If a particular caste of people and a particular group of people are purposefully discriminated against, their noses sqeezed and they are denied employment opportunities in their own villages and towns, result being they are forced to migrate outside their native lands, Why just becaue they are Brahmins.
so the logic is that punish a baby born in 2007 , investigate that his ancesestory is Brahmin and because his great- great-great-grand father might have commited some discrimnatory practices this baby born in 2007 should repay for that is what it means after reading some comments that "Brahmins should now repay for their deeds".
Well its intresting that this news is on the world wide web and people all over the world read it and it seems such a great PR..! and such a great image booster for TamilNadu and Chennai as a investment destination, which infact has a state policiy of discriminating against its own people namely the Tamil Brahmins, and force them out of the state..!!!!
What makes the great fanatics of tamil language realise that people all over the world do know this discrminatory practice , and will come to know about this sooner and latter. Also why will the people and the decendents of people who were forced out and kicked out of TamilNadu because of discrimination and them being Brahmins will keep quite on this ???
We are talking about discrimination against its own people who speak Tamil.We are not talking discrimination against outsiders or non Tamilians here..!!!.
A State and city which does not practice equality amongst its own people, discriminates amongst them and has a state policy to pin them down at all times,
Hates all other languages except Tamil,
Hates all cities except than Madras,
Hates Lord Ram and hates God,
wants to destroy the Ram setu just because its linked to Lord Ram, had the Ram setu be called Rakshas Setu or Danav Setu , may be it would have surrived.
Wishes to have 90 % reserved seats at all places,
Arrest the Holy Adi Shankaracharya on false cases,
And after all this great pieces of Information still say Tamilnadu is great ,Periyar is great and Madras is great..!!!!
RE:Discrimination against Tamil Bramhins does affect the image of TamilNadu and Chennai.
by dinesh kumar on May 01, 2007 12:41 AM Permalink
ur post would make a newcomer to the scene imagine that terrible violence was visited on the brahmins of tamilnadu.love of ones language doesnt mean denigration of anothers.some immature people might talk.if people in every state love their language more and unite as indians,it will be a better nation.
there is no antagonism against anyone.the movement was against imposition of hindi.periyar s movement was called self respect movement.nothing more nothing less.
just peruse this forum if u have time to find who is expressing antagonism and vilification.
RE:Discrimination against Tamil Bramhins does affect the image of TamilNadu and Chennai.
by VIJAYA BUDDHIRAJU on May 01, 2007 01:05 AM Permalink
What self respect is there in going and hurting somebody.
RE:Discrimination against Tamil Bramhins does affect the image of TamilNadu and Chennai.
by on May 01, 2007 01:09 AM Permalink
Mr Dinesh Kumar,
Either you are not aware of what happens in TamilNadu or you are denying the same. There is lot of hatred in TN against some castes. I have experienced it personally. The only heartening thing is that this hate is more seen in cities and among so called educated folks . But it is there. Very much. Even selective Eve Teasing of a particular caste is known to happen in some places in Chennai.
RE:Discrimination against Tamil Bramhins does affect the image of TamilNadu and Chennai.
by dinesh kumar on May 01, 2007 01:39 AM Permalink
have u seen the views of people in this forum?
the reason . the VERY reason why TN progressed so much despite of the last 40 years of rule by madness , hatred and narrow parochial attitudes adopted by the successsive govts of dravida 'thilagams' is that most of the tamils were good disciplined hard working Hindus. And the DMK knows that it cant shake the firm foundations of hinduism by even an inch; what has happened to these asa**les who once were fiercely breast beating that they are the leaders of 'dravidistan' ?? now they cant even lead their dravida 'thilagams' in power without the support of casteist parochial parties like PMK, DPI, and myriad other movements that mushroom during the 'election' season !!!
The moral of the story is if u try to impose a artifical divide and try to simplify things into plain black and white , ur strategy will prove immensely counter productive and all stand to lose..the DMK will soon be confined to the rubbish pond scum of history..
Now how about this... a country where all people get equal share of things. where all people treat an other person based on his heart and not based on his/her extraneous things like caste, where bringing equality to the majority is not at the cost of minority, where live and let live is the governing philosophy of the govt and the powers that be, where all people respect diversity, where people have access to such basic things as good water, education, food, clothing.. definitely i am not day dreaming , neither am i being utopian minded. for god's sake these things are taken for granted in developed world .. why shudnt a individual have a right to decent living. imagine if u r living on the platform and sidewalk. how demeaning u will feeel. Will the govts of India and the states ever look to solving these issues without dividing and ruling us, Indians ???? why are they following teh policy of Brits, our enslavers not long ago ??/what are all those criminals gonna do with all those shittloads of cash ? are they gonna eat them ?? whether u r a zillionaire or a beggar, u still end up in ultimately in the same 6 * 4 ..
all the deusions go away when u cross the age of 60.. Some of the very same DMK dravidians who were once rabidly anti Hindu became devout hindus in the twilight of their life.. Still life goes on and on, in an eternal cycle. as Lord Krishna said, so eloqently in Karma yoga "On action alone be thy interest... Never on its fruits... Let not the fruits of action be thy motive, Nor be thy attachment to inaction."
Oh and how dare am i quoting a Brahministic text, that too words dictated by a Yadava King !!!
I only conclude with the following famous quotes from the ancient tamil anthology Purananuru :
"Yadum Oore Yavarum Keelir " ( all Places are my native places and all people are my relatives )
RE:more musings...
by on May 01, 2007 01:01 AM Permalink
i m not extreme .. tell me what good the DMK have done that really helped uplift TN ? free power ? free TV ? free rice ? free clothes ?? one day they will say that they will help provide free children for u !! man it suxs big time .. its these DMK types who instead of fighting for tamil cause, ended up antogonizing minorities and non tamils .. why is that passion for tamizh should be clubbed with condescension and mockery of non tamil languages ?? how can these people be so sure that they are right ? are they god ? i agree that they fought for tamil rights against hindi imposition which prevented tamil from not being relegated in its own heartland , but why shudnt Hindi be the third language ?? U will survive in tamil outside TN ? Dont tell me that !!! I have passsion for tamil and am a true red blooded tamilian , but dude letz grow up . no reason to feeel insecure abt Hindi.. no reason to feel that the culture from NI will destroy tamil culture . no need . We tamils have a proud history and great language and we are 80 million strong !! we should be speaking from the position of strength . by doing all sorts of these crappy things, we are only projecting ourselves as insecure
we need to look to telugus. how they imbibed hindi and yet are fully rooted in telugu culture .!!
RE:more musings...
by dinesh kumar on May 01, 2007 01:19 AM Permalink
hey pal,even at the height of the movement,there were only self immolations.every state is represented in tamilnadu,no one is troubled.a relatively well governed state,that is what is t.n. which nontamil has been antagonized and when?take it cool,dude.
why dont u become a primary member of a political party?set aside one day in a month to attend an activity.participate and u will know.sit and home and u wont know.
u r just telling what is the fancy,about tv rice etc
RE:more musings...
by on May 01, 2007 01:33 AM Permalink
have u read Kavignar Kannadasan's auto biography "vanavasam" ?? u will know the true colors of DMK then..
And i dont need to join a political party cozz all the leaders in TN (with some exceptions) are corrupt and morally bankrupt.. it will create no difference anyway as long as people keep voting for free tv..
the western region of TN (kongu belt) is more developed and much tolerant. But these people in South and in the Vanniar belt .. they are so primitive. And that is the initial impression any non tamil guy gets in Chennai as chennai lies in the middle of the vanniar belt.. these guys are really having no parallel when it comes to arm twisting and power play .. They got themselves categorized as MBC recently ! pure selfish evil guys. remember sometime back Dr Ramadoss suggested dividing TN ? People like him need to be thrown into the Bay of Bengal
The origin of the caste system, formulated by the great legislator Manu, was admirable. He saw clearly that men are distinguished by natural evolution into four great classes: those capable of offering service to society through their bodily labor ( Sudras); those who serve through mentality, skill, agriculture, trade, commerce, business life in general (Vaisyas); those whose talents are administrative, executive, and protective%u2014rulers and warriors ( Kshatriyas); those of contemplative nature, spiritually inspired and inspiring (Brahmins). "Neither birth nor sacraments nor study nor ancestry can decide whether a person is twice-born (i.e., a Brahmin);" the Mahabharata declares, "character and conduct only can decide."Manu instructed society to show respect to its members insofar as they possessed wisdom, virtue, age, kinship or, lastly, wealth. Riches in Vedic India were always despised if they were hoarded or unavailable for charitable purposes. Ungenerous men of great wealth were assigned a low rank in society.
"Inclusion in one of these four castes originally depended not on a man's birth but on his natural capacities as demonstrated by the goal in life he elected to achieve," an article in East-West for January, 1935, tells us. "This goal could be (1) kama, desire, activity of the life of the senses (Sudra stage), (2) artha, gain, fulfilling but controlling the desires (Vaisya stage), (3) dharma, self-discipline, the life of responsibility and right action (Kshatriya stage), (4) moksha, liberation, the life of spirituality and religious teaching (Brahmin stage). These four castes render service to humanity by (1) body, (2) mind, (3) will power, (4) Spirit.
"These four stages have their correspondence in the eternal gunas or qualities of nature, tamas, rajas, and sattva: obstruction, activity, and expansion; or, mass, energy, and intelligence. The four natural castes are marked by the gunas as (1) tamas (ignorance), (2) tamas-rajas (mixture of ignorance and activity), (3) rajas-sattva (mixture of right activity and enlightenment), (4) sattva (enlightenment). Thus has nature marked every man with his caste, by the predominance in himself of one, or the mixture of two, of the gunas. Of course every human being has all three gunas in varying proportions. The guru will be able rightly to determine a man's caste or e
RE:EVERY SOCIETY ALL OVER THE WORLD HAS CASTE SYSTEM IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
by sridhar gorantla on May 01, 2007 12:41 AM Permalink
YOU ARE RIGHT. PEOPLE HAVE MISUSED THIS KNOWLEDGE OF CASTE SYSTEM. WE ALL AGREE. BUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS INSTED OF FIGHTING AMONG INDIAN's, BE CALM AND LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS. WE SHOULD NOT BE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE LOOSE THE ORIGINAL SYSTEM IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO ERADICATE THE MISTAKES DONE IN THE PAST. WE SHOULD FIRST STOP HATING BRAMHINS. AS YOU CAN READ ABOVE, A PERSON IS NOT EVEN A BRAMHIN IN THE FIRST PLACE JUST BECAUSE HE IS BORN IN THAT FAMILY. THIS MEANS, IF YOU HATE BRAMHIN, THEN, YOU ARE ALSO COMMITTING THE SAME MISTAKE AS WHAT PEOPLE HAVE COMMITTED IN THE PAST. THOSE WHO HOST negative THINGS LIKE anger, lust, greed e.t.c are NOT AUTHORIZED TO TRY TO CHANGE OTHERS BUT SHOULD CHANGE THEMSELVES FIRST AND THEN TRY EDUCATING OTHERS.
MERE FIGHINT AND VENTING OUR FRUSTRATIONS AMONG US MAKES US LOOK CHEAPER AND SILLY TO OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE OBSERVING AND WAITING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION.
SO, PLEASE STOP FIGHTING IN THE NAME OF CASTE AND THINK CALMLY. CALM MIND CAN ACHIEVE ANYTHING AND CAN FIND GOOD SOLUTION TO ANY KIND OF PROBLEM.
RE:EVERY SOCIETY ALL OVER THE WORLD HAS CASTE SYSTEM IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
by dinesh kumar on May 01, 2007 12:51 AM Permalink
who is hating the brahmins?
RE:EVERY SOCIETY ALL OVER THE WORLD HAS CASTE SYSTEM IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
by VIJAYA BUDDHIRAJU on May 01, 2007 01:11 AM Permalink
The Tamilnadu administrative system-The guy who is taking this movie of a fellow who incited people to against one particular group.
RE:EVERY SOCIETY ALL OVER THE WORLD HAS CASTE SYSTEM IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
by dinesh kumar on May 01, 2007 01:42 AM Permalink
have u seen his earlier movie,bharati
All men should be equal..Great standing up for it..but how can you say such things about your own mother...mother and mother land are such noble things.
The person who started the First war of indepence was a Brahmin and the guy who ended the last war with freedom was also brahmin and the guy who propsed 10% reservation was also brahmin's(Mangal Pandey /Gandhi).
Please read(google) the Book "The True History and Relegion of India" to know many truths..
They will welcome you if you try to be one of them and be one of them. The legends like Veerapandiya Kattabomman, Periyar Ramaswamy, Rajnikanth and many others hail their ancestry from different parts of India but have represented the tamil people and now are greatly regarded by them. You cannot observe this kind of compassion in other parts of India.
RE:Tamils are warm hearted people
by sridhar gorantla on May 01, 2007 12:24 AM Permalink
UNDERSTAND ORIGINAL CASTE SYSTEM CLEARLY AND THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND HOW IT WAS MISUSED IN INDIAN HISTORY. HERE IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE WORLD FAMOUS BOOK "AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF A YOGI" by SWAMI PARAMAHAMSA YOGANANDA. HERE IS A FREE ONLINE VERSION OF THIS BOOK:
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---------------------------------------------------------------< BR>HERE IS THE CASTE SYSTEM EXPLANATION IN ITS UNADULTERATED FORM: --------------------------------------------------------------- The origin of the caste system, formulated by the great legislator Manu, was admirable. He saw clearly that men are distinguished by natural evolution into four great classes: those capable of offering service to society through their bodily labor ( Sudras); those who serve through mentality, skill, agriculture, trade, commerce, business life in general (Vaisyas); those whose talents are administrative, executive, and protective%u2014rulers and warriors ( Kshatriyas); those of contemplative nature, spiritually inspired and inspiring (Brahmins). "Neither birth nor sacraments nor study nor ancestry can decide whether a person is twice-born (i.e., a Brahmin);" the Mahabharata declares, "character and conduct only can decide."Manu instructed society to show respect to its members insofar as they possessed wisdom, virtue, age, kinship or, lastly, wealth. Riches in Vedic India were always despised if they were hoarded or unavailable for charitable purposes. Ungenerous men of great wealth were assigned a low rank in society.
"Inclusion in one of these four castes originally depended not on a man's birth but on his natural capacities as demonstrated by the goal in life he elected to achieve," an article in East-West for January, 1935, tells us. "This goal could be (1) kama, desire, activity of the life of the senses (Sudra stage), (2) artha, gain, fulfilling but controlling the desires (Vaisya stage), (3) dharma, self-discipline, the life of responsibility and right action (Kshatriya stage), (4) moksha, liberation, the life of spirituality and religious teaching (Brahmin stage). These four castes render service to humanity by (1) body, (2) mind, (3) will power, (4) Spirit. "These four stages have their correspondence in the eternal gunas or qualities of nature, tamas, rajas, and sattva: obstruction, activity, and expansion; or, mass, energy, and intelligence. The four natural castes are marked by the gunas as (1) tamas (ignorance), (2) tamas-rajas (mixture of ignorance and activity), (3) rajas-sattva (mixture of right activity and enlightenment), (4) sattva (enlightenment). Thus has nature marked every man with his caste, by the predominance in himself of one, or the mixture of two, of the gunas. Of course every human being has all three gunas in varying proportions. The guru will be able rightly to determine a man's caste or evolutionary status.
Serious evils arose when the caste system became hardened through the centuries into a hereditary halter. Social reformers like Gandhi and the members of very numerous societies in India today are making slow but sure progress in restoring the ancient values of caste, based solely on natural qualification and not on birth. Every nation on earth has its own distinctive misery-producing karma to deal with and remove; India, too, with her versatile and invulnerable spirit, shall prove herself equal to the task of caste-reformation.
"To a certain extent, all races and nations observe in practice, if not in theory, the features of caste. Where there is great license or so-called liberty, particularly in intermarriage between extremes in the natural castes, the race dwindles away and becomes extinct. The Purana Samhita compares the offspring of such unions to barren hybrids, like the mule which is incapable of propagation of its own species. Artificial species are eventually exterminated. History offers abundant proof of numerous great races which no longer have any living representatives. The caste system of India is credited by her most profound thinkers with being the check or preventive against license which has preserved the purity of the race and brought it safely through millenniums of vicissitudes, while other races have vanished in oblivion."
Pity these charlatans and the tamil 'dravidianists' who are hard coded with narrow casteist and anti hindu obnoxiousness.These people have recked the once peaceful tamil society that made great achievements in every field worthy of mention in the ancient past. this sicko "periyaar" (rather he should be soriyaar !) had no obligation to do any hard work as he too affluent ( his family still owns large tracts of prime land in Erode) and endowed. So he turned his interest to politics. See the time when he entered the political fray. In 1920's congress was the monopolistic force and alll tamils were one with congress and indian independence ( to all morons who say tamils are anti india and dint take part in indian freedom struggle: refer any book on History worth its salt and u will find that the very first uprising against brits was fought in tamil nadu in Vellore (c 1803) . The kala pani jail had the largest 'contingent; from south india and particularly madras state )
Now to get one up over the congress , what will a political novice do ? rake up a latent thought force , combine with the then 'state of the art' aryan invasion theory, bring in some references to the oft quoted Manu smriti, and harness the latent anti brahmin feelings that resided at tht time among some tamils who were not capable of getting govt jobs,, take a virulent position on everything presumed elitistic , add in some firebrand communism , a goog dose of effective PR machinery in the form of some losers from the tinsel town of Kollywood like karunanidhi, Bharathidasan, etal.. and u have all the seedings for a long lasting harvest..He was brilliant coz he was the only 'leader' to have so easily mixed anti Indianism and anti Brahminsim in a single platter and so easily. He might have also had received lots of Great Britain pounds from the King of England, for these also are the very means that the brits sought to weaken the indian nation; divide and conquer in its classic form. I suspect he might be a traitor having sold himself to brits. the enemy's enemy is my friend , sir !!
Let me put it forward to all people here.I hail from a so called OBC caste in Western Tamil nadu( in fact from the same town of erode where EVR Periyaar hails from .And no way is this Periyaar a true representative of tamils. In fact he is a hybird between a kannadiga and telugu. He was hailing from the kshatriya dynasty of naickers, who were actually the governors of the Vijayanagar Kingdom which rose to power in northern Karnataka in mid 16th century.
He was a sicko who called tamil and tamil nadu the fiefdom of barbarianim, ad nauseam.. His early followers were essentially the disgruntled youth who were neither too impressed with the british nor were enamoured by the freedom movement. typical ex are perverts like karunanidhi.
And yes, there were some problems in hinduism. it had grown a bit old, a bit archaic if u might describe it correctly. it needed some rejuvenation. and so came in the true reformers like Swami Vivekananda, Sri Aurobindo, Sri Ramana Maharshi, Annie Besant( a hindu by conversion), or like the beloved Sri Narayana Guru from our neibouring Travancore state ( todays god's own country !). these people knew the true nature of india, its all prevading sanatana dharma , and they knew that the solution for this minor decadence is to reform the structure, not destroy the structure itself.
And this sicko was a debonair,( as the interviewee in this piece has said), hedonistic, self indulgent . he was a true scheming machavellain. He had money to spend . He dreamed of being a ruler one day and joined congress. but the fruit tasted bitter. and came out of congress party over a paltry issue( sign of him not being part of anti brits ) , and then he became a virulent anti brahmin coz of some slight on him for not being a brahmin when he sneaked into a anna dhana center in Kashi . I know of numerous instances when his followers have not allowed Dalits inside their houses. i have witnessed with my own eyes, how people from my OBC caste have forced the two tumbler system on poor dalits. What a hypocrite
If u see the history of TN, the development of Sanskrit and Tamil were both mutually symbiotic. the patronisation of one helped the development of other. nowhere in tamil history has there been a pitting of these two great languages and traditions against each other. the tamil kings all wanted to claim lineage to the 'Solar Dynasty' !! , now why is that ? do these things indicate that the ancient tamils were acting non tamil in their character ? what exactly is a tamil character ? is it hating another language and another caste ?? if u say brahmins are racist ? whats ur justification ? werent the OBC's of TN more racist than the supposed nature of brahmins ? what locus shandi do u have ? Or is it a case of the pot calling the kettle black ??
How is it that a community which is less than 5 % of total population of TN supposedly the masters of the remaining 95 % ? Truth is that the profession of brahmins is education. becoz of this they rose to power in the structures of the powers that be . At that time most of the OBC's were engaged in their native occupations like agriculture , weaving, trading,fishing etc. There is no way u can blame Brahmins for garnering the lions share at that time as they were the only ones who needed that share !!!
Truth hurts my dear friend , learn to accept the truth !!! Dont keep cringing on anti hindi and stuff even now! get out of the state of TN and see that there is a big huge world that is as great and unique as tamil and tamil nadu are, respect and admire . dont detest and be hypocritical. Even i used to be feeling the same way, till i got out of TN and started moving among all people ( Brahmins included ). trust me people are not as bad as u think !!
RE:these people are half perverts, half racists
by Sriram Vanamamalai on May 01, 2007 01:03 AM Permalink
Well Said Elaborating on Mr Karunanidhi's double standards.... These people call themselves as atheists. Doest charity begin at home. Their family members worship all forms of god. They do everything these people are against. Secondly if your atheist then do not support any religion. But no they can support Muslims and Christians because they know they will have to gain votes For the Hindus they always use the use the Anti Brahman card to garner the majority of the votes. In the end it all comes down to votes and seats nothing more.
RE:these people are half perverts, half racists
by on May 01, 2007 01:12 AM Permalink
yes.. well said. its all abt votes. if the brahmins had been 90% of the population in TN? then these guys wud have started oppressing OBC's and SC's .. shameful hypocrites
And now this karunanidhi is sharing a platform with Shri Sai Baba and saying all kinds of clumsy things and blushing .. I think he wants Sai Baba devotee's votes too !
Its always during the MK regime that TN faces caste problems and cross border terrorism .. he just wants to divide up people and let them fight while he has his ar*se in his safehouse(s) and enjoyin the show
RE:these people are half perverts, half racists
by dinesh kumar on May 01, 2007 12:12 AM Permalink
was violence used against the brahmins? and what was the name of the movement he started? who has appeared and spewed antagonism more?a perusal of this forum will reval.
RE:these people are half perverts, half racists
by Paddu Iyer on May 01, 2007 12:29 AM Permalink
There you go typical attitude of classify him and then discredit. You diatribe doesn't have any basis nor your claims.
RE:these people are half perverts, half racists
by sen saban on May 01, 2007 12:11 AM Permalink
besh besh..romba nanna ezhduraley..aathu pakkam vaango..enga veetu pommanaatingallam ungalai nenachu vazhigiradhugaL..vandhu konjam unga vegathai kaatindu ponaeLna romba shemama irukkumna.
If in the name of following Perriars ideas, social justice and the process of constructing some ficticious stories and instigating a whole platora of population against a primarily non voilent and intelectual Brahmin community , forcing them out of Tamilnadu and making them foreginers in their own native villages by sqeezing their merit and prospects to earn a living. The Tamil Brahmins are now technically "refugees" in their own native lands. Only thing different was they were sqeezed out using very covert and silent means, and that you dint observe the physical aspects of a forced migration that we saw in case of Kashmiri Pandits who were forced out of Jammu and Kashmir.
The non-Brahmin fellow Tamilians should not sit idle, reason, when all the IYERS are kicked out of Tamilnadu, you will need a second caste and community to discriminate against and vent the anger on for social injustices and make them the scapegoats for the next 30 years. When all the folks of this second community are kicked out, the third community will be targeted.
If you count the number of castes and sub castes in Tamilnadu no single caste is a dominant caste , you will always have a sub grouping to isolate them and sqeeze them.
Hence keep the glees and smiles to yourself, reason, after the TamBrams are extinct in Tamilnadu , some other caste will also have to get ready to be kicked out.!!!!
RE:This message is for preed thomas and tamil selvan
by Stephen on May 01, 2007 12:53 AM Permalink
This forum is sick.Reading in this forum takes me back to stoneage.. a bunch of fools dicussing issues that don't even matter. Dont you guys know that all humans originally came from africa. It has been proved by mitochondrial mapping. Dont you know that all humans are the same irrespective of where u were born n which caste u belong. Don't u folks know this simple fact? Are you guys retards? It doesn't matter who we are. we all need a government that provides food, water, social security, electricity. It is simple for us to achieve it. We just have to demand for it. but nobody does that. Instead we sit and waste our time in forums like rediff with a bunch of retards discussin abt prehistoric issues such as 'aryan theory' 'braminism'. every damn thing in this forum is an argument abt north/south or hindu/muslim brhmins/nonbrahmins. The day you guys stop talking abt dumbA** topics like this will be the day we might even begin to prosper. So i please request all of u to stop discussing the dumb issues and fight for relevant things like making your local mla build good roads in your locality. Im dead sick of you fools
RE:This message is for preed thomas and tamil selvan
by r patil on May 01, 2007 01:16 AM Permalink
Stephen you are right we all havecome from africa I know that .My post was a reply to Praddep Thomas, Tamil salvan and Kannadiga, Hope you dont mind.
