Re: Re: rediff
by Vignesh Muthuvijayan on Mar 19, 2009 11:24 PM
Maybe Sajil's IQ makes him believe that since he counted scores while others played cricket he was part of county cricket
Re: Re: rediff
by Ashwin Ramaswamy on Mar 19, 2009 11:17 PM
then let me guess: because of your brash attitude towards batting you couldn't get selected in the national team and so you are taking it out on players of the calibre of Sachin Tendulkar
Re: Re: Re: rediff
by SAJIL on Mar 19, 2009 11:27 PM
I am talking this for the betterment of Indian cricket. We need more Sehwag, more Ishanth, more Zaheer. India don't need Sachin or Dravid. India must play like champions as did by Steve Australia, dominating from start to finish.
Re: Re: Re: rediff
by SAJIL on Mar 19, 2009 11:28 PM
Probably, I will be in the next selection panel. I will be ruthless with Tendulkar and similar attitude players and bring more energetic players.
Re: Re: Re: Re: rediff
by Ashwin Ramaswamy on Mar 19, 2009 11:36 PM
you mean reckless players so that the team gets shot out for 150-odd on the first day of a test match
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rediff
by SAJIL on Mar 19, 2009 11:52 PM
I will make a team which can: 1. Score 550 runs on day one and declare. 2. Bowl out the opposition twice on the second day. 3. Increase the productivity of mother nation so that people like Vignesh won't skip work/school/college. 4. Create the player of the calibre of Viv Richards, KP, Sehwag, Ponting, Lara 5. Create the allrounders like Imran, Kapil, Botham, Flintoff 6. Create bowlers like Ambrose, Akram, Warne
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rediff
by SAJIL on Mar 20, 2009 12:07 AM
I don't have time to watch test as I am at work. But I feel pity for you guys, who watches such boring batting spread across 5 days.
Tendulkar's average while chasing is 42.89 (45 while batting 1 through 4). He has the best average among Indian top-order batsmen while chasing. Only Dhoni has a higher average, but that is skewed because of the number of not-outs Dhoni has because of his batting position.
Among all-time players with at least 50 innings while chasing, he is 9th in average with the best strike rate (88.64) among them.
If you consider players with at least 80 innings, he is second only to Kallis, who bats at a strike rate of 71.08%.
In crucial matches, namely tournament finals, semi-finals and quarter-finals, his average is 50.88, sixth all-time, behind Gary Kirsten, Bevan, Viv Richards, Miandad and Dean Jones. But none of them except Jones had played in 30 innings, Sachin has played in 47 innings. Here are some averages.
Re: Sachin under pressure
by SAJIL on Mar 19, 2009 11:17 PM
I think above statistics of Tendul includes some cheap runs scored against Sikkim, Meghalaya,Assam, Tripura, Vidarbha, Kerala etc..
Re: Re: Sachin under pressure
by Vignesh Muthuvijayan on Mar 19, 2009 11:24 PM
oooo.... now that there are stats to prove you wrong all you do is accuse. Pathetic.
Re: Sachin under pressure
by SAJIL on Mar 19, 2009 11:21 PM
No need to dig statistics. They never tell truth. New Zealand bowler Kyle Mills is 3rd in ICC ranking. Can you believe this? Sure, that moron,Ajith Agarkar, is better bowler than Mills
Re: Re: Re: Sachin under pressure
by SAJIL on Mar 19, 2009 11:47 PM
Don't you know that Ranking is arrived from statistics. I salute your determination to prove me wrong but I know you are st_upid. Only st_upid people believe in statistics.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Sachin under pressure
by Vignesh Muthuvijayan on Mar 20, 2009 12:02 AM
After claiming that the stats were false, now we are down to calling me names. ICC rankings are not calculated purely on one statistic. It is calculated based on a number of variable values. For a bowler here is the way the ranking is calculated.
wickets taken and runs conceded; ratings of the batsmen dismissed (the wicket of Rahul Dravid is worth more than that of Glenn McGrath – but if McGrath’s rating improves, the value of his wicket will increase accordingly) the level of run-scoring in the match; bowling figures of 3 for 50 in a high scoring match will boost a bowler’s rating more than the same figures in a low scoring match; - heavy workload; bowlers who bowl a large number of overs in the match get some credit, even if they take no wickets; the result. Bowlers who take a lot of wickets in a victory receive a bonus. That bonus will be higher for highly rated opposition teams. Bowlers who do not bowl in a high-scoring innings are penalized. The players’ ratings are calculated by combining their weighted performance in the latest match with their previous rating. This new ‘weighted average’ is then converted into points. Recent performances have more impact on a player’s rating than those earlier in his career, but all his performances are taken into account.
If you are smart enough to understand this, then you would realize that ICC rankings are not as simple as you think.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sachin under pressure
by Vignesh Muthuvijayan on Mar 20, 2009 12:06 AM
Also, if you have one bad series, like Kyle Mills' series against India, it doesn't affect your rating as much because of the weighted mean system. However, if you compare the statistics of number of wickets taken and average at which it was taken, they get affected by each and every performance, without any varying weight.
The difference between comparing true statistics and ICC ranking is the weighted averages and weight of each performance is not equal.
If by any chance you understand this, you would be able to see what I was saying when I told I was comparing averages and not ICC rankings.
Re: Dhoni's captaincy
by Cricket Lover on Mar 19, 2009 10:47 PM
yes,, should we make Harbajhan the captain? He is very entertaining per Sajil. Or maybe Rohit Sharma as new talent should be tried :)
Re: Re: Dhoni's captaincy
by SAJIL on Mar 19, 2009 11:15 PM
Rohit Sharma? Another Selfish guy from Mumbai? We don't want anybody from Mumbai to captain India?
Re: Re: Re: Dhoni's captaincy
by Vignesh Muthuvijayan on Mar 19, 2009 11:19 PM
See now you are showing that you are a Pakistani who wants to divide Indians so that you can win an argument. How pathetic!
Re: Dhoni's captaincy
by harbir pannu on Mar 19, 2009 10:48 PM
and u a complete ass to make such an observation for the most successful captain of India in all forms of the game
Indians lack the killer instinct. They should learn from Australia. Australians would have scored atleast 400 runs on day two and shut the match out for NZ. But our so called great batsmen have just managed to scratch some runs for themselves sacrificing the team's interests.
Re: hamilton test
by Vignesh Muthuvijayan on Mar 19, 2009 11:01 PM
In the last test match Australia played against New Zealand, Australia scored 482 runs in two innings in 158.2 overs (run rate of 3.04) and lost the match. Even in this series against SA, Australia is scoring at an average run rate of 3.45. You don't play test cricket at run rates around 5.
Re: hamilton test
by Bharatwasi on Mar 19, 2009 10:44 PM
The problem with you guys is you don't understand cricket more than housewives do. You only thing as if it is all mathematical game. Please don't talk senseless, if you have limited knowledge on the subject.
Re: hamilton test
by Cricket Lover on Mar 19, 2009 10:48 PM
yes. they scored 209 entertaining runs against SA today. different fact though that they lost all their wickets
Re: hamilton test
by Ashwin Ramaswamy on Mar 19, 2009 11:22 PM
look at where the killer instinct has got Australia today against SA: 209 all out on the 1st day of the match
Re: Where are the Sachin Fans?
by Ashwin Ramaswamy on Mar 19, 2009 10:26 PM
why don't you stop wathcing tests and only concentrate on T20s? you can get your full entertainment there with fours and sixes , cheerleaders and the like
Re: Re: Where are the Sachin Fans?
by SAJIL on Mar 19, 2009 10:47 PM
Do you know that Test cricket can also produce entertainment? Recently conculded Australia and SA test in Australia was fascinating contest between bat and ball, not like the one we are experiencing from Tendulkar.
Re: Re: Re: Where are the Sachin Fans?
by Vignesh Muthuvijayan on Mar 19, 2009 11:03 PM
"facist" is that some type of discrimination based on faces... lol. your IQ kind of confirms that you are a Pakistani, doesn't it?
Re: Where are the Sachin Fans?
by Cricket Lover on Mar 19, 2009 10:22 PM
Yes :), nobody wants to continue ridiculous arguements Sajil. Next you will compare Sachin with kambli since he scored more runs than Sachin in their partnership of 650 runs in school (are you aware of that?) . Or Atul bedade? he hit more sixers in one particular innings than sachin. Sandeep Patil, Kirti Azad? Shoaib Akhtar? Saqlain? Fannie De Villiers. He got Sachin out so many times, so he is a better cricketer.
Re: Re: Re: Where are the Sachin Fans?
by Vignesh Muthuvijayan on Mar 19, 2009 11:15 PM
What truth did you provide? You claimed Sachin's mom can score at a higher rate. That was your "smart" argument. You couldn't respond to any of the stats I provided. You claimed they were false without any basis. Then you run away with the tail between you legs. Tells a lot about you, doesn't it?
Everybody who complains about Sachin's scoring rate this match, look at the way India was batting. After Sehwag was out, it was important to stabilize the innings. So Dravid and Gambhir did exactly that. Each scoring at 48% and 53% strike rates. Then Gambhir is out. By the time Sachin settles in, Dravid is also out. Two new batsmen in the crease with only 2 more to come. It is only sensible to play cautiously. His strike rate is at 52%, which is not bad. I would agree to your point if India wasn't losing wickets. If Dravid and Tendulkar stayed for the entire day and still the score was the way it is, that would be a problem. When you lose to stabilizing forces in Dravid and Laxman, you have to be responsible. If Tendulkar threw his bat around and got out, we would have been in deep trouble with Yuvraj, who has had 2 good innings in the last 10, and Dhoni, who has not capitalized on good starts in a while (he has only two scores above 60 in the last 25 innings) having to play big innings. If you don't understand Test cricket watch T20s.
Re: If you complain about strike rate, watch T20
by SAJIL on Mar 19, 2009 10:24 PM
Testing cricket is not all about dour batting bent on blocking ball after ball. Somebody has to score runs for the bowlers to defend. I think some people in this forum misunderstood test thinking it is just a game of blocking the ball after ball.
Re: Re: If you complain about strike rate, watch T20
by Vignesh Muthuvijayan on Mar 19, 2009 10:25 PM
It is also about making sure you are not out of the game by throwing your bat around.
Re: If you complain about strike rate, watch T20
by Cricket Lover on Mar 19, 2009 10:11 PM
Absolutely correct vignesh. Dont mind Sajil and the others though. I am sure they are into Sachin too like the rest of us and just posting all this total BS to generate conversation..Good for him
Re: Re: If you complain about strike rate, watch T20
by Raghvendra on Mar 19, 2009 11:49 PM
test cricket is something more difficult and meaningful than just criticizing by sitting on chair.
Re: Re: If you complain about strike rate, watch T20
by SAJIL on Mar 19, 2009 10:20 PM
I had like Sachin more than decade back, but I hate him now, he is too selfish. Today, India lost the momentum when Sachin and Laxman were batting; they were scoring at @2 runs per over. They could have increased the tempo against below average attack consisted of dibbly, dobbly medium pacers and the ground too was very small
Re: Re: Re: If you complain about strike rate, watch T20
by Vignesh Muthuvijayan on Mar 19, 2009 10:24 PM
Stop watching test cricket and watch T20s. It seems like your brain can process only that level of cricket.
Re: Re: Re: Re: If you complain about strike rate, watch T20
by SAJIL on Mar 19, 2009 10:51 PM
Even Tendulkar's m__om can score runs at a better on this pitch against these kind of bowlers
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If you complain about strike rate, watch T20
by Vignesh Muthuvijayan on Mar 19, 2009 11:04 PM
oooo... smart argument. Now you are showing proofs that you are a Pakistani
Re: Re: Re: If you complain about strike rate, watch T20
by Vignesh Muthuvijayan on Mar 19, 2009 10:26 PM
Sajil, why don't you reply to my post about Sachin's recent stats? All you can do is bark up the tree.
Re: Re: Re: Re: If you complain about strike rate, watch T20
by SAJIL on Mar 19, 2009 10:55 PM
From where you got the statistics? Does it include Runs Mr.Sachin scored in Ranji trophy matches against Saurashtra, Manipur, Sikkim, Meghalaya, Andoman, Lakhshdweep?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If you complain about strike rate, watch T20
by Vignesh Muthuvijayan on Mar 19, 2009 11:06 PM
Check cric-info. They provide all the stats you want. You can use advanced filter on statsguru to get these. Just because you don't have the brains to do research on a subject before posting doesn't mean data is not available.
I don't understand why people want Sachin to retire. In the last 2 years Sachin's test average is 53.85, third among Indians who played at least 10 innings and his ODI average is 47.35, third among Indians. Usually when Sachin is not in the line-up we have Rohit Sharma or Robin Uthappa or Yusuf Pathan taking up the spot. All these guys have an average of under 30. If you want to replace Sachin, please give us a list of players who have the caliber of scoring at least what Sachin does.
Re: Recent stats about Sachin
by SAJIL on Mar 19, 2009 10:25 PM
Please don't talk statistics. Statistics are misleading, Tendulkar scored a lot of runs against BD and Zimbabwe and those should not be counted as runs
Re: Re: Recent stats about Sachin
by Nikunj Dixit on Mar 19, 2009 10:35 PM
He's talking about the last two years. Last I remember, we have not played Bangladesh and Zimbabwe in the last two years.
Re: Re: Re: Recent stats about Sachin
by SAJIL on Mar 19, 2009 10:49 PM
He is giving false information. Tendulkar's last two year's test average is not more than 35.
Re: Re: Recent stats about Sachin
by Kumar on Mar 19, 2009 11:30 PM
idot.... sachin played 6 test against zimave and less than 10 test against bld... out his 160 test... not even 10% test and not even 10% runs agaist those teams... I think ur name look like ur unedacuted pakitani...
The way some ppl like Sajil criticize Sachin is as if they pay him to play or as if he is employed with them...Mr. Sajil, never mind if u r not 'entertained' ..a majority of Indians and a majority of cricket lovers around the world which include ex-players also (who happen to know more about the game than u) are entertained when Sachin bats...so if u r not entertained that is ur problem
Re: Sachin Tendulkar
by SAJIL on Mar 19, 2009 10:07 PM
You and Mr. Ashwin does not form majority India. Majority like to see to India winning playing a good entertaining cricket
Re: Re: Sachin Tendulkar
by sanath on Mar 19, 2009 10:16 PM
great ! so I and Ashwin do not form majority, but u do. Read papers...DC reported that in a survey, even today kids want to be Sachin Tendulkar with 67% votes, Yuvraj came 2nd with only 27% votes, Dhoni came a poor 3rd with 6% votes...I guess the readers of DC are also a minority as compared to u..Grow up !
Re: Re: Re: Re: Sachin Tendulkar
by Philanthropist on Mar 19, 2009 11:08 PM
u had conducted survey with those people who scr_ewed u and ur sis day and night.....choos beta lolly choos
Re: Re: Sachin Tendulkar
by Ashwin Ramaswamy on Mar 19, 2009 10:18 PM
your idea of entertaining cricket might have got India at 330/8 instead of 278/4 ; remember we are to bat last on this pitch and we need a strong lead . Sachin's innings might not please people like you and other critics but it is what India required
Re: Re: Re: Sachin Tendulkar
by SAJIL on Mar 19, 2009 10:38 PM
Lets hope Sachin gets out first ball tommarrow. Then we can see New Zealaind running for cover as Yuvraj and company smashes bewildered NZ.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Sachin Tendulkar
by Ashwin Ramaswamy on Mar 19, 2009 11:14 PM
Yuvraj has just about established himself as a Test batsman ; and on this slow wicket we need to grind NZ out; not smash them out of the game
Re: Re: Re: Sachin Tendulkar
by SAJIL on Mar 19, 2009 10:33 PM
See the match situation and the calibre of bowlers. India were in great position against third class bowling attack. Even Tendulkar's m_Om would have batted more agressively against those dibbly, dobblers.
Re: Re: Re: Sachin Tendulkar
by sreekanth on Mar 19, 2009 11:12 PM
yes thats right. people who want entertainment rather than indian winning are only selfish.
Re: Re: Sachin Tendulkar
by sanath on Mar 19, 2009 10:10 PM
ha ha ha, i and Mr. Ashwin do not form majority, but u do ?..read papers, increase ur knowledge...even today kids want to be Sachin Tendulkar...not Gautam Gambhir or Rohit Sharma
