IT BECAUSE OF POLITICAL SUCCESS OF HIS IDEAS? He was a Naikar, a royal caste and came from a very rich family in Erode. His father was a merchant. They owned around two-thirds or three-fourths of the area. But he studied only up to the 4th standard. When he was young, he was a debonair person. He had a happy married life too. So, he had no compulsion to be a reformer. But if you look at history, you will see that most of the reformers suffered . . . . DO YOU RESPECT HIS CASTE AT LEAST? IS NOT HIS CASTE IN THE LIST OF BACKWARD CASTE? I have read that when he was in Kashi, he was not given food because he was not a Brahmin, and that was the reason why he turned against the caste system. Is it true? Yes, this incident happened in his life but I will not say that was the only reason why he turned against the caste system . DO YOU KNOW THAT SUBHASH CHANDRA BOSE AND VIVEKANANDA WERE ALSO NOT GIVEN WATER AT KASHI? WHY DOES U ASK THE BRAHMINS TO SERVE WATER I SAY SPECIALY WHEN GANGA IS OVERFLOWING? TODAY YOU WILL NOT FIND SOMEONE TO GIVE YOU WATER IN DELHI. WHY? BECAUSE 50% OF POPULATION THERE FEEL THAT THEY R FROM THE WOMB OF THE QUEENS OF INDIA. KASHI HAS BEEN CULTURAL CAPITAL- PEOPLE DESERVED THE PRIDE. AND WE NEED TO BRING THE PRIDE BACK. IT WAS NOT BRAHMIN- IT WAS THE PLACE! His life itself is quite interesting. He was a jolly good fellow who used to visit dance bars. Then he became a successful businessman. That way, he understood the government and how it functioned. At one time, he was holding 29 decorative posts in the government. So, his personal experiences, the decorative posts and his closeness to the bureaucracy helped him understand the system completely. Later on, he declared that he would not accept any government posts. That was why when he was offered the chief minister's post, he declined . . . .AND AS HE GAVE THE POST TO ANNA DURAI HE BECAME %u201CPERIYAAR%u201D- TAKE IT FROM ME- THERE WAS NO THER REASON FOR HIM TO BECOME PERIYAAR THAN GIVING CHIEFMINISTERSHIP . . . He himself said he had three lives; first, it was that of a happy go lucky young man, then as a businessman and finally as a public person . . . AND THE 4TH ONE GIVEN BY WOMENISERS LIKE TODAYS TAMILNADU POLITICIANS- OF A PERIYAAR! Can we call it renunciation of power and money? No, he did not renounce anything. He was a practical man. He told people all the time that they should save money. You will also see that all his followers are successful businessmen. I don't think you will see a person like Periyar in India. He was not only different, he was mystical also . GOOD TO KNOW THAT Was it because he was so intelligent that he could have original ideas about so many issues? It was not because of intelligence but because of humanism that he became Periyar. The dominant factor in his life was human values. But somehow, he was misunderstood. There is a proverb in Tamil, if you want to kill a dog, you give it a bad name and then kill it. Names like atheist, anti-Hindu, anti-God, etc are used against him to ignore him. But you should know why he is anti-God . WHO HAS UNDERSTOOD HIM? YOU? GO AND WASH YOUR FACE. Why is he anti-God? He said, 'There is no God. He who created God is a fool and he who spreads his message is a scoundrel'. On the other hand his family, especially his mother, was very religious. Periyar became anti-God because he felt God was against man. He felt the single factor that was against man in India was caste, and caste came as a part of the religious system. So, he denounced religion. He said I am against caste, and whoever proposes caste. God comes with religion, so, he was against God also . . . MY BOTTOM BRINGS DIRT- I WANT TO CHOP IT OFF So, it was basically the human element that made him an atheist and anti-God. But he was as well read on religious texts as any other religious head. In his case, he picked up the loopholes in the texts . CAN WE LIVE WITHOUT GOING AGAINST ANY ONE? So many big leaders were atheists and agnostic. Nehru was an atheist. He was not bothered about God. Kamaraj also was agnostic. He felt Hindu religion was against equality . . . AND IN THE SERIES I AM ALOS AN ATHEIST So, he was basically against Hinduism? I would say he was against any religion that is anti-human . HINDUISM AND ANTIHUMAN! THEN HOW DID HE LIVE? But was he not anti-Brahmin? He was against Brahminism . . . KARUNANIDHI PATRONISES RAVANA WHO I KNOW WAS A BRAHMIN . . SO PROVED . . . Was he against Brahminism because of their supremacy in Hinduism? The Brahmin community claimed to have a hold on all the sastras and texts. Because they created such a divide, he was against it. He was against dividing humanity in the name of caste. According to him, that is the biggest crime in the world. He was not against anything blindly; he had logical reasons to everything. He also differentiated between Brahmin and Brahminism. He had an excellent relationship with Rajaji who was a Brahmin but he was vehemently against Brahminism. According to him, reciting of the mantras is a mercantile activity. That was why he fought to make non-Brahmins and harijans poojaris (priests). He wanted priests from all communities and said it should not be the monopoly of one community alone. If he was anti-God and anti-temple, why should he fight for this? He wanted social justice. According to him, God should be equal to everyone. No other leader in any part of India fought for social justice like Periyar did, not even in Kerala. That is why only in Tamil Nadu, you had a non-Brahmin movement . . . . . MY GRAND FATHER NEVER READ- HOW WILL HE MASTER THE TEXTS OF RELIGION BUT I HAVE HEARD OF BALMIKI- DO U KNOW? But didn't that one particular community in Tamil Nadu become victims of the movement? His question was, why should 97 per cent of the people be under 3 per cent? The condition in 1925 was, out of the 23 gazetted officers from Tamil Nadu, 22 were Brahmins. Out of the 7,680 doctors and advocates, 5,452 were Brahmins. So, his question was, why should 3 per cent occupy more than 80 per cent of the posts? What was the social life of the 97 per cent? If there is social justice in Tamil Nadu today, it is all because of Periyar and his movement. No other state can talk of such social justice. Because of him only the first constitutional amendment on reservation came . . . I THOUGHT IT WAS AMBEDKAR! WELL DID THAT SOLVE THE PROBLEM? DID BRAHMIN BECAME UNTOUCHABLES? NO! THEY R STRONGER TODAY. AND OUR LEADERS OF SOCIAL JUSTICE DO LICK THEM- BUT IN THE DARKNESS! Reservation is based on caste, and he was against caste. Why did he then support caste-based reservations? Yes, he fought for caste-based reservations. He felt unless social equality is achieved, you can't have reservation based on economics status. His main aim was to bring about social justice where Brahmins and Dalits had equal status socially . . . . DOES ANY ONE KNOW WHAT EQUALITY MEANS- EQUALITY WILL COME WHEN WE WILL HAVE EQUAL MENTAL POWER WHICH COMES BY EQUAL THINKING- WITH SUPPORT U WILL NEVER BE EQUAL- DID AMBEDKAR GET RESERVATION? OR FOR THAT REASON K.R.NARAYANAN? In 1928, he started a movement called self-respect movement . MY OWN CASTE PEOPLE DON%u2019T RESPECT EVEN NOW At the entrance to the conference, it was written, widows and those who are branded as prostitutes are welcome. He always respected women . . . GANDHI JEE RESPECTED- TO KEEP THEM CLOSER- LIKE A KEPT When he married his second wife, a young woman, there was a lot of opposition.. Yes, it is a fact. According to him, it was a different kind of relationship and he won the battle. Many went out of the party because he married this woman but the party survived. Periyar openly said that he was not marrying her for sex . . . THAT%u2019S WHY KARUNANIDHI TOO MARRIED TWICE . .. BLOODY ALL RASCALS She was from Vellore and was fascinated by his ideas. Her father also was a follower of Periyar. One day, she went to Periyar and declared that she would be with him. He tried to throw her out but couldn't. She was with him like an attendant. Even his enemies say that without Maniammai, he would not have lived that long . . . SEEE THAT%u2019S WHAT SECOND WIFE DOES TO YOU- PLEASE GO AHEAD . . THAT%u2019S HOW U RERSPECT UR FIRST WIFE- MIGHT BE A WIDOWER! He was quite frank when talking about even his parents. After his mother died in her nineties, he wrote, 'She should not have lived that long. Because of the backwardness of her ideas, she was not a fit person to live long'. Can you think of anyone talking like that about his own mother? . . . YEA- THAT SHOWS THE BACKWARDNESS OF THE SPEAKER WHO DOESNOT UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF HUMAN LIFE- NO WONDER %u2018ANTI BRAHMIN ARMY%u2019 WAS BUILT UNDER HIS NOSE. You mean he could detach himself from even his own mother and analyse her objectively? I feel these are the things we should be highlighting about Periyar and not the tags, anti-God, anti-Brahmin, etc. Those are just peripheral things. These descriptions are highlighted because people who are affected and people who are very eloquent are at the top, and they are all Brahmins . . . . SORRY I AM NOT Even today? Even today, to a very great extent. I am not blaming them but that is the fact of life. When he was branded as anti-God, women would despise him as they didn't like anyone who was against God. So, you could alienate and antagonise 50 per cent of the population . . . I THOUGHT U SAID HE HAD DIFFERENT IDEAS ABOUT WOMEN . . SECOND MARRIAGE . . .AND U R GIVING ANOTHER REASON FOR LADIES TO GO AWAY FROM HIM?????? Although Rajaji persuaded him to continue to be in the Congress party, he refused. Was it because the Congress was a party of Brahmins? Yes. He wanted the Congress to accept social justice. That was why he came out of the Congress. It is very important to note that what he said in the 1920s has become very ordinary today. He joined the Congress because of Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi only. He had this very famous big argument with Gandhi and Periyar said, 'Gandhi lived in a fool's paradise and believed that men are all good'. According to Periyar, men are not good. He looked at everything from a practical point of view. When Gandhi accepted that there were problems in our religion, he cautioned Gandhi that if he tried to change his religion, he would be killed one day. He said that in 1928. That was the kind of vision he had . . . . I SAY BOTH OF THEM WERE EQUAL FOOLS He made a visit to Russia. Did communism play an important role in his public life? Joseph Stalin was ruling Russia when he visited it. Periyar was influenced by communism and it lead to a very important phase in the history of Tamil Nadu. It is said that if he had continued his support to the Communist Party, the history of Tamil Nadu would have been different . THAT%u2019S WHY THERE IS ONE STALIN HERE. You mean Tamil Nadu would have been another Kerala or West Bengal? Yes. He moved away from the political aspect of communism and concentrated only on the social aspect of communism. He said as far as the economic policy was concerned, he was with communism . . . .AND HE DIDI NOT KNOW THAT IMPORTANCE OF MONEY IN SOCIAL LIFE . .. BUT HE FOLLOWERS DID KNOW THAT . . .NOW SEE THEM .. Are you a follower of Periyar? No, I am not a follower of Periyar. But I am a very great admirer of Periyar. You cannot make a film on him without admiring him. I may not be following his ideas in toto but I value his contributions to society and original thinking. Now let me go back to your first question where you gave so many descriptions to Periyar. I am making this film because he was misinterpreted. I feel the greatness of Periyar will not be gauged by such interpretations . . . .OH! SO ALL THIS FROM IN SIDE THE AC ROOM! GO MAN TRY THE SUN. NOT TO THE FILM MAKER- TO THE GREAT PERIYAAR TO WHOM I BOW MY HEAD THE GREAT MAN BUT RUBBISH MIOPIC FOLLOWERS AND HE TRAINED THEM- SO DAMN TO HIM
RE:point to point
by rationalbeing being on Apr 30, 2007 03:13 PM Permalink
MANISH I ACCEPT YOUR THOUGHTS IN MANY POINTS,BUT MY THINKING IS THAT KARUNANIDHI FAVORS RAVANA AS MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE HE WAS A DRAVIDIAN.RAMMOHAN ROY,VIDYASAGAR DID NOT SUUFER FROM CASTEISM BUT THEY ACCELERATED SOCIAL REFORMS.RAMAKRISHNA ACCEPTED LOWER CASTE DISCIPLES.BUT THEY DID NO ACCUSE BRAHMINS SPECIALLY TO AVOID HATRED.
RE:point to point
by heramba k on Apr 30, 2007 02:50 PM Permalink
Mr. Manish Kumar, One suggestion! Kindly go to school or private tuition and learn English first! Then you try to write A,B,C in English! If time permits, then you do criticise! Regards, Valluvan R.D.
RE:Enough
by kraft on Apr 30, 2007 02:45 PM Permalink
Who r u to talk about India or Hindus? Born and Brought up to Hate the Brahmins and perpetuate the caste system to corner all the Political Benefits without working for it! The Forward castes are Forward Looking and they dont hate anybody. That is why they are there! Even 10 Generation of Hatred by "m" and his Friends will not make them backward.
Periyar's message to the public is nothing but bull shit. He started speaking bad about Bhramins only to gain popularity among Sudhras i.e. Minority. It is only because of people like Periyar who brought reservations to India and have not made India progress. The good thing is that they have not brought reservations to Public toilets. I wish that the Periyar film should be a BIG FLOP.
Who made the Brahmin the high caste? The Puranas and Vedas say that the Brahmins were created by Brahma from big head and therefore they have the right to belong to that group. To they are people of high caste. Well, it sounds very logical convincing and acceptable but, who wrote the Puranas and Vedas? There any proof or authenticity as to their Origin? Or did it come from high above? It would be very interesting if you take little trouble to find out who was in fact behind these books and what was their motive in writing them?
We are living in the 21st century where science and technology has advanced unprecedently. However, in some parts of India, even today a low caste Hindu cannot pass on a street from the end to the other end without first having his chappals removed and placed on his head.
Hotels and other eating places maintain separate cuttlery for low caste Hindus.
RE:read this
by Sampath N K on Apr 30, 2007 02:29 PM Permalink
The Puranas and Vedas were written by people like Valmiki who were nothing but hunters. Many were shudras also. To that day they were co-existing and today it is totally misinterpretted by the people for petty gain. Just answer me one thing, when you are born do you know who you are? when you die do you know what happens of you? A small child if you ask what caste it is it will tell "ba ba ba" or something similar. When you do not know these answers, why do you want to manipulate things to your advantage? Even now time is not lost. All need to unite else the politicians will tear us apart and loot us in name of the castes.
RE:read this
by jaydeep dalwadi on Apr 30, 2007 02:39 PM Permalink
I guess you are poor at knowledge though I appreciate that you are against reservation. Valmiki is life story doesn't mean that Vedas and Puranas all are written by hunters. One more thing those who wrote them or discovered where highly enlightened to the state of God. Please respect them. We have a big problem i.e. We people of India give opinions on basis of what somebody says or portrays to us. We ourselves won't try to find the truth. There was no Caste system in India or Hindu religion. The name's were given to people to identify them with their work. But with time gradually common person of society started making his on meanings and then started dividing. At that time some dominant people were dividing and now the politicians are dividing. WHO IS BENEFITTED? Take it its a truth that there is no alternative to Hard Work and Prayer and Wisedom. Come on don't tell yourself educated untill you find the truth.
RE:read this
by rationalbeing being on Apr 30, 2007 02:24 PM Permalink
they donot need any proof.they are all indian and that is their proof.every religion has its own mythology and we have also may be that has been written by brahmins,the formation of modern india had been possible for the brahmins and other upper castes,lower castes had leat contribution except some incidents .
I HATE TO CALL EVS AS PERIYAR (BIG PERSON) WHO WAS A 'fellow who used to visit dance bars", Who had "3 wives", a school dropout, "a debonair",who always believed that "men are not good", and so many things which you can read all along the article by an IAS officer.
Insulting the belief of people like parading the idol of God with a garland of Chappals in the main street of Chennai clearly indicates that he was not against Brahminism, he was a fanatic.
It is much better we donot talk about such stooges in these days of progress our country is trying to achieve.
RE:PERIYAR
by Bharathiraja C on Apr 30, 2007 02:16 PM Permalink
MR.Vydhyanath... You dont want to talk about... one man who hate god... because the same god has created... caste and inequality... In India.. if a person want to change his religion to Hindu or Islam or Christian he or she can do that... but in Hindu is it possible for a person to change caste... Would you like to talk about this..?
RE:PERIYAR
by manish kumar on Apr 30, 2007 02:27 PM Permalink
boss u change ur work. . .marry someone from other caste and relocate to other city. . .state . . .our family has changed its caste many times . . .from unknown mongolians . . .to farmers . . .to . . .to . . OBC now . . .ghrate relief
RE:PERIYAR
by Vaempuli V on Apr 30, 2007 03:00 PM Permalink
It is possible. There are elaborate procedures to do that. But why would you want to change caste, when your proclaimed belief is there are no castes? I am sick and tired of this hypocrisy which has become the speciality of Tamilians. Boss, every body knows about the way non-brahminical hindus treat people from lower castes, especially Dalits, in TN. The grand incidents at paapapatti and keeripatti, two tumbler system still prevalent in the south, so on and so forth are mighty indicators of this.
RE:PERIYAR
by Vijay Kumar on Apr 30, 2007 02:21 PM Permalink
DEAR VYDHYANATH, we do hate to worship the god as in his name who has created the inequality in society and spread hatred feelings, giving useless rituals, doing waste pujas, burning food items in the fire, etc etc
RE:PERIYAR
by Vijay Kumar on Apr 30, 2007 03:27 PM Permalink
pls go and study all vedas, manuscrumiti etc etc all these have inequality and want to maintain the inequality
To a great extent, brahminism was the root cause of casteism, superstitions and chaos in Hinduism. Having said that, there is no point in blaming the present day Brahmins or waging a war against them for the present day challenges Hinduism is facing. The relevance of people like Periyar were only during the dark ages when Brahmins were at the helm of power. Today the scene has changed and thus there is no point in discussing and fighting over the buried past. The reservations MUST be on the basis of economic backwardness and not caste based.
RE:Periyar
by Ram Sharma on Apr 30, 2007 02:17 PM Permalink
very well said. as dr kalam said the other day, the root cause of disputes is ecnomic. i think that we must try to find ways of reducing population, lead simple life and not run after fashion. these will give permanent peace of mind. even lot of money cannot give this. otherwise mukesh and anil ambanis, the real brothers would have remained greatest friends.
RE:Periyar
by biz Narayan on Apr 30, 2007 02:56 PM Permalink
Chandu could be thinking himself to be race of higher caste, he begs himself to be treated better. Idiots.
