She said that managers earn fat pay packets and don't move...i think that culture is changing in India....
In most sectors except Indian IT, the managers feel pressure to match the hard work put in by employees and thus end up working long hours.....also, employees are under a mistaken impression that managers put in less paperwork so they don't work...that is not true..
Managers are involved in long telephonic conversations and sending mails......50% of a managers's time is spent in soliciting business over phone, sending status updates on mail and arranging meetings........
If any time is left, manager does performance assessment of his group!!
Re: I don't agree with this lady!!
by bigdaddy on May 20, 2009 02:27 PM
hey dude, it is very clear from ur post that either u r totally ignorant about anything that is happening in todays corp world or u have never worked in such a org. most layoffs and firings happen mostly b'cos of incompetence or failure of higher mgmnt in strategic fronts in changing business environs...long telephonic conversations and sending mails does not by default mean dat only mgr is doin smthn imp or unique. selling a product is imp but it is probably more imp to create a saleable product as done by engrs.
And for ur impression dat mgrs put long working hrs. pls walk in to ne corp office and more often than not d ppl u see idling around and chattin wil be some higher level mgr. so much in the name for strategising !!!!!!
And don't ask abt salary...if u have save a company it is better to remove some top non perfroming mgrs b'cos of whom the comp started goin into loss in first place,den to remove 100's of lower level employees.......dese mgrs are the real cause of failures and b'cos dey r d ones who njoy so many perks and priviledges dey r d ones who shud be held accountable for ne failure and not lower level employees...............
Re: Re: I don't agree with this lady!!
by Aniket Inamdar on May 20, 2009 03:49 PM
From your response it is very clear to me that either you are completely unemployed and always have been or you are in a cocooned existence of your own and don't venture out of your comfort zone...totally bereft of any working knowledge dude.......you need to get a reality check!!
In big organizations, with multiple layers, it is very difficult for senior management to do a performance assessment for each and every individual.......
So, they establish certain performance benchmarks which are nothing more than ballpark figures and expect employees to conform tocertain quality standards...
Now, if employees don't, they identify those from the roster who missed the bus and fire them.....so naturally employees take it personally..
Don't teach me about corporate working environemnts...i have ben at it for 9 years........ To say that mismanagement of seniors is the only reason why layoffs happen is itself an indication of your complete laghable ignorance......
Layoffs happen cos of loss od demand...as demand in the market falls in a recessionary phase, fixed assets start becoming idle...plants are shutdown, distribution centres are leased off to competitors and work force gets laid off........better not shoot some darts in the dark!!
Re: I don't agree with this lady!!
by Indian on May 20, 2009 02:29 PM
you seems to be a manager and this is what all managers do. They do not accept that they don't work
Re: Re: I don't agree with this lady!!
by Tirthankar Ghosh on May 20, 2009 02:53 PM
In Indian IT sector, the situation is not exactly like this. Most of the project managers need to billable to the client for at least 60-80% of the avaiable time. This time, he or she has to be involved in the project in the form of generating the output. Managers need to foot in the requirement, design and testing processes if not development besides their regular management work.
Re: I don't agree with this lady!!
by Raghavan Dharan on May 20, 2009 02:58 PM
I strongly disagree with your views. In my organization, the top executives take away 70% of the total salary and only the rest 30% goes to other level staff. For the 70% of the salary, they work only 30% and the others are working 70% and taking only 30% of the total salary. So, without performing the top brasses are taking high salaries. No doubt.
Re: Re: I don't agree with this lady!!
by Dhruv on May 26, 2009 01:02 PM
I strongly agree with Raghavan, same thing happens in all industries, Managers just make money, output is generated by lower level and middle level..
I understood early in my career that in many cases prejudiced bosses will not appreciate the hard work put in by those they do not like. I had a boss who did not like any competent people and being a government organisation competence was secondary. However hard one worked there would only be fault finding and appreciation of those he liked who were the incompetent, lazy lot. So I worked hard not to please him but because it my duty to work for the pay I got. Those who slogged to lease him were frustrated. Ms.Munshi is right. Good piece.
I wish the pay cuts/ sacking be done at the level where it would be appropriate. I fail to understand why someone working at grass root level, doing every single bit he/she can do for the company is the one who is made to suffer. The situtation seems to be similar everywhere. This should be however recognised and acknowledged that the so called "management" are getting their hefty paychecks because the teams under them are performing and not because they are doing something great about it.
Re: In Accordance to above
by bozo on May 20, 2009 03:44 PM
That is what neo capitalism is all about : managers getting paid for good work done by subordinates and subordinates getting fired for mistakes done by the managers.
very rightly said, when management decided to lay off, they have no regard for all the hard work employee has done. It is always the big managers with fat pay packet and fat belly who think are running show, in fact it is middle and lower level workers who work hard and earn money.
In recession like this it is always the people in the middle management who will get affected bcas people above will not say that they r not reqd. They will not get enough reduction if the fire ppl in the bottom. To be sure about yr position if peple r unecessarily cornering u for some one else mistake and ppl have started interacting with u differenetly.
Now myself also n the same sitn ....was thinking that soom=n myself going to b sacked but not sure......thinking of doing something else nd this was a boost for me thanks a lot