RE:Periyar had a narrow vision !
by Raju Puducode on May 01, 2007 03:35 AM Permalink
The Dravida Kazhakam, started by social activist E. V. Ramaswamy Naicker, popularly known as Periyar, was very popular, since it gave many angry young men a platform to ventilate their feelings of dissatisfaction with many aspects of society. But Periyar, for reasons of his own, stayed out of politics; this, however, did not please the young Turks, that included Karunanidhi. At one stage, when Periyar, then seventy plus married a young woman in her mid twenties, it gave a chance for the young Turks to breakout and form their own party, though Periyar continued to be their father figure. This party, known as Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam or DMK for short, entered politics and in 1967 created a sensation by not only sweeping the polls in Tamil Nadu, but, in the process, edged out the Congress which for decades had ruled the State. Since then, Congress has slipped into oblivion while the DMK and its splinter group ADMK took turns in ruling the state of Tamil Nadu. I should at this point mention that Ms. Jayalalitha leads the ADMK. In earlier times, she was a well known film star, and was the protégé of another famous film star, M.G. Ramchandran, whose name I have already referred to.
RE:Periyar...A Coward...
by Raju Puducode on May 01, 2007 03:18 AM Permalink
Why is that the people of Tamil nadu has an obsession with statues? They build it on the middle of the roads to prevent smooth traffic. Why can't they spend it to feed the hungry or use it to uplift the poor??
RE:Periyar...A Coward...
by greatrr on May 01, 2007 04:30 AM Permalink
Crows and other birds need a place to shit .. so use these statues - tamilnadu is more eco friendly u see he he he :)
PERIYAR WAS SUPPORTIVE AND ENCOURAGED THE USE OF ENGLISH AND DISCOURAGED THE USE OF TAMIL AND OTHER INDIAN LANGUAGES. THIS MEANS SLOWLY ABOLISHING OUR CULTURE IN DUE COURSE OF TIME.....HE WAS NOTHING BUT A LUNATIC.
RE:PERIYAR
by thepolice stewart on May 01, 2007 02:47 AM Permalink
WHAT A REFORMER,ABOLISHING ONE OWN LANGUAGE....NOTHING BUT A INFERIORITY COMPLEXED PSYCHO WHO TRIED TO GRAB PEOPLE'S ATTENTION. GOOD HE DIDNT BECOME CM.
"After his mother died in her nineties, he wrote, 'She should not have lived that long. Because of the backwardness of her ideas, she was not a fit person to live long"
Now this sounds Hitlerist to me.. Should a person, however great Social reformer may he be, dictate how another person should think ?
RE:MOST SHOCKING THING IN THIS INTERVIEW...
by west on May 01, 2007 02:07 AM Permalink
Does periyyar (mother hater) guy have any children? What are they doing?
RE:MOST SHOCKING THING IN THIS INTERVIEW...
by on May 01, 2007 02:11 AM Permalink
No, as far as I heard, Periyar did not have any children from his marriages... also he was a play boy in his earlier part of life... In all probability, he must be Infertile.
RE:MOST SHOCKING THING IN THIS INTERVIEW...
by west on May 01, 2007 02:15 AM Permalink
May be that's reason he married an young girl to prevent his fortune from going to the party. GREAT SOCIAL REFORMER!!!
RE:MOST SHOCKING THING IN THIS INTERVIEW...
by Prakash Gomathinayagam on May 01, 2007 09:49 AM Permalink
it is easy to tare a paper and spend rumours. please read about him, then comment. he did not have any thing for him and he spent all his money for the social justice. Guess, Karunanidhi was able to sweep the entire poll. Do you think, Periyar could not have come to power, if was starving for money ?
RE:whom will they fight after wards
by greatrr on May 01, 2007 04:32 AM Permalink
but Mr. Anbumani will study in London - speak in english wear a nice armani suit.. how do u like it :)
RE:whom will they fight after wards
by Bhoomipalagan on May 01, 2007 07:32 AM Permalink
When western culture and western religion RSs goons wear western cloths and speak english ,why cannot Anbumani do so ?
RE:whom will they fight after wards
by Humanist on May 01, 2007 02:02 AM Permalink
some new reformer will arise and some new community will be made a scapegoat. I dont see TN turning into a heaven anytime soon, it is going to remain backward for the foreseeable future.
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---------------------------------------------------------------< BR>HERE IS THE CASTE SYSTEM EXPLANATION IN ITS UNADULTERATED FORM: --------------------------------------------------------------- The origin of the caste system, formulated by the great legislator Manu, was admirable. He saw clearly that men are distinguished by natural evolution into four great classes: those capable of offering service to society through their bodily labor ( Sudras); those who serve through mentality, skill, agriculture, trade, commerce, business life in general (Vaisyas); those whose talents are administrative, executive, and protective%u2014rulers and warriors ( Kshatriyas); those of contemplative nature, spiritually inspired and inspiring (Brahmins). "Neither birth nor sacraments nor study nor ancestry can decide whether a person is twice-born (i.e., a Brahmin);" the Mahabharata declares, "character and conduct only can decide."Manu instructed society to show respect to its members insofar as they possessed wisdom, virtue, age, kinship or, lastly, wealth. Riches in Vedic India were always despised if they were hoarded or unavailable for charitable purposes. Ungenerous men of great wealth were assigned a low rank in society.
"Inclusion in one of these four castes originally depended not on a man's birth but on his natural capacities as demonstrated by the goal in life he elected to achieve," an article in East-West for January, 1935, tells us. "This goal could be (1) kama, desire, activity of the life of the senses (Sudra stage), (2) artha, gain, fulfilling but controlling the desires (Vaisya stage), (3) dharma, self-discipline, the life of responsibility and right action (Kshatriya stage), (4) moksha, liberation, the life of spirituality and religious teaching (Brahmin stage). These four castes render service to humanity by (1) body, (2) mind, (3) will power, (4) Spirit. "These four stages have their correspondence in the eternal gunas or qualities of nature, tamas, rajas, and sattva: obstruction, activity, and expansion; or, mass, energy, and intelligence. The four natural castes are marked by the gunas as (1) tamas (ignorance), (2) tamas-rajas (mixture of ignorance and activity), (3) rajas-sattva (mixture of right activity and enlightenment), (4) sattva (enlightenment). Thus has nature marked every man with his caste, by the predominance in himself of one, or the mixture of two, of the gunas. Of course every human being has all three gunas in varying proportions. The guru will be able rightly to determine a man's caste or evolutionary status.
Serious evils arose when the caste system became hardened through the centuries into a hereditary halter. Social reformers like Gandhi and the members of very numerous societies in India today are making slow but sure progress in restoring the ancient values of caste, based solely on natural qualification and not on birth. Every nation on earth has its own distinctive misery-producing karma to deal with and remove; India, too, with her versatile and invulnerable spirit, shall prove herself equal to the task of caste-reformation.
"To a certain extent, all races and nations observe in practice, if not in theory, the features of caste. Where there is great license or so-called liberty, particularly in intermarriage between extremes in the natural castes, the race dwindles away and becomes extinct. The Purana Samhita compares the offspring of such unions to barren hybrids, like the mule which is incapable of propagation of its own species. Artificial species are eventually exterminated. History offers abundant proof of numerous great races which no longer have any living representatives. The caste system of India is credited by her most profound thinkers with being the check or preventive against license which has preserved the purity of the race and brought it safely through millenniums of vicissitudes, while other races have vanished in oblivion."
RE:EVERY SOCIETY ALL OVER THE WORLD HAS CASTE SYSTEM IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
by Sudhakar Hiramani on May 01, 2007 04:58 AM Permalink
so u mean to say that in origin they were based on capabilities, later some factors are attached to four varnas.let us take your own argument that if it is purely on capacities than intelligent people are found in every caste ,why people from untouchability community who are intelligent should not be included in brahmin caste ,why no intercaste marriages rapantly taking place between intelligent untouchables and brahmins .Also since four varnas are attached with virtues then strictly going by these all brahmins should not marry at all they should do only teaching proffession and stay away from politics and other activities were they are getting economic benefits.also the caste system in india is unique and untouchability practised in worst form not found anywhere ,that is why all lower classes are hating hindu religion and converting to other religions.poor chap ambedkar converted to buddhism since he was a patriot or else if some one else like periyar would not only converted to religions like islam along with thier followers there by crushing hinduism .
RE:EVERY SOCIETY ALL OVER THE WORLD HAS CASTE SYSTEM IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
by sridhar gorantla on May 01, 2007 07:57 AM Permalink
Dear Sudhakar Hiramani, You asked Below questions: 1)why people from untouchability community who are intelligent should not be included in brahmin caste ANSWER: AS PER THE ABOVE EXPLANATION, THE WORD UNTOUCHABLE IN THE FIRST PLACE ITSELF IS NOT VALID. IN THE ORIGINAL FORM, A BABY BORN TO A PERSON WHO WAS CLASSIFIED AS BRAMHIN MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE CLASSIFIED AS A BRAMHN, BUT MAY BE A SUDRA, BECAUSE TO BE TREATED AS BRAMHIN, ONE SHOULD HAVE THE HIGHER DEGREE OF SATVA GUNA IN HIMSELF/HERSELF. AND THIS SATVA GUNA MEANS, THESE PERSONS WOULD HAVE ATLEAST UNDERSTOOD THE CONCEPT OF UNIVERSALNESS OR ALL PERVADING DIVINITY. IN TODAYS TERMS OF CASTE, THE SC/ST/REDDY/KAMMA/GOUD/BC E.T.C ARE ALL FALSE NOTIONS. REMEMBER IN THE ORIGINAL FORM, ONLY 4 classifications exist and that too based purely on ones CHARACTER. So, if you take the character of a person in current day SC OR SC group and if the persons character matches that of the CURRENT DAY BRAMHIN PERSON, THEN THEY BOTH SHOULD BE ABLE TO MARRY. REASON IS THAT, IF MARRIED, THOSE WHO HAVE SIMILAR CHARACTER WILL HAVE A BALANCE OF THINKING AND BALANCE OF ACTIONS AMONG EACH OTHER AND HENCE MORE UNDERSTANDING. IF YOU MARRY OFF A PERSON WHO IS VERY SAINTLY TO A PERSON WHO IS VERY WORLDLY(or bodily), THEN THAT FAMILY MAY NOT BE AN ENDURING AND LONG LASTING, RESULTING IN DOVORCE AND PROBABLY THE KIDS in THAT FAMILY WILL BE SUFFERING AND OTHER DISTURBANCES ARISE. SO, FOLLOWING ORIGINAL CASTE SYSTEM BASED PURELY ON CHARACTER OF PERSON IS NECESSARY. I DONOT AGREE THAT JUST BECAUSE ONE IS BORN TO A SAME CASTE SHOULD BE MARRIED TO SAME CAST PERSON.
2)why no intercaste marriages rapantly taking place between intelligent untouchables and brahmins
THIS IS BECAUSE, THE ORIGINAL CASTE SYSTEM AS MENTIONED ABOVE GOT ADULTERATED AND MISUSED BY THE HINDU PEOPLE IN HISTORY.
RE:EVERY SOCIETY ALL OVER THE WORLD HAS CASTE SYSTEM IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
by Sudhakar Hiramani on May 01, 2007 09:58 AM Permalink
as u said it is adulterated over generations but what actions u as citizen of this great country taking to remove casteism also u said untouchability itself is not correct than people of maharastra (dalits) in khairlange got worst treatment of untouchability what was ur action regarding this atrocity may i kindly know,how many generations will people of lower class suffer this inhuman practise of untouchability.
RE:EVERY SOCIETY ALL OVER THE WORLD HAS CASTE SYSTEM IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
by Ram Sharma on May 01, 2007 10:15 AM Permalink
sudhakar i think it is too much for you to ask sridhar, 'what was ur action regardingthis atrocity'. do u think that sridhar is a resident of khairlange?
RE:EVERY SOCIETY ALL OVER THE WORLD HAS CASTE SYSTEM IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
by sridhar gorantla on May 01, 2007 11:05 AM Permalink
DEAR SUDHAKAR, ALL I AM TRYING TO TELL IS WHAT IS THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT OF CASTE SYSTEM, WHERE EXACTLY THE PROBLEM IS AND WHAT ONE NEED TO BE DOING. IN THIS FORUM, I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE FIGHTING BLINDLY INSTEAD OF TRULY UNDERSTANDING THE ISSUE AND HENCE CREATING OR ADDING EVEN MORE CONFUSION TO THE CURRENT CHAOS AND PROBLEMS. ABOVE ALL OF THIS, SOME NON INDIANS ARE TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS SITUATION, INSTEAD OF SINCERELY TRYING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS THAT THEIR COMMUNITIES OR THEIR RELIGIONS HAVE BEEN FACING. HENCE, I THOUGHT I WOULD BRING FORTH THE REASON WHY THE ORIGINAL CASTE SYSTEM WAS IN THE FIRST PLACE IDENTIFIED VERY LONG BACK DURING THE VEDIC TIMES, AND IN THE CURRENT DAYS AND IN HISTORY WHY OR HOW THE ORIGINAL CASTE SYSTEM GOT ADULTERATED.
BASED ON CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROBLEM ONLY ONE CAN WORK TOWARDS THE SOLUTION OF THE PROBLEM. THIS IS WHAT MY VIEW OF THE WORLD IS.
ALSO, LET ME ASSURE YOU THAT THESE SO CALLED ISLAMIC OR CHRISTIAN GANGS THINK THEY ARE PRETTY GOOD AND THEY HAVE ALREADY ACHIEVED THE STATE OF ENLIGHTMENT THAT OF LORD JESUS CHRIST OR PROPHET MOHAMMED. BUT THIS IS FALSE. EVER SINCE CHRISTIANITY OR ISLAM ARE FOUND, THE WORLD HAS NOT SEEN EVEN ONE CHRIST LIKE OR PROPHET LIKE SAINTS COMING FROM THESE GANGS, WHILE INDIA HAS PRODUCED CHRIST LIKE SAINTS IN EVERY GENERATION SINCE VEDIC TIMES. WHAT WE AS VEDIC KNOWLEDGE BASED SOCIETY NEED TO DO IS, UNDERSTAND NEGATIVES AND TRY TO CORRECT THEM AND PROCEED CAREFULLY. THIS APPROACH WILL KEEP THE VALUES OF VEDIC TRADITIONS ON THE FORE FRONT OF THE WORLD. IF WE FIGHT FOR SILLY REASONS, WE WILL BE LOOSING.
RE:EVERY SOCIETY ALL OVER THE WORLD HAS CASTE SYSTEM IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
by Sudhakar Hiramani on May 01, 2007 01:57 PM Permalink
see i would make very clear today reservations have hurt particularly brahmins they are victimised but the fact is that dalits are even more hurt by the caste system of hindus more then what upperclass or brahmins what ever u name .reservations for dalits helps only those who are educated and also those who are intelligent but even they are also face harrasment in ttheir respective feild of work .anyway this type ofreservation should go but the fact is that brahmins and their intellectuals leaders should declare all out fight on untouchabilit and end this tyranny prevailing in hindu system or else the lower classes who till today are fighting as ambedkarites would get frustratred and join either islam ao christainity and that would proove disaster to our country.my request to feelow brothers of brahmins is to see the evil of caste and untouchability and as u r the so called carriers of this manuwad it in ur interest and also of downtrodden to remove this untouchability.because reservation though helps it helps only the minority miniscule of dalits who are intelligent and obc take this benifit and thought land owining and rich they not only downgrade system they create further problems to untouchabale masses and also force reservations which they dont deserve only the most backwards like fisherman ,boatman,dhobis,khatiks ,blacksmiths,and not yadavs,or gowda,or kammas,or naidus,who are already in power in number of states,so it is in the interest of both dalits and brahmins to fight against untouchabilityao else this system of reservations will not go and ryour raising voice against will not carry any meaning.
As per the Gnana RajaSekharan Periyar fought against social in justice. Agreed. Now at present what is happening? Isnnt Social Injustice being forced on the brahmins? Fist of all Periayar is ignorant. No where it says Brahmin is one born in that caste. Its one who followed certain rules become a brahmin. If you see it that way O would say there are any brahmins at all. Everyone has changed according to their present society. If that being the case why discriminate against certain group for being born in a certain community? Is it our choice to be born in a particular community. Come on people grow up think.
Ramdoss, the Leader of TN said that Cricket should be banned and people playing cricket should be put in Jail.
The same leader also said that all Engineering colleges will be closed if his party (PMK) comes to power, because Engineering should not be taught in English.
That is the kind of politicians present in TN. They will do anything and tell anything to further their self interest. The sad thing is that Tamils are thinking that these people are Gods in Human form, waiting to deliver them social justice and prosperity. That is the greatest tragedy.
RE:TN POLITICS = CASTEISM CHAUVINISM
by on May 01, 2007 01:54 AM Permalink
And the biggest joke is that Ramdoss's grand children are studying in a English Medium School in Delhi and they learn Hindi as their second language. How is it?
RE:TN POLITICS = CASTEISM CHAUVINISM
by Humanist on May 01, 2007 01:58 AM Permalink
it is not a joke since it happening in India. It is an indication of hypocritical nature
RE:RE:TN POLITICS = CASTEISM CHAUVINISM
by west on May 01, 2007 01:57 AM Permalink
They may have realised believing this guy is like jumping into mud. When will TN realize this truth??? or that They don't want TN to realise??? so, they keep them in dark
RE:TN POLITICS = CASTEISM CHAUVINISM
by west on May 01, 2007 01:55 AM Permalink
He also said recently that 'People are the master' which implies Judiciary is the slave. Ramdoss reminds me of a comedian in Tamil movies who tells the same dialogues - I forgot his name - he's mani or someone. Sorry, don't remember the comedians name. That's what happens if this idiots become rulers.
RE:TN POLITICS = CASTEISM CHAUVINISM
by on May 01, 2007 01:59 AM Permalink
He tells people are master, but will he allow other people to become Leaders in his party? People familiar with TN politics will know how Ramdoss keeps a check on the popularity of other political leaders in his party and sees to it that only person who gets publicity in his party is his son Anbumani . In other words, PEOPLE === RAMDOSS'S FAMILY PEOPLE.
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by on May 01, 2007 02:01 AM Permalink
only vanniars vote for PMK
HA HA... SO WHAT HAPPENED? 70 YEARS, PERIYAR MOVIE, PERIYAR STATUE, NOTWITHSTANDING ALL THAT, THE END RESULT IS THIS. TN IS MORE CASTEIST THAN MANY OTHER STATES. SHAME.
Mayawathi, the Dalit Woman Leader of UP has called for a social alliance of all castes- dalits, Thakurs, Baniyas and Brahmins, in order to make UP as Number 1 State in INDIA.
Why is Karunanidhi or Ramdoss not calling for such social alliances that unite all castes?
RE:MAYAWATHI IN UTTAR PRADESH
by dinesh kumar on May 01, 2007 01:46 AM Permalink
why,for what sake? the dmk is in power without appealing on caste lines. so it is a political stunt to build periyar statues in u.p.why?so that the tamil community in u.p will vote for whoever performed that stunt.
RE:MAYAWATHI IN UTTAR PRADESH
by on May 01, 2007 01:50 AM Permalink
Dinesh,
You are not able to answer my question. Why is Karunanidhi not calling for unity of the castes of TN?
He cannot, because he is a casteist businessman himself and he used the ruse of caste to build a business empire and political empire.
DMK is well known to be a casteist party and the very first election (1967) was fought by DMK on casteist appeal. Dont deny facts. Even Maya did that in 1995, but now she realises that social unity of all castes is what will help a society in long term. Karunanidhi is refusing to do that even 40 years after being in politics and enjoying all power and wealth.Why?
RE:MAYAWATHI IN UTTAR PRADESH
by Humanist on May 01, 2007 01:51 AM Permalink
come on man, you know that in India votes can be purchased by throwing a few hundred rupees. Unless poverty,casteism etc is reduced there can never be real democracy. Also thats why nobody has heard anymore about Periyar statues in UP because it did'nt fetch votes. Also by your same logic why is Muhammed Ghauri revered in Pakistan but not in India, what can muslims in Pakistan gain by respecting Muhammed Ghauri. How can same person be revered in one country but hated in another
RE:periyar in uttar pradesh
by Humanist on May 01, 2007 01:43 AM Permalink
I dont know about the context of Periyar statues, maybe some political stunt. But I always thought Ambedkar was more popular in rest of India.
RE:periyar in uttar pradesh
by on May 01, 2007 01:46 AM Permalink
Yes.. Ambedkar is Much more popular, and well known and respected through out India (except TN) than Periyar.
Amedhkar was against Hindu religion, but he never hated any caste, and he never said that people of a particular caste should be killed or beaten. And he was absolutely committed to the unity of the country and he believed in basic value systems of the country.
Other than dislike of Hindu Religion, Periyar and Ambedhkar had totally different world views. Periyar hated all North Indians ,including the Hindi Speaking North Indian OBCs.
RE:periyar in uttar pradesh
by greatrr on May 01, 2007 04:34 AM Permalink
I thought there were more stupids in TN - thats an eye opener for me Dinesh :)
