RE:none of reformers actually ever suffered
by Sudhakar Hiramani on Apr 30, 2007 05:01 PM Permalink
my freind please go through the life history of baba saheb ambedkar you will realise his suffering when he was fighting for the rights of untouchables to have water from chowdar tank in maharastra.When he was searching for house in baroda none of them gave a house for him to stay such was his suffering, he and his brother was thrown out of bullock cart. without knowing ambedkar do not comment on such great personality.
From what i have read abt periyar is he was an ambitious man. But alas he couldnot study beyond 4th std.as the rigours and discipline enforced in schools those days were against the very grain of the then EVR who was flambouyant and flashy with wealth to flounder.J.Nehru too was flashy and flambouyant but he completed his law studies abroad and a typical Englishman way was in manners and etiquettes so much so his wife(Kamla) and inlaws(learned Kashimiri pundits) too felt outofplace in Motilal and son's Allahabad bungalow!EVR was quick to grasp caste divide prevalent in his time in society and realise his ambition of leadership by pitting 97% against 3% precisely followed by political masters now in UP and adj belt!Needless to say he proved the old English adage 'Politics is the last resort of*********
Time has come to put all those Osma bin ladan look alike long bearded RSS and VHP bafoons(sitting in AC room)like Sankaracharya behind the bar. Bring a new law to ban these elements even if RSS minded judiciary is coming in support of these guys. Long live India minus brahminism.
RE:Put the evil forces behind bar
by biz Narayan on Apr 30, 2007 04:35 PM Permalink
some people like caretaker have adreline raised to enjoy the onslaught. Most of these people followed racist ideas just because europeans had it.
RE:Put the evil forces behind bar
by biz Narayan on Apr 30, 2007 04:41 PM Permalink
Get some pshychritrist help get out of the spell of politicians. Caretaker is talking to throw out or being thrownout. Worship periyar to do more violence.
People like periyar have destroyed peace and properity in India with their underdeveloped wisdom. Brahmin is not the one who is born to brahmin parents , brahmin is one who seeks infinite Brahman as its soource.
RE:Who is Brahmin ? stupid periyar ?
by veera mani on Apr 30, 2007 05:48 PM Permalink
Give me one example of Brahmin who became Brahmin without giving birth in a Brahmin Family. Dont live in a imaginary world, try to see reality and Humanity.
RE:Who is Brahmin ? stupid periyar ?
by Vasantgopal on Apr 30, 2007 09:42 PM Permalink
Valmiki a dalit born became one of the most respected brahmins. Similarly Parashurama was born brahmin but became Khastriya. But naturally everyone became power-corrupts gradually. So Veera, how have other non-dalit and non-brahmin castes been any better? Aren't they guilty of the same crimes and they have not paid their dues so far. My recipe: give only dalits reservation and lets see how everyone suffers reverse-descrimination!
what periyar did not mention that the chaturvarna was first adopted according to the division of work,not on the basis of caste.in history,we would find several intercaste,even inter religious marriage including friendship between different communities-rajput king married a bhil girl,sri krishna was a yadav who married several khsatriya girls,akbar and jehangir married rajput hindus,sri ram had a friend like guhak who was a chandal,laxman got knowledge from ravana when he was in death bed.so ancient india was not full of casteism.jabal stayakam was welcomed by maharishi goutam who termed satyakam as brahmin(satyakam had no registered father),chandragupta maurya got the title from her mother who was a dasi and chandragupta maurya and samrat ashoka were not the representative of upper castes.sufi movement,bhakti movement was against casteism and religious narrowness.sri ramakrishna and swami vivekananda faught against casteism not balming the hinduism alone.so i think periyar missed and crossed the line.he could have mentioned the tolerism of hindus who gave place to other religious groups.there is not a single evidence in the ancient,medieval even in some parts of modern world in the field of religious tolerance in christian and islam country.also hinduism accomodated several different thoughts within a religion-here we have idol worship,nirakar god,even we get atheist philosophy,every person can woRship god in any foRm in this religion.hinduism is the only religion which never involved in forceful religious conversion.but pity is that periyar did not mention these positive sides.but sOme extent he spreaded a sense of hatred in the name of abolishing casteism.i donot know why.yes upper castes are very much responsible in many cases.but almost all of the great persons are from upper castes who made indians proud by their tallent,dedication not by their caste identity,what periyar also did not mention that many people from upper castes did several social reforms-RAJA RAMMOHAN ROY,ISWAR CHANDRA VIDYASAGAR were brahmin but did signficant social reform,sri ramakrishna vivekananda also did their best,upper caste personalities were greatly involved in the country's freedom struggle(subhas bose,tilak,nehru ,gandhi ,gokhale,bagha jatin,jatin das,lala ljpat and many names)where the leadership was maintained by them.even the great achiever of tamilnadu-srinivas ramanujam,cv raman was from upper castes.i donot know why he ignored all this.ok,but still he has a place in my mind for his movement for social justice which some extent changed as a movement of hatred at latter stage.
TWO EPICS-RAMAYANA AND MAHABHARATA WAS WRITTEN BY TWO MUNIS WHO WERE NOT BRAHMINS.LORD KRISHNA WAS A YADAVA WHO COMPOSED GITA. sufism was created by the a section of MODERATE muslims to have sense of harmony and respect among the prevailing religions (sufi pirs and saints are till now worshipped even by the hindus in many parts of india) not by the brahmins-salim chisti,srhabardi,mainuddin chisti were muslims not brahmins.
SO the story on casreism is not the whole of indian societal history,so blaming any caste specially is not suitable.
Nowadays, the discussion forums are stinking with foul mouth and words by these bashers. I just wonder, we end up with stinking forums in the name of democrazy. It is indeed crazy. Shame on you and get away with this. The entire world is looking at us. Even some spies, people from other countries are writing some provocative words and our guys pounce on them. Please control your words and comments and emotions. We are in India and truly Indians.
Is there one thing that Brahmins have given to humanity that is useful ? Their whole idea of society is based on superiority of few over the masses on the basis of birth. Please list down one positive thing that you have given to the society. THIS IS A OPEN CHALLENGE TO ALL THE BRAHMINS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. PLS LIST ONE THING POSITIVE THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN TO THE SOCIETY!!!
RE:PLS LIST ONE THING POSITIVE THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN TO THE SOCIETY!!!
by rationalbeing being on Apr 30, 2007 04:33 PM Permalink
1)good scientists,good writers-cvraman,ramanujam,s chandrasekhar,swaminathan,even rabindranath tagore was a brahmin
2)great leaders and visioneries-nehru,indira,lalbahadur shastri,bagha jatin
3)many great teachers
4)many great religious leader like chaitanyadev,sri ramakrishna,sankarachrya
5)many good actors,actresses ,singers,economists amitav bacchan,hema malini,p chidambaram,uttam kumar,hemant kumar and many more
6)players like sachin,sunil gavaskar,viswanath anand.
RE:PLS LIST ONE THING POSITIVE THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN TO THE SOCIETY!!!
by Ram Sharma on Apr 30, 2007 04:26 PM Permalink
not only brahmins, people from all the castes have contributed something good for the society. yours is a funny question. in this age of science do not look at the caste or religion of a person.
RE:PLS LIST ONE THING POSITIVE THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN TO THE SOCIETY!!!
by Crazy Human on Apr 30, 2007 04:14 PM Permalink
yaar why are you after Brahmins ? List one good thing you have done in life ? What is your contribution to our country ?
RE:PLS LIST ONE THING POSITIVE THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN TO THE SOCIETY!!!
by Crazy Human on Apr 30, 2007 04:17 PM Permalink
he he nice joke. Is that your contribution ? What did you exactly in that process ?
RE:PLS LIST ONE THING POSITIVE THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN TO THE SOCIETY!!!
by harifromchennai on Apr 30, 2007 04:17 PM Permalink
Support man. To defeat hatred, you are taking hate as weapon. Leave them. Let them do whatever they like. Hatred cannot be a weapon and you are doing the same mistake as the brahmins did in those days. If you hate, you will be hated.
RE:PLS LIST ONE THING POSITIVE THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN TO THE SOCIETY!!!
by Crazy Human on Apr 30, 2007 04:23 PM Permalink
eclipse is brain washed by Periyar, he cannot think beyond caste bashing. His brain is hard-wired into thinking all brahmins are to blame. He has done nothing for the country yet like a politician he asks what others have done for country he he
