I heard MK is planning 10% reservations for Christians and Muslims. Is that correct??? If so, isn't it a great injustice to Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs, Parsis, Zoraastrians, and all other popular religions??? How can he ignore them??? Is he thinking they all fall under Hinduism???
Bengali Muslims supported Jinnah in 1947 because they thought that their biggest oppressors and enemies were the Bengali Hindus. And they got partition in 1947 and then they thought that all their poverty will vanish after that.
What happened after that was nothing but horror... the Numerically large Bengali Muslims found themselves being ruled by Urdu Speaking Punjabis, from a distance of 2000 kilometers. It took 25 years of brutal struggle and millions of dead and also Indian Army for the Bengali Muslims to get their own nation...
Read in detail about the history of Bangladesh in Internet or through books. You will understand that societies are complex - just by removing one caste or group, a country will not get rich or prosperous. Periyarists fail to realise this basic fact
RE:Read the history of Bangladesh folks....
by subbu on Apr 30, 2007 11:21 PM Permalink
Germans - Tried to eliminate jews - Failed
Turks - Tried to eliminate Armenians - Failed
Japanese - Tried to eliminate koreans and Chinese - Failed
Arabs - Tried to eliminate Hindus - Failed
Spanish - Tried to eliminate Incas and Mayans - Failed.
And Now
DK, DMK, PMK and all K's trying to eliminate Brahmins - They will fail. History will repeat and what ever happenned to Japanese and Germans will happen to them. Time will teach them a good lesson. It took Germans and Japanese 50 years to come back from loss but the mindless K's will not come back at all.
Periyar was a third rate goonda who started all the hooliganism and rowdyism that is now widely prevalent in Tamil Nadu. DK which is his brainchild has shown by its recent deeds how cheap is the ideologies of periyar are. He married for the second time a girl whom he could have had as a simple friend if he is broad minded. And I donno why this bloody bugger Gnanasekaran is so jealous abt brahmins occupying top positions in spite of backdoor entries by dalits. If u bloody people had some bloody masala in your head come for a open challenge without hiding behind a veil of reservation and occupy top posts like brahmins. I know u guys never had guts to challenge brahmins in ancient times as well as modern times.
RE:goonda
by Asirvatham Benny on May 01, 2007 09:59 AM Permalink
Tamil nadu has proved that reservation is the best option to achieve social justice and equality.We have produced thousands of intelligent doctors, scientists and engineers through reservation. We don't need your intelligent bramhin masala in tamil nadu as we are very happy with our own masalas.
RE:goonda
by on Apr 30, 2007 11:02 PM Permalink
Bramins are not occupying top posts in Present Day Tamil nadu. Infact they are a non existent marginal minority, which is poorer than many OBCs. The only thing is that you find Brahmins in big numbers in Temples, but people spend 100 times more money in TASMAC shops than in temples.
RE:goonda
by VIJAYA BUDDHIRAJU on Apr 30, 2007 11:22 PM Permalink
Are proud of the bullshit you and this peiyar guy did to Brahmins. Norht Indian guys watchout for this scum, keep them out of your lands. When they were persecuting Brahmins (without whome they would have been just tribals like Somalia) they were also erasing Hindi Boards. Kick them out when you see them because they will do the same thing to you-Is theis solgan you want-what pride is there in what your wrote? you jerk
RE:[object]
by VIJAYA BUDDHIRAJU on Apr 30, 2007 11:24 PM Permalink
my reply was to the Gooda "who wrote the following-RE:goonda by on Apr 30, 2007 11:02 PM Bramins are not occupying top posts in Present Day Tamil nadu. Infact they are a non existent marginal minority, which is poorer than many OBCs. "The only thing is that you find Brahmins in big numbers in Temples, but people spend 100 times more money in TASMAC shops than in temples".
RE:goonda
by Samia Baig on Apr 30, 2007 11:14 PM Permalink
Thanks to the likes of Periyar and other DMK politicians, many brahmins have migrated to US and other countries. Tamil Nadu's and India's loss is other country's gain
if Brahmins had some courageous people among them and formed a separate country, they would have prospered like Israelis. Also they should now think of accumulating wealth and helping other Brahmins. The one thing they lack is courage. They can do pretty much everything else required for forming a great country by themselves
RE:I guess
by on Apr 30, 2007 10:58 PM Permalink
NO I DONT AGREE WITH YOU SIR...
To start with Brahmins never have a feeling of kinship. Brahmins consider their own people as their rivals. Of course, I may be wrong in generalising... In several organizations, Brahmins would prefer to work under a OBC or Dalit rather than a fellow Brahmin. It is like that.
Yes, not withstanding the lies of some fools, this is how India works. That may also explain how the system could continue for 2000 years... it is not always as bad as the Periyarists claim.
RE:I guess
by VIJAYA BUDDHIRAJU on Apr 30, 2007 11:42 PM Permalink
More I read, more I am fascinated at the mind boggling contributions by the Brahmins to the music, art, religion, language, dance, social order. It surprises me how they preserved the books against the odds of ruthless foreign rule. Almost every country surrendered to either Islam or Christianity. What these Peiyars and his following scum contribute to the society? Hatred, divisions based on caste, shameless rape of the country and its wealth?
RE:[object]
by on Apr 30, 2007 11:01 PM Permalink
And it is in a way good too...
Infact notwitstanding Manu's Laws, over last 2000 years, Caste system was not as rigid as it was ordained... How come so many violations of caste laws were happening even in Mahabaratha?
It was because of what i said - more than any other community, Brahmins were a high feeling of competition among themselves and they always preferred to support another community person than their own.
When Buddha started his religion, he was stunned to find that some of his earliest followers were Brahmins, who were previously working in temples. That is how India works.
RE:I guess
by subbu on Apr 30, 2007 11:04 PM Permalink
u may tell that brahmins may consider fellow brahmins as rivals but that is not a reason for hating brahminism. that is the starting point for critisizm and a healthy society. that is where competition starts. is it not healthy to the society unless practiced in negative attitude?
RE:I guess
by Humanist on Apr 30, 2007 11:03 PM Permalink
it is time for that to change, else they will suffer badly. I hope NRN and other rich Brahmins help poor Brahmins. Atleast they now are thinking on forming alliances with others as in UP, previosuly they simply blindly voted for Mayawati.
RE:I guess
by west on Apr 30, 2007 11:19 PM Permalink
It's not the lack of courage. They stand for real Brahmanism which teaches that knowledge is the ultimate power. So, they spend most time in acquiring knowledge than burning busses, effigies, etc. I ask all those intelligent 3% to migrate to some other country and spread their knowledge there. These non-knowledgeable ministers that get elected in India do not know that they are cutting the tree that is giving them the shelter. For sure - in the history, they will be known as rakshasas with their previous birth sins.
RE:RE:I guess
by sridhar gorantla on May 01, 2007 12:26 AM Permalink
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---------------------------------------------------------------< BR>HERE IS THE CASTE SYSTEM EXPLANATION IN ITS UNADULTERATED FORM: --------------------------------------------------------------- The origin of the caste system, formulated by the great legislator Manu, was admirable. He saw clearly that men are distinguished by natural evolution into four great classes: those capable of offering service to society through their bodily labor ( Sudras); those who serve through mentality, skill, agriculture, trade, commerce, business life in general (Vaisyas); those whose talents are administrative, executive, and protective%u2014rulers and warriors ( Kshatriyas); those of contemplative nature, spiritually inspired and inspiring (Brahmins). "Neither birth nor sacraments nor study nor ancestry can decide whether a person is twice-born (i.e., a Brahmin);" the Mahabharata declares, "character and conduct only can decide."Manu instructed society to show respect to its members insofar as they possessed wisdom, virtue, age, kinship or, lastly, wealth. Riches in Vedic India were always despised if they were hoarded or unavailable for charitable purposes. Ungenerous men of great wealth were assigned a low rank in society.
"Inclusion in one of these four castes originally depended not on a man's birth but on his natural capacities as demonstrated by the goal in life he elected to achieve," an article in East-West for January, 1935, tells us. "This goal could be (1) kama, desire, activity of the life of the senses (Sudra stage), (2) artha, gain, fulfilling but controlling the desires (Vaisya stage), (3) dharma, self-discipline, the life of responsibility and right action (Kshatriya stage), (4) moksha, liberation, the life of spirituality and religious teaching (Brahmin stage). These four castes render service to humanity by (1) body, (2) mind, (3) will power, (4) Spirit. "These four stages have their correspondence in the eternal gunas or qualities of nature, tamas, rajas, and sattva: obstruction, activity, and expansion; or, mass, energy, and intelligence. The four natural castes are marked by the gunas as (1) tamas (ignorance), (2) tamas-rajas (mixture of ignorance and activity), (3) rajas-sattva (mixture of right activity and enlightenment), (4) sattva (enlightenment). Thus has nature marked every man with his caste, by the predominance in himself of one, or the mixture of two, of the gunas. Of course every human being has all three gunas in varying proportions. The guru will be able rightly to determine a man's caste or evolutionary status.
Serious evils arose when the caste system became hardened through the centuries into a hereditary halter. Social reformers like Gandhi and the members of very numerous societies in India today are making slow but sure progress in restoring the ancient values of caste, based solely on natural qualification and not on birth. Every nation on earth has its own distinctive misery-producing karma to deal with and remove; India, too, with her versatile and invulnerable spirit, shall prove herself equal to the task of caste-reformation.
"To a certain extent, all races and nations observe in practice, if not in theory, the features of caste. Where there is great license or so-called liberty, particularly in intermarriage between extremes in the natural castes, the race dwindles away and becomes extinct. The Purana Samhita compares the offspring of such unions to barren hybrids, like the mule which is incapable of propagation of its own species. Artificial species are eventually exterminated. History offers abundant proof of numerous great races which no longer have any living representatives. The caste system of India is credited by her most profound thinkers with being the check or preventive against license which has preserved the purity of the race and brought it safely through millenniums of vicissitudes, while other races have vanished in oblivion."
I donno whether Mr.Gnana Rajasekharan is talking sense. because hinduism is a religion that preaches inequality periyar hated religion and because he hated religion he hated god. What a logic. I want to ask him one thing. If one person doesnt have respect for his own mother who carried him for 10 months and taken a lot of pain to bring him up if he is asking why she should be alive, what best can u expect from such a barbarian(that is the other name of periyar). What respect would he have for fellow humans. Periyar was an opportunist who embraced different ideologies for only one thing and that was to oppose brahmins. Or else what is the similarity between the ideologies of those days congress and communists. both are poles apart. thank god dubious people like these are no more and the DK of today is a toothless goonda organization. Their end is nearing. King will kill that day itself but god will let go of the rope and then will kill them in such a manner nobody would ever forget.
RE:hating god because of religion
by VIJAYA BUDDHIRAJU on Apr 30, 2007 11:27 PM Permalink
Interestingly, this movie producer admires this jerk called Periyar because he hated his mother. How is he noble only idiots would know.
RE:hating god because of religion
by west on Apr 30, 2007 11:29 PM Permalink
Barbarian is a tiny title for such selfish rascal. There's a word for such people. I forgot it.
Saw another post that he married only because to save his fortune from going to the party funds.
refer to the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Primary_Classical_Language_of_the_World tamilians are part of even australia and srilanka, so typically forthe last 4 world cups Tamilians are the best Cricketers... Hail Tamil. Make Dinesh Karthik the captain.
RE:we won the world cup
by subbu on Apr 30, 2007 11:11 PM Permalink
hahahaha. and george bush was a tamil who disliked saddam hussain because he was talking in persian.
Brahmins from India have migrated long back, specially from TN. They work for NASA, Northrop Grummen, GE, General Dynmics, etc. The bombs that fall in Iraq these days may have some 'brahmin' contributions. India will loose in the long run for doing this to Brahmins.BTW: I do not discriminate against any caste,including Brahmins. I think that its high time the hindus unite and stop falling pey to this divide/rule by politicians. This will only enhance the islamization and fragmentation of India.
RE:Brahmins have migrted long back
by VIJAYA BUDDHIRAJU on Apr 30, 2007 11:28 PM Permalink
even in 1907 peiyar makes no sense. Britishers did not give jobs because someone is a Brahmin as are given becuase some is a Dalit or some scum from Tamilnadu. They gave to whom they considered would do the job
None of the political parties can/will support you. Judiciary cannot support you (because Parliament decides "salaries" of Judges and not vice versa). 85% of Indians do not support you.
It's OUR Country, Not Yours. We take decisions here.
And our DECISION is: "We are NOT soliciting your merit."
RE:The Bitter Truth
by harifromchennai on Apr 30, 2007 10:51 PM Permalink
Ultimately we end up with abusing each other in the name of caste, creed, religion, language. India 2020 superpower is a good joke. Periyar's thoughts have been wrongly understood and implemented by politicians today. Hence India will break into pieces like USSR on day.
RE:The Bitter Truth
by Rahul on Apr 30, 2007 10:56 PM Permalink
Well said hari. Unless we think as a nation and act on emotional outburst as most of them have done in this board, Inaid 2020 superpower is like God's Must be Crazy part 7 or so.
RE:The Bitter Truth
by Humanist on Apr 30, 2007 10:56 PM Permalink
India is only physically together, mentally we are separated already I guess. Just look at the cauvery dispute between TN and Karnataka. Not one state is ready to give an inch to the other.
RE:The Bitter Truth
by Humanist on Apr 30, 2007 10:45 PM Permalink
85% is a big myth. NSS has established that there is 35% UC. Situation will change when they start to vote and anyway in India you can win elections by getting just 30% of votes. And there is no grand alliance between OBC/minorities/SC/STs it is just a big myth. UP will blow away it full force.
RE:RE:RE:[object]
by on Apr 30, 2007 10:47 PM Permalink
Dalit Mayawathi is waiting for her chance to Arrest the OBC Mulayam once she gets to power in UP.
Maybe our grand alliance theorists shall explain as to why Maya does not hug Mulayam....
RE:The Bitter Truth
by Humanist on Apr 30, 2007 10:47 PM Permalink
also there is no unity among OBCs too they fight like cats and dogs with each other and will never ever inter-marry.
RE:RE:The Bitter Truth
by on Apr 30, 2007 10:50 PM Permalink
Tamil OBC Leader Ramadoss and Kannada OBC Leader Vatal Nagaraj cannot drink a single cup of water together....
This is despite the fact that both are 1)Followers of Periyar 2) Hate Brahmins 3) Support Reservation for OBCs strongly.
