We are not talking about who won more matches for his team.The Best batsman is one who has better record, better technique, runs against all teams all over the world and whome bowlers respect most....In all these SACHIN SCORES MORE THAN LARA-SO HE IS THE WINNER
RE:We are talking about Best Batsman
by nitin tekriwal on Sep 28, 2007 07:32 PM
well plz guys dnt mind my word. m a grt fan of sachin. and like his cricket other than any one else.... but one fact is there for sure... he moslty fails in the deciding matches ( like final ) he fails to make his contribution...
remember whn pak got 314 and india hass to get 315 of 48 overs in dhaka.. he gt out early and almost every bats men too but somehow gnaguly manged tht time to carry one and won for india.. u know scahin and ganguly is the best pair in world cricket...in so many finals sachin failed....
m again saying the not criticizing sachin but jus countring those who says if he gt the best stats he is the best.. my dear the best one is who win matches for his team... steave waugh, ricky ponting.. they won so many matches from where its next to impossible to win the game btu they won.. so he is best. still coz he has got immence pressure coz he single handedly take away matches from the opponent. but bst is the one who can handle pressure most of the times. and i feel steave waugh was the one who handled the most. in his time. but yes till he and ganguly is thr in the team the team is more strongest than any other team
RE:RE:We are talking about Best Batsman
by deepak shankarwal on Sep 28, 2007 07:45 PM
Nitin sir do u remeber 1998.. India won 7 or 8 series in that year... In all finals sachin made 100s. only in 1 final sachin could make any run and india lost in that series.. Go and open cricinfo and check the statistics of 1998 matches...
Advancing age does not automatically spell doom for certain types of sport, and cricket is one of them, being a not-too-physical game. At 34, Sachin still has many years of cricket ahead of him if he's fit and capable, which he seems to be. So all this talk of being better or worse than Lara or anyone else is besides the point. What matters is whether he's still capable of playing good cricket, and the answer is yes, sort of.
RE:sachin vs lara
by A P on Sep 28, 2007 07:42 PM
He played that when his back was hurting! and the other team member could not get the required 'few' runs! Will Sachin always remain a ONE MAN ARMY? What are the others in the team doin? Tendulkar scored 136 but India lost to Pakistan by just 12 runs - 12 runs!!!!!
28 Jan to 1st Feb 1999, 1st test India vs Pakistan, Chennai: It was the first time that India and Pakistan were playing a test match on Indian soil for 12 years and the first ever test series between the two countries since 1989. Sachin was dismissed for a duck in the first inns by off spinner Saqlain Mushtaq. But Sachin more than made up for it by scoring 136 in the second inns and almost took India to an unlikely win. India were 82/5 in their second essay chasing 271 to win. Sachin battled back spasms and a pumped up Pakistani team with a superb blend of defence and attack. He carried on and when India were just 17 runs away from their target he fell victim to Saqlain again. His wicket gave the Pakistanis a new lease of life and they polished off the lower order to complete a thrilling 12 run win. That was the first time fans saw Sachin wince in pain on a cricket field and although he won the man of the match award it was little consolation for Sachin who broke down in the dressing room after he saw India being beaten from a seemingly winning position.
RE:sachin vs lara
by Manoj Mehta on Sep 28, 2007 06:57 PM
Unni,
Despite of being injured, Sachin scored a century in India's run chase at Chennai against Pak . If all other remaining 5 batsmen put togather 15 runs which was balance when he got out what was his fault?
RE:sachin vs lara
by REETESH NAIR on Sep 28, 2007 06:46 PM
INDIA LOST CHENNAI TEST BCOZ OF OTHER FOOLS IN THE TEAM & NOT BECOZ OF SACHIN. CHK UR MEMORY BEFORE COMMENTING.
RE:sachin vs lara
by koustav s on Sep 28, 2007 06:43 PM
This forum is about best batsmanship and not tight finishes...In tight finishes Bollywood heros top the list.
You marathi People can not digest other's success, You mean to say Dhoni has prooved whatever that is by luck, you do not know about cricket. You need to learn many thing about cricket. Results always proof. This is just about a story - A student do lot of hard work, maximum time only reading but result says - he is not upto the mark as per hard work. Whereas in the other side A student does the things properly with perfect timing, using perfect brain and getting the result - FIRST CLASS with DISTCN.
Because DHONI has given the world cup after a 24 years and which sachin failed miserly in 5 world cup what he played, that is the reason you can not digest. Get some TAB.
RE:This is for Suresh Joshi
by Priyadarshan on Sep 28, 2007 06:44 PM
kumar you have raised the point these mosquito are jealous they have only one tired and wired sachin where young heros are rushing from whole country and achieved whatsachin could not.
RE:This is for Suresh Joshi
by koustav s on Sep 28, 2007 06:42 PM
I am non Maratha...Sachin belongs to the sports world and He is the greatest batsman ever...Dhoni is not capable yet to become a dust particle in Sachin's boot.
RE:This is for Suresh Joshi
by Amrit Patil on Sep 28, 2007 07:00 PM
Kumar you must be writing this message from Mumbai, You people come to Mumbai for bread & butter & at the same time you starts commenting on our Marathi culture. You always forget that you are staying in one of the safest place in India where no body is bothering you nobody wants to poke his nose in your life. So why you are blaming Marathi people? Our Mr. Sharad Pawar invited Dhoni & his team to Mumbai, he felicited them. It was one of the great welcome I ever seen & that too after hectic night of Ganesh Visarjana & still you blame Marathi people if Marathi people can not digest Dhoni's success they would not have gathered in such large nos to welcome Dhoni! We love cricket & we love every great performer from any corner of the Country.
RE:This is for Suresh Joshi
by Srinivasan Krishna on Sep 30, 2007 12:34 AM
A great pity, your thought process Kumar. Dhoni has to go a long long way before, forget his captaincy, his place in the side is permanent. He is just a few years old to cricket, and it is well to leave him to do his job. 20-20 was indeed lucky for India, players, advertisers etc. period. But t is not the real cricket like ODI's nad test matches. Well about Sachin. In the last WC in the finals he failed. he was the highest run scorer of the WC tournament and one match he could not go ahed, when you stare at 350 odd runs to chase! You know who lost us that match? Our great successful captain Ganguly! you know why? After winning the toss he elected to field against Australia. i do not know if you will understand waht i am trying to say & by the way i am not a Marathi. Cheers!
RE:RE:This is for Suresh Joshi
by A P on Sep 28, 2007 06:38 PM
"sachin failed miserly in 5 world cup" i think u meant miserably!! look at world cups prior to 2007 .. the runs he has sored... the team failed him .. he did not fail the team! Cicket is a team game not a one man army as it has been for the past one decade... a captain is as good as his team... if other players wudnt have played well.. dhoni wud have not got the cup. Kudos to the young lads of india! just 'cos india did well and won the cup, does not give u a license to call the GREATS of indian cricket 'miserable'
RE:This is for Suresh Joshi
by A P on Sep 28, 2007 07:33 PM
WOW! Give Ricky Ponting (Great captain) a team of people who cannot play cricket! Lets see if he wins! They have a proper leader dont they! The only work selectors have to do is find a great leader! then India can win all matches!!!
RE:RE:This is for Suresh Joshi
by nitin tekriwal on Sep 28, 2007 07:55 PM
thn also they cannot win , buddy. grt leader can lead his team, but my dear team should hav some players too who can play cricket and have talent.... too
RE:RE:RE:This is for Suresh Joshi
by nitin tekriwal on Sep 28, 2007 07:56 PM
thn also they cannot win , buddy. grt leader can lead his team, but my dear team should hav some players too who can play cricket and have talent.... too
RE:RE:RE:This is for Suresh Joshi
by nitin tekriwal on Sep 28, 2007 07:53 PM
100% agree. all the players have to be united and play for india. then only they can win the cup for. look this time...everybody has contricuted in diffrent games. whn gambhir got out yuvi made, whn he fails other player made and so on... also wickets os its team effort who can win matches for ur team but not single player.. sachin did it past but my dear he only scored half runs wt if other players failed to make run.. so sachin made his contribution more than 100% but the other players also needed to be participate to make a team win not oonly personalize win.
RE:This is for Suresh Joshi
by nitin tekriwal on Sep 28, 2007 07:42 PM
c mr kumar, its a team work which has got the world cup btu not only dhoni's captaincy.... it was his luck only..... u remember each n every game... in league matches against pak. india won by bowled out, agasint england they almost got tht, agains t sa, they lost quick wickets, agasint any other country they just have the benifit of playing first coz btting 2nd was not easy. if india batted 2nd they would have been lost by major margin..... sachin never fails buddy but if other players dnt gve support thn wt gonna sachin do alone....n y only sachin y dnt u fingure out ganguly, or any other bats man. indians have to improve their fielding, their bowling slog overs... and should learn how to bowl more bouncers and yokks in the end.
RE:This is for Suresh Joshi
by prajwal dalmeida on Sep 28, 2007 06:35 PM
look sachin was d highest scorer in 2 WC.if the team failed it was not only his failure
RE:This is for Suresh Joshi
by Kumar Kalyan on Sep 28, 2007 06:37 PM
But when it was required, he never played. That is the reason we can not win the final.
RE:This is for Suresh Joshi
by Dipender Chaudhary on Sep 28, 2007 06:47 PM
But don't you think that Yuvraj and Dhoni both failed to add runs when India needed most in 20-20 WC final? If India had lost then you would have said the same for these two? So stop blaming Tendulkar --it has to be team effort.
RE:RE:This is for Suresh Joshi
by nitin tekriwal on Sep 28, 2007 07:46 PM
truly said. 100% agree. when it was needed again. both dhoni and yuvi got out early , and only gambhir was there to survive and made it....also wt happen to bowlers. whn they needed 59 0ff 30 bowls with only 4 wickets remaing they could have won the match so easily.. it was only misbah who took pak to tht point and only by his foolish shot selection they lost , otherwise india was almost lost the match
RE:RE:This is for Suresh Joshi
by A P on Sep 28, 2007 06:39 PM
You mean Sachin should play each game! He cannot fail? is he not human? If he did not play well in earlier games... india wud have not reached the semis even!
RE:This is for Suresh Joshi
by bhushan mudholkar on Sep 28, 2007 06:48 PM
Do u think dhoni played in the final of 20-20.NO.then y dhoni only has been aired as winner for 2020 word cup. it was because of team effort. now Mr kalyaan compare Dhoni and Tendulkar and think y these two fellows didnot play in finals(its ur complain).as a cricketer who is better u should be knowledgeable enough to make out.
RE:This is for Suresh Joshi
by Manoj Mehta on Sep 28, 2007 07:00 PM
Kumar, Both Yuvraj & Dhoni failed failed in the final of 20-20. What do you say now?
RE:This is for Suresh Joshi
by Suresh Joshi on Sep 28, 2007 06:47 PM
look kalyan first dont make regional comments here...take it easily..... now tell me whats the dhoni's overall record in world cup...also in last world cup dhoni was also there then whats goes wrong???? why we are out of game at that time...AND one more thing you will be the same people who will blame for dhoni for every single loss??? and keep in mind in captain sheep made total change in batsman's old passion and dhoni will be the next target....
RE:This is for Suresh Joshi
by John Parappuzha on Sep 28, 2007 07:02 PM
Dhoni's record = winning a world cup. And sachin do not have this record because he fails to deliver in the matches that matter the most. Agreed that it has to be a team effort. But Sachin is the leader of indian cricket, and we need leaders to deliver on finals/ pressure situations and for last 18 years Sachin consistently fails to deliver at that time.
RE:RE:This is for Suresh Joshi
by nitin tekriwal on Sep 28, 2007 07:43 PM
c mr kumar, its a team work which has got the world cup btu not only dhoni's captaincy.... it was his luck only..... u remember each n every game... in league matches against pak. india won by bowled out, agasint england they almost got tht, agains t sa, they lost quick wickets, agasint any other country they just have the benifit of playing first coz btting 2nd was not easy. if india batted 2nd they would have been lost by major margin..... sachin never fails buddy but if other players dnt gve support thn wt gonna sachin do alone....n y only sachin y dnt u fingure out ganguly, or any other bats man. indians have to improve their fielding, their bowling slog overs... and should learn how to bowl more bouncers and yokks in the end.
RE:Gratest batsman ever!!!
by REETESH NAIR on Sep 28, 2007 06:58 PM
SHAJI, IT SHOWS FRM UR COMMENTS THAT U DONT KNOW ABT GREATS. U HV PUT ALL THE GREATS AT THE BOTTM IN UR LIST.U NEED TO LEARN MORE.
RE:Gratest batsman ever!!!
by koustav s on Sep 28, 2007 06:37 PM
Shaji, tu paagal hein aur nehi tho tu joke kar rahi hein...Abbe Sunny christian nehi hei...Tu kya ei christian logo ka team banaya?
RE:RE:Gratest batsman ever!!!
by shaji george on Sep 28, 2007 06:40 PM
You idiot, I can read you mind. I have the sportsman sprit but u pig thinks other way. shame on u. you are the big problem for India
RE:Gratest batsman ever!!!
by koustav s on Sep 28, 2007 06:59 PM
HEY SAIJI ,DON'T MIND YAAR-MEIN CHRISTIANITY MEIN CONVERT HO JAYGA-TABI MEIN PROBLEM FOR INDIA NEHI HYA NA...BOL BOL
RE:Gratest batsman ever!!!
by Suresh Joshi on Sep 28, 2007 06:34 PM
then why u r placing them on top????i think u should watched cricket from beginning so your list can be come more funny......
RE:sachin
by koustav s on Sep 28, 2007 06:39 PM
Abbe Best state matlab?where the farmers commit suicide and Sarad Pawar eats all the cake?Sachin greatest ever matlab ei nehi Maharastra best hai.
Well both r great players, butIf somebody asks me who is no. 1, I would put Lara, most of his centuries are big centuries and he also has a 400 in his name. But the moment tendulkar gets his centuries, he feels his job is done. Whether he should be in the team, he definitely deserves to be there, not only because of his past records but also because of his present form.
The man has scored 4 scores of 90 and a 71, 55 in the last 12 innings in the One day internationals.u all know he recvd 2 very rough decisions in the last few matches.he had carried the team to a cup win in ireland, lifted the team from 1-3 to series decider in Lords before he was wrongly given out on 30.the guy was instrumental in the resurgence of the team after the world cup.come on, Give him a break. stop talking rubbish.a player who plays selfishly would never have a strike rate of 85. he has an astonishing average of 119 in the 84 matches india won where he has scored above 45-his career average( 29 out of 41 centuries have given a win for india, 49 out of 83 fifties too).if india lost 48 matches in which he has scored 45 and above,with 11 hundreds and 33 fifties, it is not his mistake, because even in these lost matches, he has an average of 84. what do you expect him to do?to score 200 in 100 balls and take all 10 wickets? cricket is a team game. there are 10 other players in the team who should be as responsible as him.cricket is not an individual sport.every one should add their weight and pull the team to victory. if you consider the fact that,india has won 196 matches he has played,he has picked up 92 wickets in those wins, with 22 times 2 wickets and more.surely in the 177 matches we have lost, the 10 other players could have played a winning hand.great cricketers and critics know about the greatness of sachin and have acknowledged his contribution so many times.
RE:sachin is in very good form now, it is very useful to Indian team
by Anuj Singhal on Sep 28, 2007 06:31 PM
Shastri: So Dhoni, what contributed to the T20 victory Dhoni: Well its all due to big 3: Dada, Sachs and Wall Shastry: But they didnt play?? Dhoni: Exactly!!!!!!!!!!
RE:RE:sachin is in very good form now, it is very useful to Indian team
by Priyadarshan on Sep 28, 2007 06:35 PM
rajan bhai why india is poor u know indian youngsters are wasting their precious time by writing such lengthy and useless write-ups. Anyway keep it up. Sachin bengaya arab pathi and supporters are still road pathies !!! sorry i have no intention to hur u.
RE:RE:RE:sachin is in very good form now, it is very useful to Indian team
by rajan bar on Sep 28, 2007 06:45 PM
Dear Priyadarshan,i am not on roads. i am an engineer and am doing really well in life.I can be of some help to you if you want any advice in your career.dont worry about me. i am not hurt reading your comments at all.when i write about sachin,i do expect these kind of remarks.i never argue with people who think they are the most intelligent in the world and know what is wrong and what is right for others!i just laugh at their wisdom and leave it at that.
RE:sachin is in very good form now, it is very useful to Indian team
by Suresh Joshi on Sep 28, 2007 06:39 PM
listen Priyadarshan ....it seams that you mental status is not good...take same rest....
RE:sachin is in very good form now, it is very useful to Indian team
by rajan bar on Sep 28, 2007 06:41 PM
in the recent series,the team won all the 3 matches where he and saurav have laid a solid foundation of 100 run opening partnership. he has been giving good starts to the team time and again.if u hav knowledge on first class cricket, you will realise that different pitches, different balls, and different weather conditions create huge challenges for the batsmen, especially openers with the new ball.the bowlers have 60 balls to bowl and can correct their mistake in line and length if they make a mistake in one ball or in one over,but the batsman have just one chance generally and if they are very lucky a couple of lives(of late tho' Sachin has been receiving bad decisions).it is not at all easy life out there on the pitch. added to that the unbelievable expectations from the large indian fans, the burden is huge.the youngsters who have won the world 20-20 have done a great job and kapil's devils have surprised in 1983 cup, because there was virtually no expectations at all from us when they went out.
after the great reception, the players will come under pressure of expectation.then their natural game will be affected.you cant expect sachin to play like Afridi, his role is far more crucial in the team.even if the new team is doing well, they should learn from seniors about consistency and perform well in different surfaces against quality teams.
Dravid in both tests and ODI's for 4 more years,sachin am sure,2 years depending on fitness and saurav on form for 2-3 years.
RE:sachin is in very good form now, it is very useful to Indian team
by Priyadarshan on Sep 28, 2007 07:00 PM
sorry rajn bhai again said u no intention to hurt u the argument always going wrong way u know some say sachin is the god of cricket and others and just lilliputians that cannot agreed entire world know sachin is a good batsman and he is one of a key player of teamindia. But what hurt us is sachin = teamindia others = 0 which never ever acceptable to any self respecting real indian cricket fan. Look this T20 india won the match without the god of cricket. It clearly highlights that talented players other than sachin are there who has the strength to achieve the impossible for india, which truth pls do not forget. Sorry again..
Shastri: So Dhoni, what contributed to the T20 victory Dhoni: Well its all due to big 3: Dada, Sachs and Wall Shastry: But they didnt play?? Dhoni: Exactly!!!!!!!!!!
RE:Dhoni thanks big 3
by Madhav Lonari on Sep 28, 2007 06:58 PM
It will be too early to say things like that about dhoni lets wait and see what Dhoni can do in 50 overs of match.By the way Team India learned to Win after Sachin Tendulkars arrival in indian cricket.And iy u r expecting sachin to bring world cup alone why they are selcting 11 players.
