Re: Re: Wow Education
by vinu j (View MyPage) on Apr 12, 2014 01:22 PM
Being a localite there,I know it's entirely caste based fight.No other proof than last NTA assembly byelection. The votes split,purely on the lines of cast. Why would left and congress field a Christian Nadar in the area for assembly polls? In the end, all the coastal area Christians voted on religious lines. Purely on numbers Rajagopal didnt win. Me not a sympathiser for BJP, but this is a fact. Ask also for the reason why Selavaraj split from communists and joined the congress? Again Caste fight... The fight could be close as in the by election and depends on how the votes splits.. In north kerala, do they vote for class? Central kerala do they do? its purely numbers..on caste and religion lines Kerala is very much polarised society now on religion lines.
Re: Re: Re: Wow Education
by piri (View MyPage) on Apr 12, 2014 04:43 PM
You are a blind man feeling up an elephant and proclaiming to understand what it is, aren't you ?
Are you aware that the CPM has always polled between 32 and 43 % of the total votes in Kerala ?
Some of those votes, admittedly, come due to the caste compulsions of the Ezhava community, right.
But what about the majority that supports the marxist party ? All of them vote based on caste preferances ?
WHAT ABOUT THE MAJORITY OF THE CASES WHERE VOTERS ARE GIVEN A CHOICE BETWEEN CANDIDATES OF THE SAME CASTE ??
What do the voters do then ?
For stauch idealogists of the CPM (who are still a majority among its supporters), caste wont matter at all. They would vote for anyone who the party nominates. But the number of such ideologists alone no longer is enough to win elections. At the height of the popularity for the CPM/CPI in the late 1950s, early 60s, the party commanded the loyalty of a little less than half of the total voters; this has steadily reduced now to about 25 to 30 %. To win elections in a bi-polar electorate such as Kerala, it is necessary for either group to get into the 35 to 40 % range. It is for this additional vote segment (in the LDF's case, about 10 % needed apart from its core support base) that the party feels compelled to put up candidates based on their caste and religious identities.
This does not in anyway mean that the 25 to 30 % core support group of the left (who would vote for the party irrespective of who the candidate is)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Wow Education
by piri (View MyPage) on Apr 12, 2014 04:45 PM
does not exist, does it ?
Caste and religion are factors in the choice of candidates by the CPM also, correct. But, as anyone with a modicum of knowledge on politics and electioneering would know, this choice comes from the need of the political parties to mop up that additional segment of the votes that go strictly based on the caste of the candidates and not on the basis of idealogy.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wow Education
by vinu j (View MyPage) on Apr 12, 2014 11:13 PM
When you admit ideology alone doesn't win elections,when you admit caste compulsions form a party's support base, better admit voting pattern is on religion or caste lines in kerala or call CPM some other party. grow up confused communist with modicum of electioneering knowledge !! still a lot to chew to become an elephant
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wow Education
by piri (View MyPage) on Apr 13, 2014 07:38 AM
Little oaf, I did not admit that "caste compulsions form the CPM's support base" !
I stated that the CPM's core support base (making up a big majority of the voters who vote for it) votes based on the CPM's idealogy of class struggle and that they would vote for the CPM/CPI irrespective of the caste or relgious identity of their candidate.
It is only for the support of the additional segment of votes (in a polity where all the competing parties - the Congress, the BJP and the regional parties - put up candidates solely on the basis of caste and religious considerations) that the CPM/CPI often choose their candidates based on caste.
What about the candidates put up by the Congress, the Kerala Congress, the BJP and the Muxlim League ?
Has there been any hint of any idealogy for these parties at any time in any election ?
Can anybody believe that there is law in the system ? Can anybody believe our politicians with none raising question against him ? What an open joke to our election with such type of people can contest ?
Children with unwashed bottom and mucus dripping nose are favorites for politicians during poll season. They love to have such children clinging to their shoulders for the whole election period before the voting starts..
I also believe in Tharoor, though I am not a Congress supporter or a supporter of any other party. The last time I voted for him and also asked other family members to consider that option. Simply because I had followed his activities through media even while he was at UN. I believe in what he can do. But this time I did not vote for him. Not because of anything to do with his work, but because of the party he represents. The congress did a really bad job wrt corruption. In fact, the worst way. For me corruption is like cancer. Anyone who forgets his responsibility to fight that is not good for me. To argue such spineless act based on 'political compulsions' is not an excuse. So its time the Congress sit in the oblivion atleast for the next 15 yrs. Its time for them to understand that they are 'public servants'. First learn that before talking about 'serving the people' again! Sorry Mr. Tharoor!
Re: Tharoor - yes! But Congres - No!
by Paradox (View MyPage) on Apr 11, 2014 11:26 AM
If you are talking of scams like 2G, Aadhar.. you have been sold an idea created by BJP.. It's more of a scam by BJP sitting in the opposition.
Re: Re: Tharoor - yes! But Congres - No!
by desi twist (View MyPage) on Apr 11, 2014 06:36 PM
You should continue your meds regularly.. Next you will tell us that the SC, CAG and IT dept is also an idea created by BJP
Re: Re: Re: Tharoor - yes! But Congres - No!
by piri (View MyPage) on Apr 11, 2014 10:38 PM
Oh no, not at all!
The biggest scam till date as far as commoners' interests are concerned is the Reliance KG basin gas pricing scam!
How is that really relevant to the commoner, who struggles full time to keep himself on his two feet ?
Isn't the idea of Partition being such a disaster tailor made to assuage the egos of the minority segment that can eat, drink, gossip and fart and that does not have to struggle to see where its next meal is going to come from ?
Re: Re: Tharoor - yes! But Congres - No!
by Ajit Menon (View MyPage) on Apr 11, 2014 05:57 PM
At least one sane person you are! For those voting Cong and Communists -> do they realize what mess they are supporting at the center?