From what i have read abt periyar is he was an ambitious man. But alas he couldnot study beyond 4th std.as the rigours and discipline enforced in schools those days were against the very grain of the then EVR who was flambouyant and flashy with wealth to flounder.J.Nehru too was flashy and flambouyant but he completed his law studies abroad and a typical Englishman way was in manners and etiquettes so much so his wife(Kamla) and inlaws(learned Kashimiri pundits) too felt outofplace in Motilal and son's Allahabad bungalow!EVR was quick to grasp caste divide prevalent in his time in society and realise his ambition of leadership by pitting 97% against 3% precisely followed by political masters now in UP and adj belt!Needless to say he proved the old English adage 'Politics is the last resort of*********
RE:making a film on a fanatic by another
by Arun PS on Apr 30, 2007 03:24 PM Permalink
I strongly believe that its not nessacerily a caste that works beyond any atrocities but people.
Periyar had thrown cow dung against poor brahmins houses..... getting educated and coming forward is not a crime ... its not Brahmin community but people doing it.
We had seen eminent people in all areas ...belonging to all class and caste ....
Time now is not to create a movie that explored caste in the past ... create movie to show "GURUs" and their individual talents ...
Take TATA .... he has served the nation by excellence and talent and that is a living memmory even today ... periyar did nothing great ...
RE:making a film on a fanatic by another
by dmk on Apr 30, 2007 03:46 PM Permalink
without knowin detail about EVR dont post comments , he lost all his belongings into order uplift social justice in india. Would know that , EVR's period if SC/ST / window entering into Temples/ common streets were banned , did you know that . Because of him only that kind social injustice are removed.
RE:making a film on a fanatic by another
by Ravishankar Kandallu on Apr 30, 2007 04:14 PM Permalink
There are many people who fought for the down trodden. Thevar, ..... long list. It was due to concerted effort. Not due to EVR
All the bramhims are denied of Govt Jobs, promotion, education, and many of them have become sweepers in Sulabh Sauchaley. All OBC have been given good govt jobs, promotions in govt, education prividge. To overcome from atrocities on Bramhims new Avtars in OBC leaders is required. The Thakur Leaders are Anti-Bramhims ( Arjun Singh,RajNath Singh,etc). Only Mayawati has realised atrocites on Bramhims in India, and has given tickets for Bramhims...
RE:Bramhims are now slaves and ruled over by OBC/SC/ST
by dmk on Apr 30, 2007 03:42 PM Permalink
it is funny to see brahmins are denied job oppurtuintes in govt jobs. In india 79 % jobs in media are controlled by Upper caste hindus , Judges there more than 90% were belongs to brahmins. At present you peoples arenot interseted in govt. jobs because u guys get greater ahre in private companies , reason is simple , ur brahmins friends where there , so you getting jobs so quickly
RE:Bramhims are now slaves and ruled over by OBC/SC/ST
by rationalbeing being on Apr 30, 2007 04:13 PM Permalink
BRAHMINS GET JOBS AS THEY ARE SUPERIORS,THEY DONOT GET PROMOTIONS,JOBS EDUCATION IN THE NAME OF THEIR CASTES,MOST OF THE NRIS ARE UPPER CASTES AND BRAHMINS,ALL ARE NOT FOOL YAR,IF IT IS NOT SO THEY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN WELCOMED EVEN BY THE FOREIGNER.FIRST GET YOUR TALLENT AND HARDWORK WITH INTELLIGENCE THEN COME TO SAY.IF YOU WERE GOOD THEN YOU WOULD HAVE NOT BEEN OPTED FOR RESERVATION.
Instead of uplifting the Tamils, through his anti-Hindu behavior, EVR contributed to take the standards of Tamils down.
While Narayana Guru through his positive reforms uplifted the backward Ezhavas, EVR contributed to lessen the moral and intellectual standards of Tamils.
History will judge EVR as someone that degraded Tamil culture.
Sophistry of Gnana Rajasekharan and his ilk can not hide this reality.
RE:Anti Thesis of Narayana Guru
by dmk on Apr 30, 2007 03:37 PM Permalink
because of EVR only we can able to sit equally with other uper caste hindus , because of him only we can able to share public transport with other persons. If he livied for some more years we can touch god , still we cant able to get that right , is there someone to get it for us
Is there one thing that Brahmins have given to humanity that is useful ? Their whole idea of society is based on superiority of few over the masses on the basis of birth. This is a open challenge to all the brahmins. Please list down one positive thing that you have given to the society.
RE:List one positive
by rationalbeing being on Apr 30, 2007 04:08 PM Permalink
you have no hatred towards anyone but towards brahmin and upper castes.are all the sc/st/obc and religious minorities are saints?pl reply.
RE:List one positive
by rationalbeing being on Apr 30, 2007 04:06 PM Permalink
eclipse,i have to ask you what the christianity gave india-religious conversion,hatred towards own culture and tradition,pseudo secular fools,minority majority divison,allow less people from other religion in own minority institution(cmc vellore,ludhiana and other christian schools),mindset to demand reservation in the name of religion? why dont you ask others what they have contributed to country and the society?
RE:List one positive
by biz Narayan on Apr 30, 2007 03:09 PM Permalink
You would need quotes from whiteman, and therefore read the white philosophers ( ignore the selective 3rd stuff that dravidian racists and JNU marxists refer to).
What prevented hindus to slaughter each other, based on race ? hasn't these morons have killed enough in this century ? Introspect.
RE:List one positive
by Jayanna on Apr 30, 2007 03:27 PM Permalink
Your views looks very interesting. Can I have your email id please. Jayanna.B@rediffmail.com
To all Brahmin Bashers and Similarly to all SC/ST/OBC Bashers as well as to religion bashers such as Hindu Bashers, Muslims Bashers, Christian Bashers etc. and caste bashers . To all Hindi Speaking Bashers as well as to all Tamil Speaking Bashers as well as to all other regional language speaking bashers To all religious chauvinists, to all caste chauvinists, to all linguistic chauvinists,to all regional chauvinists.....
STOP BALKANIZATION OF INDIA!!!!!
SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!
This isn't the land of Slobodan Milosovic, don't make it one!!!!
I really appreciate your views akash! somebody has abused your topic. That's why I am pasting it here
Kick all racists, religionists, capitalists, etc... out from this country (NOT ENOUGH!! from this planet!!).
RE:To ALL
by Akash on Apr 30, 2007 03:12 PM Permalink
Thank you Sriram, I know some people want to keep on abusing others and want to get away with it and if somehow someone complains then they try to stop him from doing so or shout him down similar to Hitler's SS. It is just one example of the nazification/talibanization/balkanization this country is heading towards. People here are targeting communities believing what great service they do to their kins not realizing that targeting any community in itself is a great disservice to the country and to their community itself.I don't want my country to have several partitions on communal,casteist and linguistic-regional lines, but with all this going on, I can only look in dismay as to what my country is slowly turning into. A great disservice to the country is being done by this balkanization process and seems loyalties from India have now narrowed down to local associations,there seems to be no patriotism left!!!! It just seems to be a Feudal structure waiting to erupt similar to what happened in 47!! Shame on all those who think what great deeds they do by abusing people, those who think that their local loyalties are gar greater than this country.
RE:To ALL
by rationalbeing being on Apr 30, 2007 03:24 PM Permalink
i fully agree with you.we should be involved in development of our country rather blaming each other,
INSTEAD OF WASTING TIME ON TALKING ABOUT THIRD RATE POLITICIANS LIKE RAMASAMY , PLEASE DO SOME USEFUL WORK FOR THE UPLIFMENT OF INDIA. WE ARE A POOR COUNTRY AND MORE WORK IS NEEDED. ALL THE VIEWS ARE RESPECTED AS LONG AS IT IS NOT HURTING OTHERS FEELINGS. NO ONE IS BORN IN THE WORLD TO DOMINATE NOW.
RE:LET US DO SOME USEFUL WORK
by Vijay Kumar on Apr 30, 2007 03:15 PM Permalink
it clearly indicates how much you hatred the periyar by calling him like this. He even denied the CM post and render his service to the upliftment of the socially backward and suppressed people.
EVR raised as PERIYAR as someone feel that they are born to dominate the others
without eradicating the political hatredness towards the suppressed people and given equal rights to them, no real upliftment of india will take place.
RE:LET US DO SOME USEFUL WORK
by Ravishankar Kandallu on Apr 30, 2007 03:25 PM Permalink
He is astute politician who knows that he will loose. That's why he rejected the CM seat. Please tell me what he has done to down trodden other than creating hatred?
RE:LET US DO SOME USEFUL WORK
by Rdhakrishnan Venugopalan on Apr 30, 2007 03:28 PM Permalink
you are right. i am not respecting any caste based politicians .one among the person is ramasamy. If i say i do not like you or family what will you say ? what will you say ? similarly if ramasamy does not like brahmins , let him not go and have relation with them . There are some great leaders like Kamarajar , people love him because he did not run behind ladies and he did not earn for his mother also. Oh .Great King maker !! . He is a real respected person. we do not one such politicians here. so better focus your intelligence capacity in a fruitful way .we can do wonders .hope i am making some sence
To all Brahmin Bashers and Similarly to all SC/ST/OBC Bashers as well as to religion bashers such as Hindu Bashers, Muslims Bashers, Christian Bashers etc. and caste bashers . To all Hindi Speaking Bashers as well as to all Tamil Speaking Bashers as well as to all other regional language speaking bashers To all religious chauvinists, to all caste chauvinists, to all linguistic chauvinists,to all regional chauvinists.....
STOP BALKANIZATION OF INDIA!!!!!
SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!
This isn't the land of Slobodan Milosovic, don't make it one!!!!
RE:Ambedkar - the champion of downtrodden and EVR - a bullshit
by biz Narayan on Apr 30, 2007 03:03 PM Permalink
Ambdekar may have been employed by the british govt untill independence for colonial administration. Is there any great record in land of pure, that Ambedkar's pal Jinnah really worked for saving dalits.
RE:Ambedkar - the champion of downtrodden and EVR - a bullshit
by Ravishankar Kandallu on Apr 30, 2007 03:16 PM Permalink
Anybody who does it has to be appreciated
