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IAF chief defends purchase of Rafale jets


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Sudarshan Nityananda
IAF Chief on Rafale
by Sudarshan Nityananda (View MyPage) on Sep 13, 2018 02:29 PM

Even without the Air Chief''s intervention, the vast majority of citizens are convinced that the Rafale is a great choice , because of their faith in our evaluation team and its professionalism. In some aspects the Rafale is deemed superior to even the much touted F-35 .
However, what the public may not be convinced by is the sudden about turn from 126 aircraft to just 36 as a necessity. The IAF Chief needs to do some hard explaining as to how the IAF''s stated need for 126 was watered down to just 36 which appears quite inadequate even to a layman. Dhanoa has himself said we are short of numbers , then why only 36 are being procured ? Also why the IAF has abandoned even the partial self reliance of yesteryear and is going in for fully built imports.Once you go public, you have to go the whole hog and not give partial explanations.'

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Wadood Ansari
JUSTIFY
by Wadood Ansari (View MyPage) on Sep 12, 2018 05:39 PM  | Hide replies

He has to justify otherwise ???????

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paul theo
Re: JUSTIFY
by paul theo (View MyPage) on Sep 13, 2018 10:21 AM
IF THEY DONT SAY THIS , THEIR PENSION BENIFITS WILL BE AFFECTED, SO NO OPTION.

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Sudarshan Nityananda
Air Chief on rafale
by Sudarshan Nityananda (View MyPage) on Sep 12, 2018 05:36 PM  | Hide replies

The Air CHief is certainly right about the Rafale capability since it was after 5 years of trials that it was chosen. Nor do we doubt the competence of the selection committee and pilots. But he hasn't explained why the reauirement came down to just 36 aircraft. Inany serious war there will be losses and the old figure of 126 looks like the right figure.
His arguments regarding the 36 planes is not convincing.

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parameswara reddy
Re: Air Chief on rafale
by parameswara reddy (View MyPage) on Sep 14, 2018 10:52 AM
Please read the column cautionly where as 108 Pilot's have to made in india as agreement of UPA Govt.,.....At what cost we are purchasing pilot's in UPV and NDA we have to check... but it is not mentioned any where.

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B.N.Tripathi
RAFALE vs RAGA
by B.N.Tripathi (View MyPage) on Sep 12, 2018 05:00 PM  | Hide replies

RAGA don't know ABCD of Rafale or how many nut bolt fitted in Rafale during UPA & NDA regime, but sure he know his ancestor's corrupt practice since Independent, Also National Herald Ghotala's expericence, he taken RAGA of corruption on his dafaly, nothing else.

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Wadood Ansari
Re: RAFALE vs RAGA
by Wadood Ansari (View MyPage) on Sep 12, 2018 05:37 PM
Does your Super man Defense minister know how nuts and bolts are here.
The Biggest Corruption of century is NOTE BANDI. Frustration of loosing 2019 is telling on all IT CELL'shead.

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harish
Re: Re: RAFALE vs RAGA
by harish (View MyPage) on Sep 12, 2018 10:08 PM
Mr. Ansari. how much money have you lost in note ban. seem to be terribly frustrated

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Jose J
Re: Re: Re: RAFALE vs RAGA
by Jose J (View MyPage) on Sep 13, 2018 01:01 AM
The bolt went in, the nuts stayed out!

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Krishna Swamy
Re: RAFALE vs RAGA
by Krishna Swamy (View MyPage) on Sep 12, 2018 09:28 PM
Earlier one IAF officer. Now IAF Chief.Namo does not open his mouth. With IAF interfereing, defintely something is Fishy. There cannot be smoke without fire.IAF Chief cannot certify what Modi did in France.A real big scam.

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parameswara reddy
Re: Re: RAFALE vs RAGA
by parameswara reddy (View MyPage) on Sep 14, 2018 10:59 AM
Mr.Modi didnot talk about Khaniayya Student leader then it will also a big scam as per you created by Mr.Modi. I am not supporting Mr.Modi. But before judging any thing please clarify correctly about the issue. In UPA case 108 have to made in India under HAL & French Collaboration with how much cost mentioned anywhere ..........

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Krishna Swamy
Re: RAFALE vs RAGA
by Krishna Swamy (View MyPage) on Sep 12, 2018 09:29 PM
Earlier one IAF officer. Now IAF Chief.Namo does not open his mouth. With IAF interfereing, defintely something is Fishy. There cannot be smoke without fire.IAF Chief cannot certify what Modi did in France.A real big scam.

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harish
Re: Re: RAFALE vs RAGA
by harish (View MyPage) on Sep 12, 2018 10:07 PM
Mr.suspicious swamy.

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Jose J
Re: Re: Re: RAFALE vs RAGA
by Jose J (View MyPage) on Sep 13, 2018 01:05 AM
Harsh truth, Harish. Smoke is billowing to the skies.

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paul theo
Re: RAFALE vs RAGA
by paul theo (View MyPage) on Sep 13, 2018 10:23 AM
IT DOES NOT TAKE ROCKET SCIENCE TO KNOW THAT CRORES WERE LOOTED TO GIVE AMBANI THIS DEAL, A COMPANY WHICH HAS NOT EVEN PRODUCED A BICYCLE, SOME UNDERHAND DEAL.

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Sudarshan Nityananda
Re: Re: RAFALE vs RAGA
by Sudarshan Nityananda (View MyPage) on Sep 13, 2018 02:32 PM
It is of course strange for IAF officers to come public with explanations and this is usually left to politicians. Obviously something is worrying the Dovt.

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Vijay Sahani
IAF Chief is being too clever by half
by Vijay Sahani (View MyPage) on Sep 12, 2018 03:11 PM  | Hide replies

The question not whether 2 squadrons of Rafale should have been procured off the shelf or not. The questions are :

1. Were defence procurement rules followed by the govt.?
2. Why the did the price increase from 670 crore to more than 1600 crore per aircraft?
3. Why was HAL removed from the deal at the last minute?
4. Why was make in India shelved?
5. On what basis Reliance will get benefit of 70% of the offset clause?

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Sachidanand Shetty
Re: IAF Chief is being too clever by half
by Sachidanand Shetty (View MyPage) on Sep 12, 2018 04:44 PM
Emergency procurement that is also fly away condition then what is the roll of HAL

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Jose J
Re: Re: IAF Chief is being too clever by half
by Jose J (View MyPage) on Sep 13, 2018 12:39 AM
Who wants 5-day Test matches: more time, small booty.
T20 is most profitable: less time, bigger BOOTY.
Correct?

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paul theo
Re: IAF Chief is being too clever by half
by paul theo (View MyPage) on Sep 13, 2018 10:24 AM
OPEN LOOT OF RS 1200 CRORES PER AIRCRAFT AND HAL. WAS DENIED THIS PROJECT TO SAVE HIS GUJJU FRIEND

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paul theo
Re: IAF Chief is being too clever by half
by paul theo (View MyPage) on Sep 13, 2018 10:25 AM
VERY RIGHT MR VIJAY.

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Saba Pathy
My proposal
by Saba Pathy (View MyPage) on Sep 12, 2018 12:56 PM

Since Airforce need and also capable of evaluating and can negotiate, defence mnstry in future should only sanction a budget for procurement and leave the rest to AF. That way corruption is avoided. Of course one can say defence cheifs may be corrupted, I feel it is most unlikely.

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dhananjay kritu
Rafale
by dhananjay kritu (View MyPage) on Sep 12, 2018 12:45 PM  | Hide replies

Technical evaluation had already put it at number 1. So what is the big discussion going on now.
Since it is a govt to govt deal, changes of corruption are insignificant & negligible
The difference between UPA Rafale & NDA Rafale is UPA Rafale was for bare fighter, NDA is fighter with a number of weapon & other systems. Bare fighter would have needed the systems anyways, so final score is the same

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Namakkal Raghavendran
Re: Rafale
by Namakkal Raghavendran (View MyPage) on Sep 12, 2018 09:43 PM
Simply because it is Govt. to Govt. does it automatically mean there was no corruption? What if both Govts. were corrupt?

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vijay kumar
Men In Uniform should not get indulged in Political Decisions !
by vijay kumar (View MyPage) on Sep 12, 2018 12:44 PM

I pesonally think that the decision was purely political, hence it would not be wise for the higher hierarchy of the defence forces should comment on this. Needless to mention, the Defence Ministry is probably utilising the shoulders to fire, and to gain sympathy/ justification for the overpriced deal ! I am sure, the men in unform has 'no say' amidst netas & babus !

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vijay kumar
Men In Uniform should not get indulged in Political Decisions !
by vijay kumar (View MyPage) on Sep 12, 2018 12:40 PM

I pesonally think that the decision was purely political, hence it would not be wise for the higher hierarchy of the defence forces should comment on this. Needless to mention, the Defence Ministry is probably utilising the shoulders to fire, and to gain sympathy/ justification for the overpriced deal ! I am sure, the men in unform has 'no say' amidst netas & babus !

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brian crasto
The IAF chief should kept out from this controversy
by brian crasto (View MyPage) on Sep 12, 2018 12:23 PM

Previously Air Chief Tyagi is under investigation for Augusta helicopter scandal. Though the Air Chief Marshal has got all rights to give his views, but to air his views in media would lead to controversy. One thing i failed to understand why Tejas produced by HAL has failed. Secondly Sukhois have also got the same superiority as the Rafaels and were manufactured in HAL at 1/3 the cost. We should reduce the dependency on foreign defence equipment s in the long run as it will increase our foreign exchange and created employment in our country

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