Re: Who is a Professional
by SG on Oct 12, 2009 06:44 AM
Your understanding about the whole issue is pretty limited. This is nothing to do with the dress or how you look or what job you do. Its about how you do your job. In India people are really unemployable because of the disconnection between a degree and common sense! We have a stone-age education system. Barely a mere top 5% of the workforce run this country. Please Read more articles like this and try to understand and discuss with others. Anyway, have fun.
Let us say,all children get equal opportunity for learning. The diffrence starts with the quality of teacher,environment,encouragement to student,guidance by parents,and assessment of the student.All students must be assessed in each class and guided to avail the best course of their capability and aptitude.With none of these factors, I have seen students from a very unpopular school coming up in life and reach top most level in a career.Reason:Pursuation, poverty, necessity for survival,family needs etc; In our country if every student is assessed, properly, we will have kind of experts in every field.
1.Indians lack quality education to inculcate professionalism and individualism right from academics. 2.Indians at home are inculcated for dependency living by culture and religion. 3.90% of indian companies and their management lack professionalism, visibility and accountablity. 95% of companies lack process, model and deliberately avoid policies to demoralize the employees to be profesional. 4.95% to 99% of indians learnt professionalism through globalization with USA work culture influence. 5.95% of indian companies never treat business and family as separate. Indian companies deliberately avoid this minimum ethic to follow. 6.99% of Indian companies accounts, hrm and admin departments are tremendously influenced by family, caste or religios bias which further deferring the inculcation of professionalism among employees through various factors. 7.90% of Indian companies are obsessed quantitately rather than quality. 8. Historic suppresion and slavery right from 8th century till independence has been absorbed as part of culture and tradition could also be other reason . 9.Special regard to age, relation, designation, and status irrespective of talent and contribution at work could also be other reason. 10.Business and Technology not going parallel leading to too much domination of business over technology leading to bypassing of professionalism.
Re: Re: Factors avoiding Professionalism at Workplace
by Praveen Goud on Oct 11, 2009 09:05 PM
I worked in several companies in several countries including indian companies in both india and abroad. Based on the practical experience with indian companies and comparison with abroad companies those are my statistics and understandings. Having travelled and worked in all continents except South Africa and South America those are my findings.
Re: Re: Re: Factors avoiding Professionalism at Workplace
by Ibu Hatela on Oct 11, 2009 09:25 PM
Then its just your perception, not a fact. unless you have sample data of 1000 persons of every type (country, company, level, role etc)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Factors avoiding Professionalism at Workplace
by Neeraj on Oct 11, 2009 09:48 PM
Ibu you are getting bogged down by numbers, how do you know a sample of 1000 is good sample? how did you come up with this number ? What Praveen is implying by these numbers is a "majority". i feel he has summarised quite well and anyone who has worked in abraod and india would agree with the observations he has made
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Factors avoiding Professionalism at Workplace
by Ibu Hatela on Oct 11, 2009 09:55 PM
Thats the standard sample size for any survey. There is difference between majority (above 50%) and 90%. 90% an above can be treated as consensus.
Re: Re: Re: Factors avoiding Professionalism at Workplace
by Ramiah Ariya on Oct 12, 2009 12:30 AM
South Africa is not a continent. And there is nothing called "my" statistics. Either you did a proper study with verifiable statistics or you are just coming up with numbers randomly.
Re: Factors avoiding Professionalism at Workplace
by Raul on Oct 11, 2009 09:49 PM
dear praveen goud can i ask you from where did you get these figures? arnab
Re: Factors avoiding Professionalism at Workplace
by Sunit Kumar on Oct 12, 2009 12:07 AM
The only so called "Professional" argument was given by "Ibu Hatela", to my surprise not a single one including Praveen Goud conutered it professionally but hoped that his verdict be accpeted based on the fact what HE says.
Unfortunately Praveen is right by this track record given the fact we are seeing right here !!
Re: Factors avoiding Professionalism at Workplace
by scott miller on Oct 11, 2009 09:25 PM
God damn u had so much time to write such a long finding of your !
Re: Factors avoiding Professionalism at Workplace
by manickam ravi on Oct 11, 2009 10:35 PM
in india, both in govt. and private companies the "yes men" are treated as competent, intelligent and smart professionals. even if you are competent to be a nobel lauerate, if you are not good in soaping he or she cannot come up. all models and theories will not work before this.
Re: Re: Factors avoiding Professionalism at Workplace
by Praveen Goud on Oct 11, 2009 10:59 PM
Yeap, this is a slavery culture which our indians absorbed as part of their historic suppression and slavery. After independence, they are exploiting the same strategy on next generation of indians. Infact, that is a curse for indians..
A majority of companies in India are run on paternalistic lines, where the owner cum top man is supposed to play a fatherly role in your career development. One honest dissenting note from you against any top management deci- sion and all hell breaks loose immediately, thereafter. It is also somewhat true in the case of US MNCs bring run by Indians in India. May be it has do something with a sense of insecurity of the higher ups.
Some long forgotten professional ,oops proefessor ,oops some great shake has professed this " EVERY PROFESSION IS CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE COMMON MAN" B y this definintion my friends ,every professional like the professional author himself ,is you know what a CONSPIRATOR ,conspiring to stifle free thinking by SERMONISING about what is PRODESSIONAL ,somebody said it right "NOTHING SUCCEEDS LIKE SUCCESS ---SO SUCCESS HAS MANY PROFESSIONAL FATHERS BUT FAILURE ,you guessed it right is an ORPHAN .Another high priest pushing sermons down our unprofessional/incompetent throat. BY THE WAY IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO NOTE THE COST PRICE OF "THE PROFESSIONAL" the book off course ,the author is PROFESSIONALLY PRICELESS off course
Re: PROFESSION & PROFESSIONAL ?
by Rahul Oberoi on Oct 11, 2009 08:40 PM
don't fall for the taunts of the author. They deliberately make statements like this to gain publicity. They know we Indians react easily....and this is the cheapest way to get publicity.
Re: Poor work culture .
by Mahatma Gandhi on Oct 11, 2009 08:25 PM
I had a few friends in engg. and they were from so called "convent" schools who used to do drungs ans other activities in engineering days. So the problem is not schools. Its the way our Bosses make us work like slave labourers. You dont see so much of overnight in UK or Europe.
Why these people are digging graves for the Indians ? Why there is much talk about Indians? On this earth only indians are humans, who want to live as fellow humans ? The Bagchis sharmas and some Johns are successful only at the cost of strugling succeeding Indians who under the most unfavourable conditions making their way to the top. I commend them for their effort and endeavour, and I advise them not to care for those who are barking .
