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Provide paper back-up for EVMs: Swamy


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Mallik Sharma
Go back to casting ballot
by Mallik Sharma (View MyPage) on Jun 01, 2009 12:48 AM

I think the EVMs are not necessary at all; we can safely go back to the casting of ballots old system. That is more reliable. But this time we should require that voters either sign or affix thumb impression right on the candidate's space in the ballot paper. That is not difficult either. Because when you go to a polling booth to vote your signature is taken by the returning officer at 2 places (or at least one place) in a register before he lets you go to the AVM to cast your vote by pressing the button. So what is the harm in asking the people to vote or affix thumb impression right on the ballot paper? In case of narrow wins (1-100 margin) challenged in election petitions these ballots can become crucial and their authenticity can be verified by the signatures and thumb impressions. Well, paper backups for EVM machines is also not a bad idea. But when even developed countries, with more advanced technologies, adopt or revert to the old ballot system, why not we do the same thing now?

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Govind Lal
There should be a paper backup.
by Govind Lal (View MyPage) on May 30, 2009 08:58 PM  | Hide replies

The EVM may be a convenient method for election. If there is any possibility of planting a 'Trojan" software in the EVM it should be viewed seriously. At present we do not have anything to cross check the individual vote polled. As suggested by Mr.Subrahmanya Swami a paper backup is to be introduced. A detailed and thorough study is warranted in the election results of the last election. The political parties can arrange an indepth study of votes polled etc. But these approaches will not stand for legal scrutiny. In the coming elections state/central there should be a paper backup. This should be independent of EVMs




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Atul Neogi
Re: There should be a paper backup.
by Atul Neogi (View MyPage) on May 31, 2009 06:45 PM
Low Technology Hign concept solutions are anyway preferred than High Technology and low concept solutions. When US Bombed Iraq it was High Technology low concept (Bomb the bunkers with high precision laser guided missiles). Reg Sep 11 attacks - it is hign concept low technology (Just Ram a flight into a skyscraper).

We all know which of these are more effective.

Similarly, a paper ballot (low technology) is better than EVMs (high technology)

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Ramesh Anand
Very difficult to comprehend
by Ramesh Anand (View MyPage) on May 30, 2009 08:50 PM  | Hide replies

The victory of Congress is Eighth Wonder of the World.Every one can not be wrong.No one expected congress to win so many seats.It was neck to neck.Congress or Sonia was perspiring.There was no wind in favour of Congress.But they have won.It is nothing less than electronic fraud on EVMs.(electronic voting machines). Whereever they could they influenced by means not known to us except that even in bank accounts operated electronically, one can remove the cash and deposite it in some other account.If this can happen in the matter of money deposited in bank accounts why can it not happen in case of votes deposited in the name of one person/party to shift them to other person/party.Remember congress was loosing allmost in all the seats of Uttaranchal Assly Elections(I am talking when congress formed govt in Uttaranchal)and Congress President Harish Rawat was so disgusted that he announced that he is resigning from the post. This happened arount 12.30 p.m. And low within half an hour congress started leading in as much as 37 seats and won. What was this? Not only that,the Delhites were fedup with congess govt and then there was Jehadi massacre in Karole Bagh,Beadon Pora killing about a hundred people.You talk to anybody,he was against congress rule.Every one expected it to lose Delhi.Even exit poll predicted.But no. Congess won with two thrid majority. Now there was an environment sort of ,to take congress winner even if some one expected it loosing.And now when no body could even

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Ramesh Anand
Re: Very difficult to comprehend
by Ramesh Anand (View MyPage) on May 30, 2009 08:51 PM
dream of congress getting such a big lead,congress itself got about a hundred seats more. It happened when even Sonia was nervious and perspiring.Every one was predicting that it will be neck to neck. So it is nothing it is electroic fraud.BJP is a party of casual people not fully awake to various eventuality. Infact people are more worried about BJP winning than the BJP cadre itself.It looks as if BJP is favouring congress victory one way or the other.It may prove to be inside story after a year or two. But I request the experts in computer science to getdetails of counting from govt and experiment of shifting of votes from one party to another

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Atul Neogi
Re: Re: Very difficult to comprehend
by Atul Neogi (View MyPage) on May 31, 2009 06:48 PM
Rahul started blabbering as to alliance with Nitish, Jaya etc) they themselves were not confident.

Rigging of EVMs coupled with selective omission of names (In a same family, Husband's name was not there but wife's name was there) both of them were staying in the same flat for 4 years.

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Observer
Poeple's mandate or EVM mandate?
by Observer (View MyPage) on May 30, 2009 08:35 PM

I don't find any good reason why majority of people have voted for Congress. The various reasons cited for Congress's victory and BJP's defeat are just masks to cover up a grave fraud played by the Congress/EC on the nation.

So I believe it is manipulated great Indian EVMs which have voted for Congress and not the people.

Congress controlled EC had hastily implemented all EVM elections in 2004. That time itself I had doubted the the motive of the EC behind it. I doubt even if 2004 mandate was people's mandate or manipulated EVM mandate.


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Skunk Werkz
EVM Hacks
by Skunk Werkz (View MyPage) on May 30, 2009 06:11 PM  | Hide replies

EVM's are so easy to hack and produce biased results. Any embedded engineer can do this with ease and leave no trace.

Why do highly developed countries across the world still does it the old fashioned way of Paper ballot?

Even a paper backup from the EVM could be faked...

What should have been done is make the source code of the embedded program available for technical scrutiny by all political parties or top universities and ENSURE that the checksum of the binary which goes into the controller is based on the verified code.

Doing the code-verification now is also pointless since a trojan program which can cause biased results can delete itself once the job is done without leaving a trace.

In short - Pay the price for ignorance. The ignorants should not bark now. They should just make-believe the results as people's mandate though it could be faked at the drop of the hat.

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Govind Lal
Re: EVM Hacks
by Govind Lal (View MyPage) on May 30, 2009 08:56 PM
The paper backup should be independent of the EVMs.

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New York
You can RULE India for $350 million
by New York (View MyPage) on May 30, 2009 04:41 PM

You can RULE India for $350 million AND with the support of Media.
* Total voters = 700 million
* Those who vote = 350 million
* Votes needed to win = 175 million
Since as per BBC, 80% Indians live on 20 rupees a day, you can BUY or BRIBE a vote for $2.
tr . im/jeHj


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Jabberwock
All elections in India are farcical
by Jabberwock (View MyPage) on May 30, 2009 04:07 PM

The late Indonesial leader, Soekarno, said that parliamentary democracy was not suitable for an underdeveloped country like Indonesia or others with a huge number of uneducated or illiterate people.
Here in our own country, a substantial proportion of persons vote for the Conger Party thinking it is the party of Gandhi and Nehru. The close resemblance of the party flag to the National flag and the unscrupulous appropriation of Mahatma Gandhi's name by a ertain gang has been confusing people still further. Add to it the parts played by money power, muscle power, booth capturing, the brainless herd-mentality of casteism and communalism, and so on, and now hacking of EVMS. Unless there is a paradigm change in the election process, there is no hope of improving the situation. TN Seshan tried to bring about a change for the better, but whatever good he did was "neutralized" by the Lilliputian pygmies sent by the governments to thrash and humiliate him.

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Jabberwock
All elections in India are farcical
by Jabberwock (View MyPage) on May 30, 2009 04:06 PM

The late Indonesial leader, Soekarno, said that parliamentary democracy was not suitable for an underdeveloped country like Indonesia or others with a huge number of uneducated or illiterate people.
Here in our own country, a substantial proportion of persons vote for the Conger Party thinking it is the party of Gandhi and Nehru. The close resemblance of the party flag to the National flag and the unscrupulous appropriation of Mahatma Gandhi's name by a ertain gang has been confusing people still further. Add to it the parts played by money power, muscle power, booth capturing, the brainless herd-mentality of casteism and communalism, and so on, and now hacking of EVMS. Unless there is a paradigm change in the election process, there is no hope of improving the situation. TN Seshan tried to bring about a change for the better, but whatever good he did was "neutralized" by the Lilliputian pygmies sent by the governments to thrash and humiliate him.

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New York
Truth
by New York (View MyPage) on May 30, 2009 03:21 PM

"A SOCIETY gets all the politicians it DESERVES." -- Unknown


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