Rediff journos ( except one) didn't have a word against the european racial analysis, the real reason is a lot of adreline in this racial analysis, evident from the message board.
A Nut can remember the arayan language, dravidian language, convert it to a race story and deride something, which has been reserached by highly competent mathematicians/scintists.
thousands and thousands of articles on the racial analysis gioves phds and careers, a possible pervert like Naicker has whipped up sub-national hysteria in a differebnt state.
These morons however are self destructive, their oppurtinities will die out in one or two generations.
RE:Racial analysis has so much adreline!!!
by m on Apr 30, 2007 10:02 PM Permalink
Stop manipulating Indians with Hinduism. Hinduism is nothing but a covert mask of Casteism.
that Indians are unable to govern themselves, not sure what is the solution, politicians have to show the way, instead they make us fight over language,caste etc. 20 million NRIs earn as much as 1.1 billion Indians put together. I dont know where and how to stop the rot in India and ensure that we dont become another Africa where the average life-span of a human being is just 38. I can think of only one thing ie we are good followers, we follow orders faithfully and sincerely. We need a spell of benevolent dictator who thinks about the good of all Indians first. Are there any ?
RE:I feel
by IndianReporter on Apr 30, 2007 07:18 PM Permalink
kalam should take over for a period of 20 years and develop second line leaders and devise a good system that cannot be easily corrupted with lots of checks and balances. current system was good for ambedkars, but who could think of the current level of corruption then, they were innocent then. an elected mp doing human trafiking and abusing power, should be hanged. political will is missing, that should be re-installed by kalam and his faithful lot. only ethical and learned leaders should be selected as part of the system of governance. easily said. kalam may not even get 2nd term by this UPA[ uniquely paralysed avatars ]..unless media stands up for him
once you say you should not use it for torturing others, it should not be used at all. These pseudo-casteist people claim that brahmins used caste to create divide and benefit, practice that more strongly. if brahmins had created caste, y then so many divisions. the society should have been bi-polar brahmins and non-brahmins. People are hypo-critic. Lets for instance accept that brahmins created caste to grow richer and powerful, then y are they 3% only. They practice family planning which India as a country needs now, do others follow it. India should get rid of pseudo-secular , pseudo-casteist characters from its society to move forward. If we can collectively work towards making everybody stronger then its ok or we should not flood opinions of hatred. Society cannot be changed over-night, its takes time, somewhere it should start, start with love and grace and acceptance of all, thats India. Lets keep the spirit of India alive , otherwise people have to migrate else where and making a living there, instead of making India prosper. Lets take an oath that from now on , I would only talk, write, read peaceful notings. Jai Hind
RE:remember the story about not to think about monkey
by Crazy Human on Apr 30, 2007 06:53 PM Permalink
you know what Winston Churchill said Indians cannot govern themselves. His vision is coming true. Corruption is at an all time high and despite empowerement of all regardless caste we are still an under developed country and we shall always be. Basically it is difficult for 1.1 billion Indians to become affluent.
RE:remember the story about not to think about monkey
by biz Narayan on Apr 30, 2007 06:55 PM Permalink
I think Churchill had seen how the devide policy worked and he was kind of sure that brits would use it to create a lot of Naikars.
All the original thoughts of Naiker are to please the realigion of his british masters. A dravidian racial identy was already being cooked up by the missionaries, with support from then racial europe.
He used his influence to marry a kid in his old age, it is a kind of degradation.
RE:Naiker
by on Apr 30, 2007 08:28 PM Permalink
Aiyyaa periyar never pleased any religion and throughout his life he was against all the religions.
Reg his marriage - when Maniammai was ok with that, what is the problem for you? He never compeled her for marriage. And it is well documented in the history.
RE:Naiker
by Vasantgopal on Apr 30, 2007 09:12 PM Permalink
Aiyaa Periyar was sure misunderstood, because I still can't figure out why when a young girl wants to marry a grandfather figure, why couldn't he guide her correctly? And why did he say that Aug 15th was the darkest day in his life? Very puzzling...
In TN, the brahmins population is reduced from 30 to 3% in last 30 years of Dravidian rule. Thats the great achievement. And they implemented the true social justice and developed their language Tamil.
This is called true secularisam and preserving culture and language.
No otherstate in India preserved thier language and allowed Hindi to dominate. Even in Temples only the dead Sanskrit is been used. But in TN they are using Tamil instead of dead Sanskrit nowadays.
This kind of revolutionary thing sould speard acroos India. Even Karnataka should follow the same. There should be KANNADA in Karnataka temples rather than dead sanskrit.
RE:Social Justice & Right honor to KANNADAMBE
by Tamil Selvan on Apr 30, 2007 07:12 PM Permalink
Kannadiga,
Great posting, the TN model language promotion should be speared all over India. And all Indian languages should spread all over the world like Great Tamil.
RE:Social Justice & Right honor to KANNADAMBE
by hari chandrasekharan on Apr 30, 2007 07:31 PM Permalink
the idea of Tamil,Kannada movement sprang from hate to others .In TamilNadu the Dravida parties brought Tamil against Hindi,it is these people who brought North,South.,Aryan,Dravidian.,Tamil,Non Tamil divide .So they made people think that TamilNadu is the only ideal place in the world.They speak in length about having Tamil in temples,bus boards,shops etc..but send their children to English medium schools .they are real pseudos .........
RE:Social Justice & Right honor to KANNADAMBE
by Rahul on Apr 30, 2007 08:18 PM Permalink
You Moron , Do you think that the Prez of India is a hard core labourer?( I dont want to elobarate here stating what positions Tamilians hold) What you mean by Tamils are mostly labourers throughout the world. Learn facts before writing on a board which is nothing but stupid & childish. And funny enough your alias very well sums what kinda Human you are :))
RE:RE:Social Justice & Right honor to KANNADAMBE
by Tamil Selvan on Apr 30, 2007 09:04 PM Permalink
Facts about Tamils around the world, for those who doesnt know about that:
1. Presidents: Till now 3 presidents are from TN 2. Indias Highest Civilian Award Bharat Ratna Recipients: Tamils are the highest morethan 35 than anybody else. 3. President of Sigapore is a Tamil: SR Nathan. 4. Tamil is national language of Srilanka, Singapore and Malyasia 5. France & Canada are considering to make Tamil as their one of their official languages. 6. France & Canada are considering to make Tamil as their one of their official languages. 7. In Internet: Largets number of webpages available in Tamil only next to English. 8. BBC: BBC broadcast news in 40 languages,in which there are only 3 indian languages those are Tamil, Bengali and Hindi. Do they broadcast in Sanskrit? 9.China's offcial govt radio broadcasts Tamil programs 2 hrs daily.
10. Last but not lease, one and only living classical language of India.
RE:Social Justice & Right honor to KANNADAMBE
by agnee i on Apr 30, 2007 07:17 PM Permalink
sorry crazy human u forgot one thing they are also terrorists did u forget LTTE
RE:[object]
by Crazy Human on Apr 30, 2007 07:18 PM Permalink
yeah look at the SL neither can LTTE win war nor will they give up and also they kill Tamilians too in the name of Eelam.
RE:Social Justice & Right honor to KANNADAMBE
by biz Narayan on Apr 30, 2007 06:47 PM Permalink
Social justice for these barbarians mean to do all the evil stuff, including creating wars in far off lands by bribing through NGOs. This Kannadiga is a shock trooper.
RE:Social Justice & Right honor to KANNADAMBE
by agnee i on Apr 30, 2007 06:42 PM Permalink
EVEN KANNADAMBE USES SANSKRIT WORDS***SANSKRIT IS THE MOTHER OF ALL INDIAN LANGUAGES
RE:Social Justice & Right honor to KANNADAMBE
by kannadiga on Apr 30, 2007 06:47 PM Permalink
Funny, Can you give some proof for Sanskrit is Mother of all Indian Languages?
There is a proof that Indus Valley Civilization's language is a dravidian language.
Sanskrit is the language of Aryans and they are basically from Central asia. They just alien to India, just like Christians and Mughals. Thats all.
But there are few words mixed in Kannada, that is quiet natural.
RE:[object]
by Crazy Human on Apr 30, 2007 06:49 PM Permalink
There is proof that Kannadigas are retarded ie you :). You guys dont even have enough competent engineers and you have to import engineers from neighbouring states to fulfill the demand for IT Industry
RE:Social Justice & Right honor to KANNADAMBE
by Sri on Apr 30, 2007 07:54 PM Permalink
I empathize with your theory. Whether Sanskrit is alien to culture(debatable - if such history was rewritten by somebody you trust. Thats for another day), you have bought into other cultures anyway. If you think Sanskrit has invaded your place, Hindi and Urdu as languages, Muslim and Christainity as religions are already in your place.
If I were a Kannadiga, I would try to embrace the ideology and extend the Kannadiga culture. Guess what, you are not alone
RE:[object]
by biz Narayan on Apr 30, 2007 06:48 PM Permalink
This is a barbarian kannadia, though rediff wouldn;t inform in an article, these are all racists. They want their jew. They didn;t have these freedom before.
RE:Social Justice & Right honor to KANNADAMBE
by Jaganniwas Iyer on Apr 30, 2007 07:26 PM Permalink
We have heard enough of this nonsense about so-called aryans coming from some unknown Central Asian land. Mr Kannadiga, or whoever you are, get this straight - not a shred of evidence has been found for this theory and never will. As for 'proof' about Indus Valley Civilisation being Dravidian, enough proof can be put forth to prove that it was nothing but another glorious chapter of Vedic civilisation. What is bandied about as 'proof' in the Indian media, academia and intelgentsia is nothing but anti-Hindu fiction peddled by Western propagandists and ther Indian slaves. Jaganniwas Iyer jaganniwas Iyer
RE:Social Justice & Right honor to KANNADAMBE
by Vasantgopal on Apr 30, 2007 08:57 PM Permalink
So what if Indus civilisation is Dravidian? Does it make it any less hindu? First of all to both extremists: there is no true blood Aryan or Dravidian in India today. We are a mix of these two sub-races which are both in the Indo-Aryan family, just that Dravidian migrated into India earlier. Much to the disappointment of Aryan- superiority champions, there was no genetic similarity between brahmins and Europeans, and much to the despair of brahmin-bashers the genetic makeup of nonbrahmin south indians was found to be very similar to brahmins, so there goes the Aryan-Dravidian divide theory! And Hinduism has derived from both nature-worshiping Aryans and idol-worshiping Dravidians. And ancient Dravidian language (very different Tamil) and Sanskrit are sister- languages that were related phonetically. Hope what I wrote is clear to you guys...grow up and start appreciating the complexity of our civilsation!
RE:Social Justice & Right honor to KANNADAMBE
by Crazy Human on Apr 30, 2007 06:44 PM Permalink
sorry dude Karntaka wont follow in TN footsteps and for your information neither will rest of India.
RE:Social Justice & Right honor to KANNADAMBE
by Jaganniwas Iyer on Apr 30, 2007 07:30 PM Permalink
Sure. Stop speaking in Hindi. Live in TN and never ever step out of that 'social justice' state, even if you need a job desparately. Kannadise Karnataka completely. Er, by the way, throw out Infosys and IT. Those are bad people, they don't use Kannada and Tamil. If you are living elsewehere, go to TN and live there happily ever after, as in the fairy tales, where everyone lives happily ever after. We'll take your anti-Hindi, anti-Sanskrit and anti-Hindu fulminations a tad more seriously. And oh, by the way, stop using English. That's a foreign tongue too, isn't it? Jaganniwas Iyer
RE:Social Justice & Right honor to KANNADAMBE
by ARAYTHATSHARP on Apr 30, 2007 07:55 PM Permalink
You moron, first place what do you mean by allowing Hindi to Dominate? Allowing Hindi doesnt mean you should stop learning your language! Did somebody force you to stop talking or learning Kannada? Its just another skill that you are adding it to your profile. Today I see lot of Tamilians cant speak/understand Hindi when they are out of TN. Given a chance I would want to learn to all the languages in the world. I am really feeling bad that some people in India are soo stupid that they divide themselves based on Language as if religion/caste wasnt enough. Talk something useful and materialistic. And on top of everything ur post is the most irrelevant here as it would be anywhere.
RE:Social Justice & Right honor to KANNADAMBE
by kba k on Apr 30, 2007 08:09 PM Permalink
Dont worry, hindi is not that much worth to learn! That is just forced on us by the north indians who live their whole life just for procreation! I would rather encourage to learn your mother tongue properly and sanskrit as a national language which would immensely create equality in the country!
RE:RE:Social Justice & Right honor to KANNADAMBE
by Rahul on Apr 30, 2007 08:28 PM Permalink
@ARAYTHATSHARP Learning any language is reciprocative. I am a Tamilian who can read, write and speak hindi. And i learnt the language not just because it was one of the official languages of India but i always love learning a new language. Answer honestly do you know any other Dravidian language other than Hindi to add up to your profile. If you are expecting some one to learn your language you should always take time to learn their language without which nothin is gonna work.
Would you have the guts tell the Bihari babu's to learn Tamil since you work in large scale in TN? / Will the IT fellas coming to Blore learn Kannada for survival? If you guys are willing to do that then the so called Dravidians would surely go about learning Hindi.
RE:RE:RE:Social Justice & Right honor to KANNADAMBE
by Vasantgopal on Apr 30, 2007 09:03 PM Permalink
Kudos Rahul. Learning hindi and shunning Tamil is no way to be patriotic, just as to denigrate sanskrit is no way to appreciate Tamil!
RE:[object]
by Tamil Selvan on Apr 30, 2007 09:07 PM Permalink
Learning other language is always appreciable, but imposing the language to other country is non sense, thats what these nothies tried and got f#¤%#¤d by TN people in 60-70s.
RE:Social Justice & Right honor to KANNADAMBE
by ARAYTHATSHARP on Apr 30, 2007 10:30 PM Permalink
Dude, forget about others, nobody is forcing to you to learn or not learn something. Its your discretion, if you learn it, it does no harm. And why would we expect somebody to learn our language , if they dont learn they are the losers, its just this versatility and value added and nothing more. You say somebody forced you. So did somebody come to you and said that you will be hanged if you dont learn Hindi? Nobody can do anything to you unless you allow them to do. To promote ur language doesnt mean, you should stop learning something else. If you can speak somebody else's language and if he cant , that means you are much more able than what the other person is. And is it written somewhere that nothing is gonna happen if you dont learn Hindi? And I am not aware of any such rule which the Indian govt. passed at any time that only Hindi should be spoken all over in India. If you know of any such instances, I would definitely be enlightened and be sincerely thankful to you and if they did I would just ignore such ordinance for its soo stupid. And btw am a south indian too.
To all Brahmin Bashers and Similarly to all SC/ST/OBC Bashers as well as to religion bashers such as Hindu Bashers, Muslims Bashers, Christian Bashers etc. and caste bashers . To all Hindi Speaking Bashers as well as to all Tamil Speaking Bashers as well as to all other regional language speaking bashers To all religious chauvinists, to all caste chauvinists, to all linguistic chauvinists,to all regional chauvinists.....
STOP BALKANIZATION OF INDIA!!!!!
SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!
This isn't the land of Slobodan Milosovic, don't make it one!!!!
I know some people want to keep on abusing others and want to get away with it and if somehow someone complains then they try to stop him from doing so or shout him down similar to Hitler's SS. It is just one example of the nazification/talibanization/balkanization this country is heading towards. People here are targeting communities believing what great service they do to their kins not realizing that targeting any community in itself is a great disservice to the country and to their community itself.I don't want my country to have several partitions on communal,casteist and linguistic-regional lines, but with all this going on, I can only look in dismay as to what my country is slowly turning into. A great disservice to the country is being done by this balkanization process and seems loyalties from India have now narrowed down to local affiliations,there seems to be no patriotism left!!!! It just seems to be a Feudal structure waiting to erupt similar to what happened in 47!! Shame on all those who think what great deeds they do by abusing people, those who think that their local loyalties are far greater than this country and that the country can be compromised at any cost to fulfill their wishes and give vent to their prejudices.If you have any sanity left, come to your senses!!!!
RE:India is not Yugoslavia for God Sake!!!!!!
by Siddhu Warrier on Apr 30, 2007 06:43 PM Permalink
Amen to that, mate. But I doubt if there's any point arguing at all. Many of these people live to argue pointlessly and viciously. :(
Shameful, but then I guess after awhile spent watching all of this disgraceful acrimony, I have come to terms with the fact that so many of my countrymen are 'like that only'. So what's the point!?
Barbarians, colonists make war in far away lands by using biblical races. It is upto people whether they should use the barbarians ideas or reject the colonist ideas.
I CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE TALK ALL NON SENCE ABOUT BRAHMINS .AMBEDKAR DIDNOT LIFT A PENCIL TO FIGHT BRITISH.NO BODY CAN SAY THAT BRAHMINS DIDNOT DO ANYTHING FOR THE COUNTRY***LET US NOT FORGET THAT THE FIRST MARTYR FOR INDEPENDENCE WAS A BRAHMIN AND HIS NAME WAS MANGAL PANDEY.LOKMANYA BALGANGADAR TILAK WAS A BRAMIN CHANDRASHEKAR AZAD WAS A BRAHMIN VEER SAVARKAR WAS A BRAHMIN.BHARATIYAR WAS A BRAHMIN.THOUGH PANDIT NEHRU CLAIMS HIMSELF TO BE AN ATHIST HE WAS A BRAHMIN BY BIRTH LALBAHADUR SASTRI WAS A BRAMIN ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE IS A BRAMIN AND ONE OF THE BEST PRIMINISTER INDIA HAD.LETS NOT FORGET C.V.RAMAN WAS A BRAMIN SUBRAMANIAM CHANDRASHEKAR WAS A BRAHMIN WHO GOT NOBEL PRICE FOR SCIENCE.RABINDRANATH TAGORE WAS A BRAHMIN**SO IF PWOPLE THINK BRAHMINS HAVE CREATED ONLY ATROCITIES PLEASE CORRECT YOURSELF***THESE ARE JUST A FEW NAMES WE ARE PROUD WE ARE BRAHMINS AND WILL ALWAYS BE.
RE:BRAHMINS
by Acinonyx J on Apr 30, 2007 06:18 PM Permalink
Why is it that in South Indian temples you are not allowed to enter if you are not a Brahmin? Are you proud of that too? If you are then you are sick in the brain.
RE:BRAHMINS
by Ram Sharma on Apr 30, 2007 07:33 PM Permalink
i had been to temples in TN with two friends in 1994. no one there asked us if we were brahmins or not. so do not lie.
RE:BRAHMINS
by kannadiga on Apr 30, 2007 06:30 PM Permalink
Non muslims are not allowed to Mecca thats ok.
But in India, Non-Brahmin Hindus itself are not allowed inside the hindu temples for several thousand years, Periyar fought for that only inside our country.
First clean your back and then go to Mecca and other countries....
RE:BRAHMINS
by on May 01, 2007 01:17 AM Permalink
The state of the greatest temples in TN is horrible- only Maduria meenakshi and Tanjavur seems a little ok. One gets pestered for money and to subscribe for mail prasadams by priests located at each deity's sanctum. Seems like being a priest is no more privelege or honor just another government job in which they have not belief or passion for. Plus the temples are filled the garbage, the temple ponds filled with filth. This is a complete contrast to Kerela temples, where most of the temples are still not under government control. The strictness of rules is often misinterpreted as racism. But the rules are for anybody visiting the temple, I guess temples are still viewed as first a religious place and very last a tourist spot. Things have definetly changed for the better- non brahmins are allowed inside the temples.
RE:RE:BRAHMINS
by VIJAYA BUDDHIRAJU on Apr 30, 2007 07:07 PM Permalink
Is that true that other than Brahmins not allowed into the temples today? Din't Brahmins themselves fought against that discrimination though? Din't Brahmins write books showing how bad the system was?
RE:BRAHMINS
by agnee i on Apr 30, 2007 06:27 PM Permalink
few issues of pre independence times cannot be called an issue of today ***today all temples are open to all hindus**tell me one thing was your grand father educated no today are you educated?***today can u distinguish between good and bad or not? so just if u r so angry for things that happened 50 year ago then u should be fighting for everything lets not forget sikhs were massacred and amritsar raided 6 times for that matter today if all sikhs become terrorists and start shooting all muslims it will become a never ending story of war.when you are talking of today talk about today.
RE:[object]
by kannadiga on Apr 30, 2007 06:33 PM Permalink
But Non Brahmin cannot become priest in the Hindu temple even today. Just last year TN Govt passed a historical law to enable everyone to become priest. This is what Periyar wanted.
The same should happen in Karnataka too and the brahmins and sanskrit should go away from the state like how it is vanished in TN.
RE:BRAHMINS
by Crazy Human on Apr 30, 2007 06:40 PM Permalink
kannadiga, why dont you go and settle down in Tamil Nadu since you seem to love Periyar and his rotten idea.
RE:BRAHMINS
by ARAYTHATSHARP on Apr 30, 2007 08:05 PM Permalink
You just shutup kannadiga, you are making an irrational argument. Why would learning a new thing be an obstacle for you in life? Did you urself invent Kannada or what? Just because you were born in a state which speaks kannada doesnt mean you are the whole and sole inventor of Kannada AH!! You are really such a sick idiot who wants deny urself to add value to urself.
RE:BRAHMINS
by agnee i on Apr 30, 2007 06:50 PM Permalink
assh**es dont knows where gold exists u think its dead ****just like god cannot be seen by everybody ***all good things cannot be seen by all assh***es***thats why good things are still alive
RE:[object]
by Ram Sharma on Apr 30, 2007 07:40 PM Permalink
kannadiga but the greek president learnt sanskrit in germany and welcomed dr kalam in sanskrit. people in germany and japan are learning sanskrit and doing research on our old literature.
RE:BRAHMINS
by biz Narayan on Apr 30, 2007 06:50 PM Permalink
No where rascals were appointed as priests, escept during british rule. Kannadiga is a storm trooper with phD is racial analysis.
RE:BRAHMINS
by MOHAN PB on Apr 30, 2007 06:49 PM Permalink
My dear Kannadiga, I write this without any malice and purely to share some information with you. The "slokas" in any language, that have come down from our ancestors of yore have been composed with a specific scientific purpose. if these slokas are chanted in the prescribed pitch, volume, chord etc. the person chanting and his surroundings are put into vibrations (Sound and vibration go together). These vibrations elimnate the body and the atmosphere of negative unhealthy elements (including viruses) and energise all people around. This is why in temples sanskrit shlokas are chanted. Before replacing Sanskrit with any other language, let us make sure that the replacement has the properties of the original sanskrit slokas. Thanks,P.B.Mohan
RE:RE:BRAHMINS
by Srikanth on May 01, 2007 01:26 PM Permalink
To say that sanskrit is dead is wrong. The Tamil that is spoken today is not the one that was spoken 2000 years ago, it has changed with time (Try to give the meaning of Kongudher Vazhkai Anjuraithumbi without konar notes). The same with Kannada - The Kannada that is spoken today is not the one that was spoken years ago. Same with English. Sanksrit slowly changed and evolved as Hindi of the present day. So it is alive. Only that unlike in the case of other languages, the old (sanskrit) and the new (Hindi) forms of the language have been preserved.
RE:BRAHMINS
by IndianReporter on Apr 30, 2007 06:58 PM Permalink
hey kannadiga when is the language dead? i can understand y many write abuses to your posting. nobody stops u from praying in your mother tongue. the way sanskrit can create a electromagnetic resonance on the special rocks used for sculptures make it the best suited for chanting. Just listen to slokas without any prejudice, ask the priest to explain you the slokas he is reciting. do not pass judgements.
RE:BRAHMINS
by agnee i on Apr 30, 2007 06:59 PM Permalink
our attitude sums it up,Kannadigas are good for nothing. A bunch of useless guys. even in 50 years u wont be able to chant vedas in proper tone
RE:BRAHMINS
by agnee i on Apr 30, 2007 07:06 PM Permalink
u guys are biggest beggers u beg for seats without studying "jiska ghar kud kach se bana ho wo doosro ke ghar me phatar nahi pheka karte" thats what intillegent people say oh i forgot u r assh**le u should be told.
RE:BRAHMINS
by Crazy Human on Apr 30, 2007 06:58 PM Permalink
you want all of us to study Kannada/Tamil and other regional languages and become bus conductors eh ? Shows your narrow-mindedness, you want to study ENglish and you want to tell others to learn regional languages.
RE:BRAHMINS
by kannadiga on Apr 30, 2007 07:00 PM Permalink
I never wanted all to study Kannada/Tamil. I want all to study their mother tongue and any other language. Thats all.
Here Im talking against the dead sanskrit. Not it favour of Kannada/Tamil/English. Follow the postings first then comment, useless fellow.
RE:BRAHMINS
by MOHAN PB on Apr 30, 2007 07:08 PM Permalink
My dear Kannadiga, You need not accept what I said about slokas (independent of language). Please do your own study or research on this subject and conclude. You need not even accept anything online. Incidentally, I never said that only Sanskrit slokas have a scientific basis. All slokas are like that. Certainly one should undrstand what one chants. There is nothing that stops anyone from understanding the meaning of Sanskrit Slokas. Thanks, P.B.Mohan
RE:BRAHMINS
by biz Narayan on Apr 30, 2007 06:54 PM Permalink
kannadiga is a paid agent of atheists, what a job that he has to use his theories on a different aspect than how aryans migrated from wereever and alughtered his ancestors.
RE:BRAHMINS
by Loser The Indian on Apr 30, 2007 08:43 PM Permalink
This guy Naikan was a bad Telugu speaking Kannadiga landed in TN tried to fish in troubled waters! He was a total illitrate - a typical Kannadiga! Few set of Tamilians followed him for sure upto a point then realized he was a farce not a force to reckon with!
He called Tamilians as barbarians and abused Tamil language!
Historically Temples were not run by Brahmins. During Abrahamic barbaric invasions, Hindus asked non-violent Brahmins to take care of temples so that they could fight those invading barbarians who rapped our women, killed many innocent kids and looted our wealth.
Inspite of that Brahmins have been poor from the ancient times and even today. They never wanted to become a big force favored many ruling class.
RE:BRAHMINS
by r patil on Apr 30, 2007 07:22 PM Permalink
Kannadiga try to speak one sentence of kannada -minus sanskrit words.If possible try to speak english with out any common indo-european words ok let see.
You should come to north karnataka and maharashtra were so many prominent old temples are mentained ,managed by non brahmins.Even pujaris are non-brahmins, they are called as guravs.Anyway they are really kept those temple shabby dirty way.All new temples build by non brahmins are keeping brahmins voluntraly as priest ,though nobody has forced them to do it. By the way I am non-brahmin and my family deity private temple 's pujari is a brahmin priest and we are proud of him the way he maintains clean santum santorium and performs pooja with out missing one day no matter what.
RE:BRAHMINS
by agnee i on Apr 30, 2007 06:38 PM Permalink
do u know sanskrit? if u don't then who are you to comment on it.now a days all materials are available for learning everything.its very easy to comment on all issues.but to comment on it u should know the subject fully.first learn and then comment*i doubt even in 5 years u will be ABLE TO SPEAK SANSKRIT FULLY
RE:BRAHMINS
by IndianReporter on Apr 30, 2007 06:45 PM Permalink
@kannadiga i would welcome anyone as priest if they have relevant experience and knowledge. there are instances in epics and vedas , nayanmars and alwars where by birth people from so called other caste, have become eligible to perform poojas by their skill and learing, and we also workship them. know history and religion better, we can allow them to guide us for betterment.
its one thing to say all are allowed and other thing to say few people exit. you are from the second thought, please change.
RE:BRAHMINS
by kannadiga on Apr 30, 2007 06:50 PM Permalink
Cool man, then why the Brhamin Community and organizations went to court to get the stay for this law passed by TN govt.
Thats shows your cunning wolf minded brahmins attitude.
RE:BRAHMINS
by Vasantgopal on Apr 30, 2007 09:17 PM Permalink
No one apart from the designated priests who are custodians are allowed in the close vicinity of the gods in South India, this rule is applicable to the VIPs, rich and poor, any caste or race...while in the north everyone is allowed to touch the idols. Obviously it seems it is just a cultural thing and has nothing to do with caste or even religion!
RE:BRAHMINS
by agnee i on Apr 30, 2007 10:15 PM Permalink
u stupid people donot know or will understand these things****temples in southindia are well maintained in that way the common bramins too dont go to near idols*** its only the pre appointed priests who go near the sanctum sanctroum***this not only helps in maintaining the sanctity but also makes it systamatic***u strupid people wont understand**because u r born with demonic brains
RE:BRAHMINS
by Srinivasan Rangaswami on Apr 30, 2007 06:28 PM Permalink
Acinonyx u know.. now a days bramins are not doing wrong thing to dalit.. in tamil nadu their is one community if u are going in that street u should not allowed to wear sliper.. they are not bramins
RE:BRAHMINS
by VIJAYA BUDDHIRAJU on Apr 30, 2007 07:04 PM Permalink
What sruprises me is that despite their excelling in education and being in high places, why did Brahmins remain poor. After Brahnins took the leadership to fight off the British, they antibrahmin guys becmae super rich-kept caste intact and infact do not want to leave the caste and at the same time bash the Brahmins. As today Brahmins left Tamilnadu and became a minority, Hindus will leave Taminlnadu because they will become a minority pretty soon because of actions like those of Ramaswamy Naiker.
In Tamil Nadu, there is no Hindu even nowadays. All people in Tamil Nadu belongs to TAMIL COMMUNITY. Thats the great achivement of Periyar. So there is no question of becoming minority.
RE:[object]
by Vasantgopal on Apr 30, 2007 09:22 PM Permalink
Vijaya, It is quite clear that Periyar failed socially, even today TN has the same caste divisions like the rest of India, on the positive side hindu festivals and customs are strictly adhered to, probably more than the rest of the country. Only a minor section is still atheist, but they are surrounded by strong theists as can be witnessed by the crowds at all temples. All the top dravidan leaders openly visit temples- the greatest of them MGR probably had the right balanced mind when it came to social engineering and religion!
RE:[object]
by r patil on Apr 30, 2007 07:52 PM Permalink
Tamil Selvan do tamil christains and muslims say they are not christains and muslims they are only tamilains ?Then why tamil nadu CM is asking for exclusive christain and muslim quota even though they are getting beneffits as BACKWARD CASTE ,and why are hindus not given reservation as hindus ?
RE:BRAHMINS
by IndianReporter on Apr 30, 2007 06:22 PM Permalink
have you visited temples ? and btw which is the temple you have not entered. any thoughts about entering mosque for not praying..
There is no point in fighting and abusing each other.As citizens of this country we have to think of future generations and not harp on all that is bad in our religion saying that it sanathan and like that the system of caste has destroyed our unity which is known to everybody we have to sit togehter and discuss cooly how to remove this caste and foremost untouchability or else even after thousand years we will not give justice to our future generations .
