honding tamil brahmins under the tag of secualrism and promoting islmisation and xianasation of TN Blind K nidi installed the periyar statue infront of temple.
why he did not do it infront of mosque, church gurudwar or dragaaa?? then u see the respective community reaction. Where is seculrism only hate brahmins??
Mad JJ got arrested kachi seer on false alligation but TN govt could not produce any relevant docus to prove kanchi seer was guilty. Infact SC lambsted TN govt for this. Kanchi seer back in Mutt but Mad Jj lost the elections.
MK Gandhi was thrown out of a train despite having a valid ticket. Did he hate South Africans no? NRN was humiliated somewhere in Europe, did he hate Europeans no ? Periyar was denied food in Kashi Vishwanath temple. What does he do ? he hates all Brahmins.
RE:Great people v/s evil people
by Prakash Gomathinayagam on May 01, 2007 11:25 AM Permalink
Gandhi was against "WHITE" Supremacy. Periyar was against Brahmin-Supremacy not Brahmins.
RE:Great people v/s evil people
by Ram Sharma on May 01, 2007 11:39 AM Permalink
p. gomathinayagam what humanist had said is that gandhi did not hate south africans despite having been thrown out of a trian despite having valid ticket. but periyar hated brahmins. that is the difference.
RE:Great people v/s evil people
by Prakash Gomathinayagam on May 01, 2007 11:41 AM Permalink
how do you say, "he hated brahmins" . Show me his articles that depicts what you say. Please remember, it is easy to spread rumours.
RE:Great people v/s evil people
by Ram Sharma on May 01, 2007 11:53 AM Permalink
prakash in a message below i read periyar saying 'if u see a snake and a brahmin kill brahmin first'
RE:Great people v/s evil people
by harifromchennai on May 01, 2007 12:59 PM Permalink
Yes ram and prakash, periyar said this. Even the followers say this, follow this and do this in tamilnadu. They became judge for some antinational created some ruckus by damaging or insulting periyar statues. These morons take law in their hand and attack the innocent brahmins. See hindu today.
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by harifromchennai on May 01, 2007 01:01 PM Permalink
By the way, Periyar is also against god statues. But the so called periyar followers (morons), planting statues all over the Tamil nadu to create riots in the name of periyar to defeat 3% population in tamils. If Brahmins are snakes, they are dead snakes in TN. What is the use of hitting them?
Brahminism is indeed good. Go back and refer in our old books. Among four varna's Kshatriyas, Brahmanas, Vysias and Sutras are talked and their role are described very clearly. It is simply the way they live. Not by birth. In those days, a person born to a Vysia father (who is a business man) can be a Brahmana (who is a educated person) It is whether a person is a Brahmin or Vysia or Sutra is not by birth, but based on what they do. It was a partialiality the Brahmin community developed, by educating their child and also making them to brahmin, by way of helping their education. As if Dhuriodana helped Karna to be a Kshatriya. Later after a long time gap, today people think that a brahmin is by birth, even if they do business. Truth is not that.
Periyar belogs to Justice Party, who were opposing Gandhi, at the time of freedom fighting and said it openly, that freedom should not be given to India and wanted that the English Rule to be continued. And they call themselves as God's opposers. And it is evident that they went to temple and used sheos on god to show their anger or disbelief on God.
If a person is whether a God follower or not should only be allowed for his own beliefs and disbliefs. And this may not be a political strategy. God opposition can never be a slogan of an ancient country like Bharath and I am certain that Hindus should not vote for these type of parties. Even muslims or christians should not be voting for them.
The base is not strong. so whatever effort we put more and more will always go as waste, as if one gets into the mud.
Periyar should not be his Hero.
I see the artists dreams of portraying his hero. let him do on his own. Let him figure his hero, and bring him out , but that background story does not suit his hero, who he wants to project.
RE:what is Brahminism!!!
by Prakash Gomathinayagam on May 01, 2007 11:20 AM Permalink
Brahminism is indeed good!?!?!?!. you dumb head. see what has happened. We are not questioning why it was introduced. but how it has become ?.
"Not by birth". that is theory part. Most Practical part is very ugly. only when u were born as a sudra and beaten up and/or raped by an upper case, u will realize.
RE:RE:what is Brahminism!!!
by sridhar gorantla on May 01, 2007 11:42 AM Permalink
Dear Prakash, The original caste system consisting of only 4 types of people in any society purely on the basis of a persons character has to be followed for SURE. IF YOU OBSERVE IN DIFFERENT SOCIETIES LIKE CHRISTIAN OR ISLAMIC WORLD, YOU WILL SEE THAT A PARTICULAR PERSON BASED ON CHARACTER IS ALLOWED TO BECOME A CHURCH PRIEST OR A MOSQUE IMAM. SO, IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM, CASTE SYSTEM CONSISTING OF ONLY FOUR TYPES OF CLASSIFICATIONS IS INHERENT IN EVERY SOCIETY, WHICH IS ESSENCE OF THE CREATION OR EVOLUTION. NOT EVERY ONE IN A SOCIETY WILL BE AT THE SAME LEVEL OF CHARACTER. I AGREE THAT THIS ORIGINAL SYSTEM WAS MISUSED IN THE HISTORY BY SOME RESPONSIBLE PERSONS FOR THEIR SELFISH GAINS, BUT NOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS, WE HAVE TO EDUCATE PEOPLE BY THE WILL POWER OF THE WISDOM AND BY UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE MISTAKE HAPPENED, INSTEAD O FBLINDLY TRYING TO HATE THE BRAMHINS OR OTHER SECTIONS. I HAVE MYSELF BEEN SUBJECTED TO DISCRIMINATION IN THE NAME OF CASTE SYSTEM. BUT I AM NOT BLINDLY HATING EVERY PERSON WHO BELONG TO THE CASTE OF THE SECT WHO SHOWED DISCRIMINATION, BUT WHAT I AM TRYING TO DO IS IDENTIFY WHY CASTE SYSTEM WAS IN THE VERY BEGINNIGN IDENTIFIED AMONG THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF A SOCIETY(NOT CREATED OR NOT INTRODUCED), WHY IT WAS MADE COMPULSORY, WHO IS AUTHORIZED TO CLASSIFY A PERSON AS A PARTICULAR SECTION OF ORIGINAL 4 CLASSES, WHERE THE CURRENT CASTEM SYSTEM OF SO MANY DIVISIONS CAME IN TO EXISTENCE. BY CAREFULLY ANALYZING THE THINGS, WE CAN FIND THE EXACT PROBLEM AND WE CAN TRY A GOOD AND PRACTICAL SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM, BUT DEFINITELY NOT BY HATING JUST BECAUSE I WAS SUBJECTED TO SUFFERING. REMEMBER ONE THING: THOSE WHO CAN ENDURE SUFFERING IN THE TOUGH TIMES, BUT YET BE CAPABLE OF KEEPING MIND CALM & CONTROLLED ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO CAN LEAD THE WAY OUT OF THE MESS. OTHERWISE, IT WILL BE AN ENDLESS MESS AND OUTSIDES WILL LAUGH AT US.
RE:what is Brahminism!!!
by Kishore on May 01, 2007 11:24 AM Permalink
Good one for a idealistic environment ,but unfortunately the scenario today is very Chauvinistic
Atheism Strong anti-Hinduism Strong anti-Brahminism Strong anti-Saiva-Vellala-ism Moderate support for Buddhism, Christianity and Islam Strong aversion to the Varna system General aversion towards anything which was related to Aryan or Brahminical in nature. Separate country for Dravidian people Aversion to Hindi and other Aryan Languages Support for Dravidian languages Support for English Against Untouchability Against competing in elections
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by Vimala S on May 01, 2007 11:27 AM Permalink
Always violence. Catching innocents and taking 'thyagam' from them. And weeping over it and gives or does not give them some money. It was a party built on violence. It is a rotton mentality.
IT SHOULD BE REMEMBERED THAT THEY STARTED STRIPPING JAYALALITHA'S DRESSES AT THE HOUSE, THIRUNAVUKKARASU PROTECTED JAYALALITHA OFFERED HIS VESHTI TO COVER HER AND WAS ABLE TO MANAGE TO BRING HER SAFELY OUTSIDE, WITHOUT MUCH DAMAGE.
DO YOU THINK, A RULER WILL DO THIS?
IT IS THE VIOLENCE AND ATTROCITY THEY CULTIVATE IN THIS RAM'S BHARATH.
RE:Periyars views
by Prakash Gomathinayagam on May 01, 2007 11:43 AM Permalink
Spread the rumour. Small introduction about Vimala S. She/he was an MLA and was attending the assembly during that time.
RE:Periyars views
by manickam ravi on May 01, 2007 01:46 PM Permalink
dont blough.the present cm once told Mrs. ananthanayagi to see inside her petticoat, when she asked about the development of tamilnadu during dmk regime. the other name of dravidans are perverts. they cant distinguish between mother, sister and wife. it is unfortunate these idiots are supported by foolish public.
RE:Periyars views
by Vimala S on May 01, 2007 11:20 AM Permalink
Not only that the fact has not been given to the youngsters, in the history books. This has been comfortably hidden and they are ruling today. And speaking so many things. I still insist that the freedom fighters should be given more and the betrayers of this nation have to be exposed and be informed to our younger generation.
The origin of the caste system, formulated by the great legislator Manu, was admirable. He saw clearly that men are distinguished by natural evolution into four great classes: those capable of offering service to society through their bodily labor ( Sudras); those who serve through mentality, skill, agriculture, trade, commerce, business life in general (Vaisyas); those whose talents are administrative, executive, and protective%u2014rulers and warriors ( Kshatriyas); those of contemplative nature, spiritually inspired and inspiring (Brahmins). "Neither birth nor sacraments nor study nor ancestry can decide whether a person is twice-born (i.e., a Brahmin);" the Mahabharata declares, "character and conduct only can decide."Manu instructed society to show respect to its members insofar as they possessed wisdom, virtue, age, kinship or, lastly, wealth. Riches in Vedic India were always despised if they were hoarded or unavailable for charitable purposes. Ungenerous men of great wealth were assigned a low rank in society.
"Inclusion in one of these four castes originally depended not on a man's birth but on his natural capacities as demonstrated by the goal in life he elected to achieve," an article in East-West for January, 1935, tells us. "This goal could be (1) kama, desire, activity of the life of the senses (Sudra stage), (2) artha, gain, fulfilling but controlling the desires (Vaisya stage), (3) dharma, self-discipline, the life of responsibility and right action (Kshatriya stage), (4) moksha, liberation, the life of spirituality and religious teaching (Brahmin stage). These four castes render service to humanity by (1) body, (2) mind, (3) will power, (4) Spirit.
"These four stages have their correspondence in the eternal gunas or qualities of nature, tamas, rajas, and sattva: obstruction, activity, and expansion; or, mass, energy, and intelligence. The four natural castes are marked by the gunas as (1) tamas (ignorance), (2) tamas-rajas (mixture of ignorance and activity), (3) rajas-sattva (mixture of right activity and enlightenment), (4) sattva (enlightenment). Thus has nature marked every man with his caste, by the predominance in himself of one, or the mixture of two, of the gunas. Of course every human being has all three gunas in varying proportions. The guru will be able rightly to determine a
RE:EVERY SOCIETY ALL OVER THE WORLD HAS CASTE SYSTEM IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
by Kishore on May 01, 2007 11:22 AM Permalink
good aritcle ,from where did you get it
RE:EVERY SOCIETY ALL OVER THE WORLD HAS CASTE SYSTEM IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
by sridhar gorantla on May 01, 2007 11:53 AM Permalink
Here is the exact pointer to this excerpt:
The international acclaims that this book gathered irrespective of religion or profession or race or nationality itself tells the importance of this book. I have myself not seen any person NOT getting out the of mess of the current world
after reading this book. Also, a person will understand what truly GOD by experience by the time one completes reading this book. Subtle things that apparently look mysterious or confusing will be understood only by accessng the first hand knowledge from those who are fully enlightened rather than half knowledged ones. Read this and you will not be disappointed about your thirst of knowing ALL PERVADING GOD OR DIVINITY AND THE TIMELESS AND TIMETESTED MAGNANIMITY OF INDIAN SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE AND VALUES.
RE:Tamilnadu Hindus...
by Prakash Gomathinayagam on May 01, 2007 11:13 AM Permalink
I don't know why non-tamils have this much interest in Tamil nadu politics.
why r u so touchy? why this tamil / non tamil divide? b united. forget region, caste and religion in this age of science. it is the age of internet and globalisation. earlier it was not possible to know so much about periyar for a north indian like me.
TamBrams being driven out of TN is a good thing. If they stay back I am sure there will be a genocide of them in TN. Brahmins generally feel they are superior to others in knowledge and cleanliness and I have personally experienced it. They go to ridiculous extent of cleanliness. However they are not the true exploiters of Dalits as is commonly believed. Some Brahmins may have exploited Dalits. This forced migration will help them to realize how vulnerable they are and they will now try to form alliances case in point is UP. Also their obnoxious sense of superiority will come down I hope and they will treat others as equals. All said and done Brahmins do have a lot to offer to the country. Actually their situation parallels that of Jews in Eurpore. Any TamBrams will do well to move out of TN ASAP you never know when the genocide might start.
RE:RE:I would say
by on May 01, 2007 03:07 PM Permalink
Genocide. Aha, Humanist, your real feelings are out. Let me guess, you are a from a land-owning OBC caste who has used the Dalits to clean your shit for centuries with a crushing inferiority complex about Tamil Brahmins.It was not Brahmins who denied Dalits water after the Tsunami but mainstream OBC castes like you, Humanist. Periyar should have hated caste, but he became a hater of Brahmins only. The \"Sudra\" ( pardon the term ) Inferiority complex at work. There is 74% reservation in Tamil Nadu not because of Dalit oppression - which continues merrily - but because the OBCs ( this includes everyone but Dalits and Brahmins ) in spite of being far wealthier, dont want to compete with Brahmins on equal terms. Ever Wonder why they have institutionalized their idiocy?
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by on May 01, 2007 03:14 PM Permalink
Unless I have it wrong, and you are a frightened Brahmin... Dont run from injustice in TN, Remember, the US Embassy In India used to call our nuke weapon the "Tamil Brahmin Bomb" in Delhi Embassy parties. We have full recourse to the constitution and world opinion to make it very hard for anyone to start a Modi-style Genocide. Demand your rights fearlesssly.
RE:I would say
by rocky on May 01, 2007 11:16 AM Permalink
Brahmins didnt feel superior or didnt supress any body. No body told any body to get supressed... just think.... Alll these supressed ppl were happy to be supressed... Who told them to be a slave..Our country became a slave to British becos of our fellow Indians...similarly these became slaves becos of their fellow caste ppl... These stories told so that they can enjoy the benifits now....Without doing any anything they want seats in IIM and IIT based on their supression some 50 yrs back.. As u can see even now they re happy to be supressed, they very happy to be a OBC/SC/ST...afterall they re enjoying a benifits of being the same.
My overall pt, they re happy being a backward class/supressed class....Dont blame Brahmins for ur Laziness.. Go and do work, study well....and try a get a seat in IIT/IIM though merit... Dont blame Brahmins for ur failures in life..It is ur own life and u have to decide where u shuld go.. no body can stop u..
RE:I would say
by Prakash Gomathinayagam on May 01, 2007 11:37 AM Permalink
Nobody likes to be suppressed. Imagine yourself, born as a MBC. 90% of the case, your father will be having a saloon/Selling Harrack [yeah there is a caste to do that!]/Climbing Palm tree. one of this. Here your parents are not educated, nor have enough money. I agree there are many Poor Brahmins, atleast their parents are educated, which itself helps in bringing their child to a good state [ say, they buy a loan at low interest]. your father is illiterate, he drinks and is stupid. so for you, your parents are not going to do anything, the easy chance is u become like ur father and the cycle continues. but for poor Brahmins, the child has atleast a literate parent. That might help getting out of the cycle[ in most of the cases it does]. Tell me how will u break ur cycle, if the government also is not helping u pull out ?
RE:I would say
by Ram Sharma on May 01, 2007 12:02 PM Permalink
prakash i am a 59 year old rajasthani brahmin brought up in kolkata. both my parents had never been to school. upto class VI i studied in a hindi medium school, which had only one teacher and there was no blackboard. my father wanted me to stop studying further after class VII. but i wept and my mother asked him to allow me to study further. i even got married when just 18, due to my parents insistence. but i was lucky to become a graduate mechanical engineer. my father was a shopkeeper. we did not have electricity in our house till i was 9 year old. we were from lower middle class. i feel that we should forget about caste and religious differences. let us live like world citizens.
RE:I would say
by shekar on May 04, 2007 12:05 PM Permalink
good one to live like world citizens but do ur little bit to eradicate untouchability only then ur words will be true.
RE:I would say
by rocky on May 01, 2007 12:57 PM Permalink
Good point Ram.. But dont say ure lucky enoough to pass Mech Eng... u did hardwork considering ur situation, and ure in good position now. Keep it up...Only guys like u can say "let us live like world citizens" becos u struggled hard to come up in life, u know that value... While ppl here who are cribbing abt Brahmins, dunno that value, they always look for a easy way out and finally blame others for their mistakes.
RE:RE:I would say
by Humanist on May 01, 2007 11:42 AM Permalink
good point Prakash. But economic considerations also have some weightage is it ? What about rural boys and girls . What about girls ? Dont you think all girls are born with a heavy disadvantage in India should'nt they be given more weightage. And why a guy whose father is some IAS/IPS get benefit of reservation. There should a calibrated system and the present systems simply is not fair to anybody but the rich OBCs
RE:I would say
by rocky on May 01, 2007 11:44 AM Permalink
Prakash, Good point Prakash.. wat u said 100% right...But u can clearly see ur point, If a kid ent grow up well, it is their parents who did the mistake...not Barhmins or any other caste. I accept many ppl working Saloon etc..so here families income should base for reservation.. So now wat is happening all ur fellow MBC in the creamy layer is enjoying the benifits, it is not FC who is stopping u, it is ur fellow caste ppl who is ditching u...taking all the reserved saets for the deserving MBC students.
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by Vimala S on May 01, 2007 11:41 AM Permalink
It is a monkey , which snatched the garland. It is like a dog gets a full coconut and not able to eat it and never allows others to come near it.
RE:I would say
by Humanist on May 01, 2007 11:26 AM Permalink
dude rocky dont talk about the present generation Hindus. I am talking about the past. The older generation believes a Brahmin is superior to other castes by virtue of his being a Brahmin. If you are Brahmins you can ask them frankly. Not just Brahmins of course but all castes feel the same there is a pecking order of castes , now thanks to IT industry it is slowly vanishing. Also I am against caste being sole criteria for reservations, it should consider all possible factors like rural/gender/income/caste/whethere parents have utilized reservations etc
RE:I would say
by rocky on May 01, 2007 11:37 AM Permalink
Let us forget the past.. How long we are going to think abt past.. First it was British, who made us fight among ourselves... now we ourselves are finding a way to begin a fight.. Ok fine assuming Brahmins supressed Dalits or etc... I believe they are given 50 years, to come up in life, there are reservation every where in India.. check out all the govt offices, education, top most intitutes etc...there are so many chances given to OBC/SC/ST etc... if they still talk abt the past, then I am very sure they are just searching a excuse.. Just see countries like Japan and Singapore, so how they have developed... There is mixed population in Singapore, have u ever seen them fighting for language or caste or etc....
RE:I would say
by Prakash Gomathinayagam on May 01, 2007 10:53 AM Permalink
Tamil Brahmins are integral part of Tamil nadu. don't spit venom against stone. it is mere waste. For the matter of fact, Most of the ancient literary work of Tamil is unveiled by a Tamil Brahmin, known as Tamil-Thatha [Tamil Grandpa]. Periyar Started the movement against Brahmism. The word, which i don't agree with, but implies the meaning Castism. DMK changed it towards Brahmins for politics. It is divide-and-rule game.
RE:I would say
by Vimala S on May 01, 2007 11:38 AM Permalink
Hey Prakash, you just support Brahmin. You do not know in detail about this. Why define and divide Tamil Brahmin and all?
The human needs are never covered by DMK in the official policy , of the party, which are always distrupting. Such as some anti-ism. (Anti-brahminism, anti-god, etc.) It is never towards peace. Their is no humanity shown for Brahmins, the Periyava was much disrespected , with a lot of jokes, the society was not nutured by DMK. Rather we can say that it is always distrupted. They simply say that God is not there and the god worshippers are barbarians. Is the God worshippers do distrupt Karunanidhi or Karunanidhi distrupts god worshippers?
Why they want to kill the brahmin first when at sight in comparison with a snake? Are they showing mercy to snake. If they love snake they can always go to some temple and offer milk and egg. In toto , this is inhuman.
RE:I would say
by Humanist on May 01, 2007 10:58 AM Permalink
was'nt Periyar the one said "If you see a snake and a Brahmin, kill the Brahmin first" ? No amount of literary manipulation can hide it. He hated brahmins that is a fact and made hating brahmins a ideology. Any hate based ideology is wrong regardless of who proposes it.
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by Prakash Gomathinayagam on May 01, 2007 10:59 AM Permalink
I wud be happy, if you can quote the article instead of spreading rumouts
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by Prakash Gomathinayagam on May 01, 2007 10:58 AM Permalink
It is not like Genocide. For Genocide to happen, a dictator has to be there [ like Narendra Modi ]. In Tamil nadu, these Brahmins/Non-Brahmins are merely used for Political benefits. Karunanidhi has many Brahmin friends. in fact, his personal Doctor was a Brahmin. I have not heard any Brahmin killed/Jailed due to these issues in Tamilnadu in the past 30 years history [which are typical in case of Genocide dictators].
Once a atheist went to Pope and said: "Pope, I am an atheist". Pope asked: " Have you read the Bible". Atheist says "No". Have you read the "Gita or Quran or any other book of a religion". Atheist says " No". Pope says " Then my friend , you are an ignoramus not an atheist".
I am an agnostic. Periyar was not an atheist he was an ignoramus.
RE:Ignoramus
by Prakash Gomathinayagam on May 01, 2007 10:39 AM Permalink
agnostic means, wavering between religious and ignoramus ? If so, I wud better call me ignoramus than agnostic.
RE:Ignoramus
by Prakash Gomathinayagam on May 01, 2007 11:08 AM Permalink
ofcourse. If you doubt the existence of God, then either you can become religious or Atheist. if he assumes he can not become atheist, then he is ignoramus not an agnostic.
any affluent TamBrams living by choice left in TN ? Sometimes I wonder which is worse forced migration of Kashmiri Pandits or the forced migration of TamBrams, i think forced migration of TamBrams is worse since it was done by a constitutionally elected government, we are no diffrent from Africans where people fight and kill each other for the slightest pretext
Sure, he is a principled guy. Is that the reason he married at a very old age to a woman who was young enough to be his daughter. Offshoots of his party are using caste to survive in TN.
RE:TamilNadu parties
by Humanist on May 01, 2007 11:11 AM Permalink
why not personal life is a good indication of his way of thinking isnt it ? Why would any old guy marry a younger girl ?
RE:TamilNadu parties
by Prakash Gomathinayagam on May 01, 2007 11:16 AM Permalink
There is a proverb in Tamil. Nadhi moolam, Rishi moolam paarka koodaathu. Meaning, we should not back-trail to the source of a Rishi or River [ because it won't ammuse ur imagination ]
