OBCs repent for their sins of exploiting and killing SC/ST, the SC/ST/UC/Minorities will finish them off. After all it was the OBCs who pulled down babri masjid and enacted godhra riots
RE:unless
by Rahul on Apr 30, 2007 10:05 PM Permalink
Now Humanist has turned into a fact finder, Who gave you the information that babri /godhra incidents were triggered by OBC's. Put in supporting evidences dude?
RE:RE:unless
by Humanist on Apr 30, 2007 10:07 PM Permalink
all the vitriolic leaders of BJP except for Advani are OBC people like Uma Bharti, Kalyan Singh etc
RE:unless
by Rahul on Apr 30, 2007 10:09 PM Permalink
Is that true, don't make Uma / Kalyan scape goats here, Is N Modi an OBC? and did Godhra happen in UP / MP?. Keep facts straight. We all are educated and we all know about Indian politics well enough.
RE:unless
by harifromchennai on Apr 30, 2007 10:20 PM Permalink
Dear rahul, incidents like godhra carnage and riots are directly proportional to rise of jihadi elements. Mr. Modi should be thankful to ISI in any case for retaining his popularity always.
RE:unless
by Humanist on Apr 30, 2007 10:28 PM Permalink
because there is lack of objectivity on this message board :). People out here want to blame everything wrong in India on UC so I blame everything wrong in India on OBCs.
RE:RE:unless
by Rahul on Apr 30, 2007 10:31 PM Permalink
See, you have validated your own statements now. When some one blame you , you blame others to turn the heat the other side. People now correlate the above statement from Humanist with his original post we can all get to know what is the kind of mission he is on.
And mate, yeah I get to see your third role as well as a media manager to divert attention. What next I can't wait :))
RE:unless
by Humanist on Apr 30, 2007 10:35 PM Permalink
Yeah you blame me without reasons I blame others since I am not dealing with knowledgeable persons on this MB but nitwits including you. Gotta speak in the language they understand isnt it ? They don't have valid points only emotional outbursts so I respond in the same manner. What is the big deal in understanding that? Any 3rd stander will understand it and so much for your grand revelation of exposing my intentions :))
RE:RE:unless
by Rahul on Apr 30, 2007 10:45 PM Permalink
So doing it like that is the kind of way knowledgable person(I take this as your fourth role being a scholar)like you behave.
I honestly think that you are a person who can not stand anyone questioning you.
If you say others do not have any valid points and show only emotional outbursts, and your way of handling would be to repeat the same to them, I would term that being immature.
RE:some more hype Tamil
by Rahul on Apr 30, 2007 10:03 PM Permalink
Be specific to the context, This board is about to talk about periyar against Brahminism and not against Tamilians.
First of all you are a gutless moron who can't write in your real name, and secondly why do you depend on that so called 3.5 billions of bacteria for Missile & Nuclear Technology.
It is high time high headed persons like you are thrown out of the board and discussions are kept within context.
RE:some more hype Tamil
by Humanist on Apr 30, 2007 10:08 PM Permalink
how can i assume your real name is Rahul, for all I know you might be a Pakistani out here to forment trouble
RE:some more hype Tamil
by Rahul on Apr 30, 2007 10:15 PM Permalink
Sweet now all of us know what your true colors are and would you please leave this board and let people participate in a active discussion rather than taking a boat load of crap about your anti tamil & anit OBC bashing?
dude, You will make a good politician, Blame it on some one who people would buy on. Mate, this conversation is intresting and i am having a fun time her. Pakistani formenting trouble my foot...
RE:some more hype Tamil
by Humanist on Apr 30, 2007 10:22 PM Permalink
Atleast I am witholding my name, you are hiding behind a false identity and you come in with a false north Indian sounding name to attract attention. Why am I even typing this ugh!!!
RE:some more hype Tamil
by Rahul on Apr 30, 2007 10:29 PM Permalink
Sweet, You love role plays i guess. You were a factfinder 10 mins back and now you are on a investigative mission, Step on the gas mate, I am enjoying every bit of this coversation. I cannot wait to see what role is up for you next?
Lemurian origin of Tamil. Phonological simplicity of Tamil. Catholicity of Tamil. Tamulic substratum of the Aryan family of languages. Morphological purity and primitiveness of Tamil. The presence of the words %u2018amma%u2019 and %u2018appa%u2019 in almost all great languages in some form or other. Absence of Nominative case-termination in Tamil. Separability and significance of all affixes in Tamil. Absence of morphological gender in Tamil Absence of arbitrary words in Tamil. Traceability of Tamil to its very origin. Logical and natural order of words in Tamil. Absence of dual number in Tamil. Originality and natural development of Tamil. Highest order of the classicality of Tamil.
ca. 500,000 BC: origin of the human race, ca. 200,000 to 50,000 BC: evolution of "the Tamilian or Homo Dravida[1]", ca. 200,000 to 100,000 BC, beginnings of Tamil ca. 100,000 to 50,000 BC, growth and development of Tamil, 50,000 BC: Kumari Kandam civilisation 20,000 BC: A lost Tamil culture of the Easter Island which had an advanced civilisation 16,000 BC: Lemuria submerged 6087 BC: Second Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king 3031 BC: A Chera prince in his wanderings in the Solomon Island saw wild sugarcane and started cultivation in Tamilnadu. 1780 BC: The Third Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king 7th century BC: Tolkappiyam, the earliest extant Tamil grammar
ca. 500,000 BC: origin of the human race, ca. 200,000 to 50,000 BC: evolution of "the Tamilian or Dravida[1]", ca. 200,000 to 100,000 BC, beginnings of Tamil ca. 100,000 to 50,000 BC, growth and development of Tamil, 50,000 BC: Kumari Kandam civilisation 20,000 BC: A lost Tamil culture of the Easter Island which had an advanced civilisation 16,000 BC: Lemuria submerged 6087 BC: Second Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king 3031 BC: A Chera prince in his wanderings in the Solomon Island saw wild sugarcane and started cultivation in Tamilnadu. 1780 BC: The Third Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king 7th century BC: Tolkappiyam, the earliest extant Tamil grammar
RE:The Primary Classical Language of the World is Tamil
by IndianReporter on Apr 30, 2007 09:46 PM Permalink
any valid source for this my friend. any link available on the net to trace to these findings.
RE:The Primary Classical Language of the World is Tamil
by IndianReporter on Apr 30, 2007 09:59 PM Permalink
thanks for the link. makes a good reading, but the fact of the matter is that it is one author's view point and is not historically proven. anyway Tamil is good language whether old or not. language does not mke a person good or bad it is the teaching. apart from brahmins I have never heard of any teaching for the society in India. is there anything like teaching, civilization without brahmin gods...? I wonder.
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by IndianReporter on Apr 30, 2007 10:03 PM Permalink
btw. as per your link, Sanskrit is of Indian origin and Tamil is lemurian (foriegn or dead land), so we should go and make indian language stronger if we are Indian.. i believe present day affliation is better than unknown past... tamil is a foreign language, learn that for a skill, but mandatory Indian language..as per DMK..point that we should not learn foreign lang..
RE:The Primary Classical Language of the World is Tamil
by KNNT on Apr 30, 2007 10:09 PM Permalink
Lemurian is part of India and it was under Tamil kings, so it is part of India.
But the sanskrit is actully from central asia and it is the alien language.
RE:The Primary Classical Language of the World is Tamil
by harifromchennai on Apr 30, 2007 10:13 PM Permalink
Dear KNNT, In any case, nobody can cliam themselves as son of soil. All are migrants. If we argue tamils are from indus valley civilization, it was located in Pakistan and north India. In such scenario, tamils are migrated to now south India, hence migrated. Nobody in this world can be called as son of soil.
RE:[object]
by KNNT on Apr 30, 2007 10:12 PM Permalink
I think you dont know Tamil civilization and its literature. Most of Sanskrit literature and grammer is borrowed from Tamil only, those facts are ignored and hidded by aryans in India.
Indus Valley Civilization which is oldes civilization of India ever found is very very similar to Tamil culture and its civilization.
Read history and about Tamil for more about Tamil contribution to nation.
RE:The Primary Classical Language of the World is Tamil
by Venkat Krishnan on Apr 30, 2007 10:46 PM Permalink
knnt:
im sorry to say, you are in deep ignorance, only veiled by more ignorance.
You say:
"Lemurian is part of India and it was under Tamil kings, so it is part of India."
Well, there was a time when all land mass were together, doesnt that mean we are all from SAME place? Where is the question of foreigners then?
"But the sanskrit is actully from central asia and it is the alien language."
Before British came, there is no iota of evidence that this is true. If it were the case, it would have been mentioned at least in one Tamil literature. Read the literature first-hand, dont go by conclusions of other people like Pavanar or somebody. Pavanar himself fails to furnish any proof, but keeps simply iterating what he thinks as a fact. If you read Tamil literature, nowhere there is even ONE mention of "Aryans coming and taking over Dravidians". The "Dravidian identity" was coined later than the "Aryan identity". Both Sanskrit and Tamil literature have thrived together, borrowing from each other. Eg Kambar was a native Tamilian by birth, but was a Sanskrit scholar, and exclusively wrote Ramayanam in Tamil. Why didnt Kamban hate Sanskrit?
RE:The Primary Classical Language of the World is Tamil
by harifromchennai on Apr 30, 2007 09:54 PM Permalink
If I am not mistaken, the so called facts in wikipedia would have contributed by fanatic tamil. Any other proof? I would be really happy to see
RE:The Primary Classical Language of the World is Tamil
by KNNT on Apr 30, 2007 09:58 PM Permalink
Man, wikipedia article can contributed by anybody. Even you can change that if there is no true in that.
No one can post just fake or false thing in wikipedia, it will be removed next day.
Read the full articel, that itself has proof for everything.
RE:The Primary Classical Language of the World is Tamil
by harifromchennai on Apr 30, 2007 10:04 PM Permalink
Dear KNNT, I know tamil and speak. I know the facts whatever being listed there in Wikipedia. What does it add to tamil in the real context apart from some pride, which is worthless for the rest of indians and rest of the world. Keep up the history and raise in appropriate forums. But not going to help in real world
RE:[object]
by KNNT on Apr 30, 2007 10:10 PM Permalink
Even APJ insisted many times to work for Tamil and Tamil development. He gave lots of ideas for that. So working for Tamil is working for Tamil Society and its developement, so obviously working for Indias development
RE:The Primary Classical Language of the World is Tamil
by harifromchennai on Apr 30, 2007 10:18 PM Permalink
But he studied nuclear physics and missile technology and contributed to the whole India. He was never called as a tamil but the whole India is proud of him. He must have suggested to keep the history and culture intact, otherwise "tamizh ini mella sagum". Tamil will die slowly. This is common for all languages
RE:Tamil Selvan, Good Facts.... To add more to that.
by harifromchennai on Apr 30, 2007 09:45 PM Permalink
In fact, english is global and accepted by all sections of the people in the world. This is the reality. Tamil and sankrit even hebrew may claim they are oldest. But not used by majority in the world. We can claim these things for pride but will not fetch bread, butter.
RE:Tamil Selvan, Good Facts.... To add more to that.
by KNNT on Apr 30, 2007 09:47 PM Permalink
Dont talk and think about only food. Think about Nation, Culture and languages which gave life to us.
RE:RE:Tamil Selvan, Good Facts.... To add more to that.
by harifromchennai on Apr 30, 2007 09:51 PM Permalink
Dear KNNT, Talking and writing about tamil still needs food and other resources. Dont mistake me. To raise a point, I simplified it to bread and butter. Let us not live in the false pride and be tolerant to raise India to the next level. Dream about India (said by APJ, another tamil)
RE:Tamil Selvan, Good Facts.... To add more to that.
by KNNT on Apr 30, 2007 09:55 PM Permalink
Yeah, I agree, but why you are not telling this to others who are giving false facts about Tamil and Tamils.
Do you want to keep mum, if somebody abusing you???
Working for Tamil is also work for India only. Because Tamil is originated in India. But some people here are talking alien Sanskrit. What Im doing is more patriotic work than them.
RE:Tamil Selvan, Good Facts.... To add more to that.
by harifromchennai on Apr 30, 2007 10:00 PM Permalink
Dear KNNT, tamils are abused worlwide. You should have seen how they are getting abused in Srilankan forums. It is matter of fact that english overtook all the languages in terms of reach and usage. Hindi overtook sanskrit and became used by majority of the indians. Tamil is reduced to one another language in the indian states spoken by a TN state people. We are proud of culture and semmozhi. But let us move on in the context of India. Practice tamil in your home. Nothing more we can do. Nobody is interested in Semmozhi other than some tamils.
RE:Tamil Selvan, Good Facts.... To add more to that.
by Humanist on Apr 30, 2007 09:57 PM Permalink
anyhow Tamils hate Indians and support LTTE and will gladly sacrifice their lives for Prabhakaran
RE:Tamil Selvan, Good Facts.... To add more to that.
by Srikanth on May 01, 2007 12:52 PM Permalink
Do you know there would not have been Tamil classics without Brahmins like U.Ve.Sa and others ?
RE:Tamil Selvan, Good Facts.... To add more to that.
by Humanist on Apr 30, 2007 09:46 PM Permalink
Ok so maybe Tamil is greater than Sanskrit but what about English whatever drama Tamilians do Tamil will never become a de facto international language like English and it will be restricted to a few black people residing in TN who like to watch Rajnikant romancing a girl his grand daugthers age and who erect a temple for a living human being and who kill females at birth
RE:[object]
by KNNT on Apr 30, 2007 09:48 PM Permalink
We never seaking for defacto status for Tamil. We just proud of being Tamil. Thats all. But we never accept any imposition of other languages.
Dont talk about rubbish cine field, this is happeneing everywhere in the world.
RE:Tamil Selvan, Good Facts.... To add more to that.
by Humanist on Apr 30, 2007 09:50 PM Permalink
yeah whatever western thoughts and culture and english and white people dominate the world and you cant change it with your hype about Tamil
One import thing is seen missing in our discussions... Periyaar has fought for self-respect / Rationality. If you find yourself to be true civilized person, you would never dispute them..those are in very simple terms.. The bramanism, hinduism/religionism castesim are against the self-respect of a person..hence Periyaar opposed them. What is wrong with that..Even if you are a sceintist/doctor, still you are fanatic about your country, religion, caste, language,etc...you worth nothing..that is the very reason Periyaar called Tamil as a barbarian language..
To be a human, there are lot of simple practical methods we can learn from periyaarism..so he is a reformer..
RE:One important thing is missing
by Tamil Selvan on Apr 30, 2007 09:19 PM Permalink
Defenitely you are not a Tamilian, dont change your name and argue here.
He never said Tamil is a barbarian language. All he said is If you learn only Tamil and not learn any other language then you will become like barbarian. Thats all.
Dont take his few words and comment. Read Periyar fully and talk.
RE:One important thing is missing
by KNNT on Apr 30, 2007 09:33 PM Permalink
Tamil Selvan,
You r right, Periyar never says Tamils are barbarians. I have read that speach. He said Tamils also learn other languages in the world and imporve themselfs, thats all.
RE:[object]
by Humanist on Apr 30, 2007 09:38 PM Permalink
yeah why did he say that? because learning only Tamil stunts your mind. Atleast he was right in that respect.
RE:One important thing is missing
by Humanist on Apr 30, 2007 09:48 PM Permalink
Periyar had poison in his veins but atleast in this respect he was right. Strange how scoundrels get somethings right.
RE:One important thing is missing
by Loser The Indian on Apr 30, 2007 09:24 PM Permalink
Dont need to change his name he was very clear. This guy Nayakar did tell that Tamils as barbarians and Tamil language as barbaric language. If you do not know his teachings then it is your fault. He wanted to side with Britishers and did not like them to leave this country!
RE:One important thing is missing
by IndianReporter on Apr 30, 2007 09:26 PM Permalink
Rationalist cannot behave irrationally to suit themselves. If he wanted to convey that we should all be rational , then he should have led a movement of debate and countered everything scientifically. Rationalism does not account for emotionless state. Rationalism if taken to the core, should question you very existence. Why should you eat and sleep as you are anyway going to die. Science and Rationalism have never answered everything satisfactorily. What created the world we live, why only 3/4th is water.. few blind beliefs of some civilization can be questionned , debated in various forums and all peacefully done to bring in change. EVR wanted publicity and being an illiterate chose the masala way of targetting an educated segment.
RE:[object]
by kba k on Apr 30, 2007 10:01 PM Permalink
Thank god! they are not pedophiles like the north Indians. NB: Hope you Remember that Noida killings and a minister's casual statement that it is common in his state!
