1. Percentage Employwed in State Govt - 0.5% 2. Percentage of Brahmins among Doctors - 0.28% 3. Percentage of Brahmins among Big Landowners - 0.067% 4. Percentage of Brahmins among TN MPs - 2.5% 5. Percentage of Brhamins among TN MLAs - 1% 6. Percentage of Brahmins owning Hotels - 0.06%
RE:LATEST POSITION OF BRAHMINS IN TAMILNADU (2007)
by on Apr 30, 2007 10:33 PM Permalink
Percentage of Brahmins among people arrested in Goondas Act in TN (last 20 years) - 0.15%
RE:LATEST POSITION OF BRAHMINS IN TAMILNADU (2007)
by Humanist on Apr 30, 2007 10:31 PM Permalink
all TamBrams have moved away and only economically poor TamBrams are left in TN. I feel sorry for the poor TamBrams in TN
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by on Apr 30, 2007 10:35 PM Permalink
You are right... That is why let me say whether Periyar is right or wrong, what is the point talking about Anti Brahminism today?
RE:LATEST POSITION OF BRAHMINS IN TAMILNADU (2007)
by IndianReporter on Apr 30, 2007 10:38 PM Permalink
they are poor because other caste are getting reserved seats in education and those poor chaps cannot afford even basic education.. anyway they would be forced to leave the land some stage, leave their temple to be destroyed by the idiots of the state and the whole culture element would go away.. then tamil would be served well by goondas, rapist, politicians, corrupt businessman. they would be chanting of karuna nidhi, daya nidhi.. irony in their names. dravidians would embrace islam and christian, they would take away the offerings to foreign land fund jihadis, terrorism against islam..and again after sometime it would doomsday for indians and tamilians.. they would lament lack of wisdom....history would be repeated. lankans were ruled by tamilians, arakans, they lost their mental stability, they got defeated and destroyed..
RE:RE:LATEST POSITION OF BRAHMINS IN TAMILNADU (2007)
by on Apr 30, 2007 10:42 PM Permalink
Number of Brahmins Arrested in Prevention of Atrocities against SC/ST in Last 15 years -
It was just 1 person - Subramanian Swamy, who was issued a warrant under this section by Jayalalitha, for having uttered the word "pariah" in the context of LTTE.
In contrast, no less than 150 OBCs were arrested in 1999 July , under this act during the anti dalit riots in south TN.
RE:LATEST POSITION OF BRAHMINS IN TAMILNADU (2007)
by on Apr 30, 2007 10:31 PM Permalink
1. Percentage of Brahmins among Medical College Students - 0.32% 2. Percentage of Brahmins among Anna University Students - 4.3%
RE:LATEST POSITION OF BRAHMINS IN TAMILNADU (2007)
by sridhar gorantla on May 01, 2007 12:27 AM Permalink
UNDERSTAND ORIGINAL CASTE SYSTEM CLEARLY AND THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND HOW IT WAS MISUSED IN INDIAN HISTORY. HERE IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE WORLD FAMOUS BOOK "AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF A YOGI" by SWAMI PARAMAHAMSA YOGANANDA. HERE IS A FREE ONLINE VERSION OF THIS BOOK:
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---------------------------------------------------------------< BR>HERE IS THE CASTE SYSTEM EXPLANATION IN ITS UNADULTERATED FORM: --------------------------------------------------------------- The origin of the caste system, formulated by the great legislator Manu, was admirable. He saw clearly that men are distinguished by natural evolution into four great classes: those capable of offering service to society through their bodily labor ( Sudras); those who serve through mentality, skill, agriculture, trade, commerce, business life in general (Vaisyas); those whose talents are administrative, executive, and protective%u2014rulers and warriors ( Kshatriyas); those of contemplative nature, spiritually inspired and inspiring (Brahmins). "Neither birth nor sacraments nor study nor ancestry can decide whether a person is twice-born (i.e., a Brahmin);" the Mahabharata declares, "character and conduct only can decide."Manu instructed society to show respect to its members insofar as they possessed wisdom, virtue, age, kinship or, lastly, wealth. Riches in Vedic India were always despised if they were hoarded or unavailable for charitable purposes. Ungenerous men of great wealth were assigned a low rank in society.
"Inclusion in one of these four castes originally depended not on a man's birth but on his natural capacities as demonstrated by the goal in life he elected to achieve," an article in East-West for January, 1935, tells us. "This goal could be (1) kama, desire, activity of the life of the senses (Sudra stage), (2) artha, gain, fulfilling but controlling the desires (Vaisya stage), (3) dharma, self-discipline, the life of responsibility and right action (Kshatriya stage), (4) moksha, liberation, the life of spirituality and religious teaching (Brahmin stage). These four castes render service to humanity by (1) body, (2) mind, (3) will power, (4) Spirit. "These four stages have their correspondence in the eternal gunas or qualities of nature, tamas, rajas, and sattva: obstruction, activity, and expansion; or, mass, energy, and intelligence. The four natural castes are marked by the gunas as (1) tamas (ignorance), (2) tamas-rajas (mixture of ignorance and activity), (3) rajas-sattva (mixture of right activity and enlightenment), (4) sattva (enlightenment). Thus has nature marked every man with his caste, by the predominance in himself of one, or the mixture of two, of the gunas. Of course every human being has all three gunas in varying proportions. The guru will be able rightly to determine a man's caste or evolutionary status.
Serious evils arose when the caste system became hardened through the centuries into a hereditary halter. Social reformers like Gandhi and the members of very numerous societies in India today are making slow but sure progress in restoring the ancient values of caste, based solely on natural qualification and not on birth. Every nation on earth has its own distinctive misery-producing karma to deal with and remove; India, too, with her versatile and invulnerable spirit, shall prove herself equal to the task of caste-reformation.
"To a certain extent, all races and nations observe in practice, if not in theory, the features of caste. Where there is great license or so-called liberty, particularly in intermarriage between extremes in the natural castes, the race dwindles away and becomes extinct. The Purana Samhita compares the offspring of such unions to barren hybrids, like the mule which is incapable of propagation of its own species. Artificial species are eventually exterminated. History offers abundant proof of numerous great races which no longer have any living representatives. The caste system of India is credited by her most profound thinkers with being the check or preventive against license which has preserved the purity of the race and brought it safely through millenniums of vicissitudes, while other races have vanished in oblivion."
RE:Who
by on Apr 30, 2007 10:39 PM Permalink
SORRY, YOU DONT SEEM TO KNOW ABOUT TN AND ITS DEMOGRAPHICS.
Thevars, Nadars, Gounders are all numerically very strong communities... They are also people who have a strong sense of caste and community kinship feeling and they will not let something like that ever happen. So Thevars, Nadars will never ever allow a Periyar Like person to ever emerge.
RE:Who
by harifromchennai on Apr 30, 2007 10:45 PM Permalink
Hi (no name), you never know what is going to happen in future. Thevars are further divided into piramalai kallar, servar, kallar, ambalam, and etc. The thevars will be further minuted and some section may be discriminated. Nadars are further divided into Nadars, OBC nadars, panaieri nadars, christain converted nadars etc. They also will be minuted and targetted. I think you now atleast agree that I know something about TN and demographcs.
RE:Who
by Humanist on Apr 30, 2007 10:42 PM Permalink
surely none of them are above 50%. As happened with Brahmins, majority will pick a particular community.They have to identify a scapegoat community for all the problems of Tamil Nadus, it is the essential hallmark of a divisive ideology like Periyars to put all blames on a particular community.
Yes. I know not much about TN's politics, but I think there was a top Thevar leader during 1930-50s who was a big supporter of Subhas Bose, Indian National Army.
Hindutva groups have started incorporating him. Oravin Togadia paid tribute to his statue last year or so.
Hindutva will gradually spread to TN if not already. And as seen from Bihar and UP they will incorporate all other groups who are discriminated by DMK/AIADMK.
RE:Who
by harifromchennai on Apr 30, 2007 10:36 PM Permalink
Yes Bhaskar. This is being fuelled by the so called followers of Periyar by damaging temples, statues, abusing brahmins, attacking the innocents. The present TN government is silent in these activities for the reason better known to everybody. People are watching these atrocities cooly and should give them befitting reply.
RE:Who
by harifromchennai on Apr 30, 2007 10:31 PM Permalink
No Nadars. They are the one who are shining in the business. The present government is hell bent on family representation in all businesses.
Its no understatement but because of the mentioned individual named Periyar, his thoughts implemented by his followers namely the DMK and also partially by other Dravidian political parties, it has resulted in a "SILENT FORCED MIGRATION OF TAMIL BRAHMINS" oustide of Tamilnadu. It was through a very well thought strargey of choking them and squeezing their noses by very effective silent means that the IYERS and TamBrams had no alternative but to leave Tamilnadu to Mumbai or rest of India or even migrate overseas. They cornered them in all directions so now it has resulted in a situation of "SHOW ONE TAM BRAM IN TAMILNADU GOVT SERVICE AND WIN A CRORE RUPEES".
In simple dictonary terms the process of isolating a particular caste or race and then forcing it out of the state or limiting their options of development by making similar laws..is called RACISIM everywhere in the world.
In Tamilnadu RACISM against Brahmins is a state policy.
so when all the Brahmins are kicked out of Tamilnadu , they will then take the next community to isolate and discriminate..till then the IYERS will have to continue get discriminated.
Earlier I used to hate the narrow mindedness of the Tamilians, Now I am intelligent enough to make a distinction between a TamBram who is forced out of TN and other Tamilians who are ready to kick him out.
RE:Anti Brahmin movement in TN has resulted in a silent forced migration of TamBramns outside of TN.
by IndianReporter on Apr 30, 2007 10:26 PM Permalink
good for TamBram right, the other tamils are not knowing this but helping him settle in better places. they can go and occupy better place now itself because one by one others would follow suit that time they can once again give them back what they get now.
RE:Brahmins
by IndianReporter on Apr 30, 2007 10:29 PM Permalink
alms is better. how abt seeking college seats in the name of caste...after that you would be involved in caste politics, burgulary, raping, corruption..would you anytime give back education to society...by your postings i do not have a doubt that you would end up in the top criminal minded list..atleast they do not convert by luring...
RE:Brahmins
by Humanist on Apr 30, 2007 10:30 PM Permalink
that was the big mistake done by Brahmins, they should have accumulated wealth like other castes(mainly OBC), it would have helped them now in times of distress.
Unless you voluntarily repent & rectify your (parents & ancestors) sins, life is going to be difficult for you. Check your plight at http://specials.rediff.com/news/2007/apr/16sl1.htm
Much of Oppenheimer's theory is based on recent advances in studies of mitochondrial DNA, inherited through the mother, and Y chromosomes, inherited by males from the father. Oppenheimer makes the case that whereas Africa is the cradle of all mankind; India is the cradle of all non-African peoples. Man left Africa approximately 90,000 years ago, heading east along the Indian Ocean, and established settlements in India. It was only during a break in glacial activity 50,000 years ago, when deserts turned into grasslands, that people left India and headed northwest into the Russian steppes and on into Eastern Europe, as well as northeast through China and over the now submerged Bering Strait into the Americas.
Oppenheimer concludes with two extraordinary conclusions: 'First, that the Europeans' genetic homeland was originally in South Asia in the Pakistan/Gulf region over 50,000 years ago; and second, that the Europeans' ancestors followed at least two widely separated routes to arrive, ultimately, in the same cold but rich garden. The earliest of these routes was the Fertile Crescent. The second early route from South Asia to Europe may have been up the Indus into Kashmir and on to Central Asia, where perhaps more than 40,000 years ago hunters first started bringing down game as large as mammoths.'
This synthesis of genetic evidence makes it possible to understand the divide between the north and the south Indian languages. It appears that the Dravidian languages are more ancient, and the Aryan languages evolved in India over thousands of years before migrations took them to central Asia and westward to Europe. The proto-Dravidian languages had also, through the ocean route, reached northeast Asia, explaining the connections between the Dravidian family and the Korean and the Japanese.
Perhaps this new understanding will encourage Indian politicians to get away from the polemics of who the original inhabitants of India are, since that should not matter one way or the other in the governance of the country. Indian politics has long been plagued by the Aryan invasion narrative, which was created by English scholars of the 19th century; it is fitting that another Englishman, Stephen Oppenheimer, should announce its demise.
(source: The cradle that is India - By Subhash Kak - rediff.com). Also refer to www.bradshawfoundation.com/journey/
should convert to other religions if they feel they have not been given a fair chance. Of course they wont. They want to stick on with it to gain free seats without working and to exploit SC/STs
RE:Enough
by IndianReporter on Apr 30, 2007 10:17 PM Permalink
if you have ever gone by history class you would have seen reference of India has Bharath, Hindusthan..just because people converted due to greed, money, more girls with white skin , polygamy, and partly due to high-handed ness of few of their oun country men, it cannot be told that Hinduism is not the religion of India. wait for some more years when muslims and christians marry more and produce more, then the land will have no hindus. everybody would get converted for greed , fear or get killed. 666 is bible's code, do not know about the fatal predictions of other religion.. kaliyug would also come probably cleanse the nation of sinners and hate mongoring people..india was always hindu, before muslim invasion, christian missionary conversion british colonial rule... otherwise hindus had no religion that is farce.. so india == hindus.
RE:Brahmins (PV, Atal) are behind Rajiv Gandhi assassination
by Humanist on Apr 30, 2007 10:09 PM Permalink
Atal is not a Brahmin and without PV and Manmohan India would have been dead by now
RE:Don't ask us these questions.
by Humanist on Apr 30, 2007 10:07 PM Permalink
yeah please tell that to all the millions OBC castes of India to start respecting other humans as equal and to stop exploiting SC/STs in the name of Hinduism.
