India can never win the World cup. 1983 was a fluke. How can an Indian team who has just one word class player(kapil) beat a team of Giants. It was just one of the day when everything went right for India. West Indies has won all the matches before loosing to India in the final while India hup and puff their way to final and produced one of the worst batting performance in WC final a mere 183 runs before by some miracle West Indies lost all their wickets just short of 40 runs. How can we call such a team World Champions. India has never dominated the scene in any world cup just like the aussies in the last world cup or the West Indies of the late eighties. Even Sri lanka has dominated the World cup like in 1996. So it is clear that the teams which can dominate will win. I can think of only two countries in present form and that is Australia and South Africa . The other teams Sri Lanka, West Indies, New Zealand and England can win when their main batsman click though Sri lanka can win with their fielding and bowling. As for India and pakistan they can play great one day and flop the other day and India has the double disadvantage of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory( wont be surprised if Bangladesh beats India). These teams can win only by fluke and are not the real WORLD CHAMPIONS.
RE:1983 a fluke
by Mi lor on Feb 19, 2007 12:15 PM
Yeah I agree that India can never win the cup because we have seen its performace in South africa recently. These guys are flat track heros and even here also they cannot win consistently. They even LOOSE to kenya and Bangladesh once in home conditions. Whenever we play against Australia recently we shake with fear as if the oz are hurling bombs instead of the ball. It is sad but thats what you get the impression when you see their body langauge whenever they play against top teams like S Africa and Austarlia or face a bowler like Shane Bond.
RE:RE:1983 a fluke
by santanu basak on Feb 19, 2007 04:38 PM
Past performanced doesn't count man. See the way we have come out of the debris to show the world that when India gets going they are invincible.
RE:1983 a fluke
by nithyanandhan on Feb 19, 2007 02:53 PM
my dear friend, what nonsense ur talking they way india won the world cup in 1983 was fluke. how crazy mind ur having think ur self if won anything in your professional or personal do u take it like this. (Fluke). 2nd thing bangaladesh will beats india. i am not able to understand why people like u thinking like this & sending a comment like this if u don't mind can u confirm ur professional. After that i will ask u only 1 question.
RE:1983 a fluke
by bharat on Feb 19, 2007 12:17 PM
1983 win may have been a fluke. But we also won the championship in Australian in 1985 which was certainly not fluke. India dominated all the other teams it played against and was clearly the best team in that tournament.
Again in the 2003 world cup, although we lost to Australia in the finals, India did play well enough during the tournament to establish that it was the second best team in the tournament, which is no mean achievement. Australia have overwhelmed many a teams during the last few years. Yet, like other teams, we do play well enought occassionally to beat them. So, it is not so fair and logical to make such an extreme conclusion that India cannot win the world cup, even though the odds do not favour us to win.
RE:1983 a fluke
by Pankaj Gupta on Feb 19, 2007 01:40 PM
i think u got a negative mind. in 2000 u know who got the man of the series and who win convinibgly in all the matches. who got the highest wkts in that tournament and who has hit the maximum centuries. please whatever our team is of we should cheer and motivate them by givin positive comments
RE:1983 a fluke
by Nilendu Thakur on Feb 19, 2007 02:09 PM
May be the win was a fluke, but for God's sake don't play with the stats...in the 83 WC India had defeated west indies in the league match as well...
RE:RE:1983 a fluke
by Krishna on Feb 19, 2007 02:37 PM
what nonsense! i am sure we are having as much chance to win the WC as any other big team. Don't underrate the hardwork and performances even when we won. thats very mean. we won in 1983 because we could beat others. period! It happened once, we came close to winning in 2003 WC and who knows, we may win this time. No team in the world is invinsible. Look whats happening to Australia. Our country is full of pessimists, who are themselves Good-for-nothing and will be ready to pull down others. i hope this changes.
RE:1983 a fluke
by SAIANAND SRINIVASAN on Feb 19, 2007 08:31 PM
What a stupid pessimistic view? ODI cricket has never been about the "best team winning". it has been about the team that plays well on that day wins! ODI cricket is more of a lottery than test matches.
For this world cup, the team that is in form and plays well on the day, will win. Australians have now lost two consecutive series. They are no more the champions. Any team can win this cup! India have a good chance too. They are in form now!
RE:RE:1983 a fluke
by naveen mahale on Feb 20, 2007 10:55 AM
May be 1983 is fluke but winning only WC cannot say thier worldchampions you have to dominate almost all series played anywhere in world agnst any team
Dear Mate Forrest Gump !!!! I think u don't have logic nor u have brain to counter any one !!! U just poke ur nose here and there just to be here..... !!! In my openion u r no better then the real "Forrest Gump" which Tom Hanks played in the Movie.... !!! Tom Hanks was not in Mental asylum in that movie but i think u need that treatment....immediately !!!!
If dravid is not best but he is equally good like sachin better than ganguly. dravid's % contribution to team's victory is more than sachin and ganguly in tests and odis, he involoved in many partnerships which ended in win for team. Only media is unfair and he has no political backup or godfathers in bcci. How much noise some tv channels and papers are making for ganguly's MOS( actually dhoni deserved it) but same media hardly mentioned when dreavid crossed 10k miles stone or did not hyped his partnership with dhoni in IIIrd odi. media biased
Out of 10K odis runs, dravid scored6500 runs outside india, 53 fifties out of 77(50s) scored outside india. he scored only 12 hundreds which won him moms. dravid had only13 moms in odi and ganguly got 22 hundres and 30 moms out 22 13 are against weaker team and ganguly scored 100 in 2003 WC against kenya. and he won MOS after 6 yrs During his tenuare as captain ganguly did not win any MOS. While dravid withing 8 months of captaicny won MOM and MOS agianst WI (which is better than kenya and zimb) also capped ICC test captain for icc test team and his name is short listed ICC captain award.ppl cricticse dravid's 1yr achievement with gnaguly 5 yrs captaincy. Ganguly had always with him dalmiay and media.While Dravid always sandwitched between sachin and ganguly duel for captiancy, he is doing equally good job as captain within a short span of 1 yr. media and some ppl blindly criticised him for ganguly chappell saga or some players injury, out of form, team's defeat. wen team had lost under ganguly's leadership, nobody passed the negative comments towards ganguly.But without giving credit to dravid's and other players, contributions, ganguly was praised as suceessful agressive captain dravid shared the credit of victory and ganguly took the credit for victory. BUT HARDWORK AND PERFORMANCE CAN MAKE LOT OF DIFFERNCE THAN THE MEDIA HYPE, POLITICAN'S INFLUENCE, AND GODFATHER IN BCCI. DRAVID'S CAREER IS BEST EXAMPLE FOR IT. Dravid 8yrs ago discarded as unfit for odi match is this year leading team for WC and won 3 ICC awards which are known as OSCAR OF CRICKET SUPERB PERFORMANCE SILENT ACHIEVEMENT !!!!!!!!!!
RE:dravid's average is better than sachin and ganguly in WC
by Debabrata Chaudhuri on Feb 19, 2007 03:51 PM
Don't waste time on such thoughts. Cricket is ultimately a team game and Captains are remembered for the team achievements. if Ganguly or anybody plays to win man of the tournament and India wins the tournament, its all profit for Dravid only who will be remembered as the winning captain. Who remembers Jimmy now? 1983 was Kapil's World Cup.
RE:RE:dravid's average is better than sachin and ganguly in WC
by Suman Bhat on Feb 19, 2007 07:08 PM
U R right. Even ganguly is successful b'cuz of contributions of dravid, laxman, kumble and sachin sehwag more than his leadership qualities or agression Why don't u ganguly fans do not give credit to other players??
RE:RE:RE:dravid's average is better than sachin and ganguly in WC
by Krishna on Feb 19, 2007 07:48 PM
They seem to be a bit to obsessed being bengalis. Why don't they think they are indians. when will this region feelings go from our minds?
RE:dravid's average is better than sachin and ganguly in WC
by S Nagarajan on Feb 19, 2007 10:54 PM
Dear Mr. Suman Bhatt,
Thanks for your article. I agree all the points. In india and idian media are always not giving credit to dravid, but all the foreign media including ICC accepts dravid is a great player.
For example, our rival Pak captain Inzamam in an interview told like this when a question was asked to him, whom all u consider as 5 greatest batsmen in modern day cricket. His answer goes like this, Sachin, Dravid, Ponting, Jaques Kallis and Lara. (Ref: http://in.rediff.com/cricket/2006/feb/21inzy.htm)
RE:RE:dravid's average is better than sachin and ganguly in WC
by naveen mahale on Feb 20, 2007 11:02 AM
I agree dravid is a great palyer more outside india then india bcoz even I have seen in TV video some of young pakistanis bowlers were asked who is the best player india and whom they want to bowl the 90% answers were dravid
Winning big games is an art mates !!! Aussies know this art very well !!! There was a time when WI knows this art so they dominated that era !!! Even Pakistanies know this art when Imran and Miandad played in their team !!!
SA doesn't know this art that's why they have choked in big games !!!
U got to believe the mindset of winning big games is totally different from winning other matches !!! Ask any great names wether it is Clive loyad, Imran Khan or Steve Waugh . All these players and there teams know this art of winning big game !!! They will always say "skill can't make any big difference because the team u r playing is equally good skill wise"!!! The only difference is thinking that I CAN WIN and I WILL WIN and u have to raise the level of games which somehow Indians and South Africans not able to do dispite being a brilliant teams !!!!
Aussies KNOW they WILL win and Indians THINK they CAN win !!!!
But I guess India can turn the tables this time after their previous experiences in world cup final !!!!
RE:Winning Big Games is an Art !!!!
by Krishna on Feb 19, 2007 02:43 PM
Its just culture buddy. Aus generally has a sport culture whereas we don't. Thats the only difference. But calibre wise we are as good as the best in business. we don't have a habit of believing in ourselves. Thats our problem. Look at the responses by our friends here. Lot of them are pessimistic. I agree with u. Our team is a brilliant one and can win on any team. They definitely have a chance.
RE:Dravid's WC average is better than ganguly and sachin
by ashok teli on Feb 19, 2007 10:48 AM
If Avg is high that does not mean that he is best batsman than Sachin and Ganguly
RE:RE:Dravid's WC average is better than ganguly and sachin
by Suman Bhat on Feb 19, 2007 10:54 AM
If dravid is not best but he is equally good like sachin. dravid's % contribution to team's victory is more than sachin and ganguly in tests and odis, he involoved in many partnerships which ended in win for team. Only media is unfair and he has no political backup or godfathers in bcci. How much noise some tv channels and papers are making for ganguly's MOS( actually dhoni deserved it) but same media hardly mentioned when dreavid crossed 10k miles stone or did not hyped his partnership with dhoni in IIIrd odi. media biased
RE:RE:RE:Dravid's WC average is better than ganguly and sachin
by Suman Bhat on Feb 19, 2007 11:11 AM
Out of 10K odis runs, dravid scored6500 runs outside india, 53 fifties out of 77(50s) scored outside india. he scored only 12 hundreds which won him moms. dravid had only13 moms in odi and ganguly got 22 hundres and 30 moms out 22 13 are against weaker team and ganguly scored 100 in 2003 WC against kenya. and he won MOS after 6 yrs During his tenuare as captain ganguly did not win any MOS. While dravid withing 8 months of captaicny won MOM and MOS agianst WI (which is better than kenya and zimb) also capped ICC test captain for icc test team and his name is short listed ICC captain award.ppl cricticse dravid's 1yr achievement with gnaguly 5 yrs captaincy. Ganguly had always with him dalmiay and media.While Dravid always sandwitched between sachin and ganguly duel for captiancy, he is doing equally good job as captain within a short span of 1 yr. media and some ppl blindly criticised him for ganguly chappell saga or some players injury, out of form, team's defeat. wen team had lost under ganguly's leadership, nobody passed the negative comments towards ganguly.But without giving credit to dravid's and other players, contributions, ganguly was praised as suceessful agressive captain dravid shared the credit of victory and ganguly took the credit for victory. BUT HARDWORK AND PERFORMANCE CAN MAKE LOT OF DIFFERNCE THAN THE MEDIA HYPE, POLITICAN'S INFLUENCE, AND GODFATHER IN BCCI. DRAVID'S CAREER IS BEST EXAMPLE FOR IT. Dravid 8yrs ago discarded as unfit for odi match is this year leading team for WC and won 3 ICC awards which are known as OSCAR OF CRICKET SUPERB PERFORMANCE SILENTACHIEVEMENT !!!!!!!!!!
RE:RE:Dravid's WC average is better than ganguly and sachin
by bharat on Feb 19, 2007 11:21 AM
Average is certainly one of the most significant parameters to compare batsmen.
RE:Dravid's WC average is better than ganguly and sachin
by Pankaj Gupta on Feb 19, 2007 01:46 PM
dear Suman Bhat Getting higher average doesnot mean that ur better. also for ur kind attention sachin is man of the series last time in world cup and also the best batsman , just for your information
RE:Dravid's WC average is better than ganguly and sachin
by prabhanjan reddy on Feb 19, 2007 02:35 PM
my dear friend,
Are you related to Kiran More by any chance..? Because you always seem to be busy criticizing Ganguly.
Please use this media properly and just not to display your regional feelings. I am neither from Karnataka nor from Bengal or Maharashtra.
For me Average means nothing. If Average is everthing Hussey of Australia is better batsman than Tendulkar. But how many matches did he play...? Even Munaf Patel will have high average in a series if he remains not out in one match and does not bat in other matches.
Averages are only to be used for comparison if played 200 matches and above. In that case I am sure Dravid will not be better than Ganguly.
Both Ganguly and Dravid are top batsmen who served Indian cricket for a long time. But to be honest, Ganguly is better one day player and Dravid is better test player.
Ganguly is a better Captain anyday, because, he built the team and made it a fighting unit. When he took over, the team was in shambles. Yuvraj, Kaif, Pathan, Sehwag were all nurtured by Ganguly only. Obviously Dravid inhereted the good team and just had to maintain it.
RE:RE:Dravid's WC average is better than ganguly and sachin
by Krishna on Feb 19, 2007 02:45 PM
Sachin is a Genius, Ganguly is gifted and Rahul is Hardworking. We need all of them. All the three qualities are needed. why compare?
RE:RE:RE:Dravid's WC average is better than ganguly and sachin
by santanu basak on Feb 19, 2007 04:42 PM
Friends lets hope India comes off with flying colors. No need pulling each others legs or arguing. Three cheers for team India hip hip hurray..............
RE:RE:RE:RE:Dravid's WC average is better than ganguly and sachin
by naveen mahale on Feb 20, 2007 11:12 AM
You cannot just see the average due to notouts average goes high ,Yes all three are good players.But you cannot say dravid is not a good captain we need to give some time to him he has already win matches in india and we have to watchout in WC .Let us deside he is good or bad captain after WC
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