Re: Millitant Missionaries
by GG on Sep 26, 2008 12:40 PM Permalink
Can u point out any any good thing done to poor like this by any Hindu organization in India? There may be some food distribution somewhere. Other than that there is nothing like Free treatment, good education, orphanage etc which are very very essential in a country where 70% of the people are below poverty line. Hinduism is the reason for this ans they don't practice or preach charity for Humanity. People like you are only good for being good to be a fundamentalist for the sake of it.
People who question the Naavati Commission report, specially members of the Congress Party have to answer the following:-
(a) Was the Nanavati Commission legally constituted - if it was not, why did they not object?
(b) The Commission was on the job for the last five years enough time for anyone who felt that Nanavati was biased, to appeal and have him replaced. Why didn't they?
It serves no purpose to come out now and make all sorts of remarks against a legally constituted commission!
As I wander about through the length and breath of India I see many Christian Indians almost ashamed of their birth, certainly of their ancestral religion. The aping of Europeans by Anglo-Indians is bad enough, but the aping of them by Indian converts is a violence done to their country and, shall I say, even to their new religion. (Young India: August 8, 1925) --
I hold that proselytisation under the cloak of humanitarian work is unhealthy to say the least. It is most resented by people here. Religion after all is a deeply personal thing. It touches the heart. Why should I change my religion because the doctor who professes Christianity as his religion has cured me of some disease, or why should the doctor expect me to change whilst I am under his influence? (Young India: April 23, 1931) -----------
Missionary Aim: Uprooting Hinduism
My fear is that though Christian friends nowadays do not say or admit it that Hindu religion is untrue, they must harbour in their breast that Hinduism is an error and that Christianity, as they believe it, is the only true religion. So far as one can understand the present (Christian) effort, it is to uproot Hinduism from her very foundation and replace it by another faith. (Harijan: March 13,1937)
Re: Mahatma Gandhi on Conversions
by globetrotter on Sep 26, 2008 12:34 PM Permalink
You don't have to and thats precisely , why you haven't till date... Has anyone asked you or forced you to convert ... Go to any missionary run hospital , you'll find majority of patients and non christians , and no one ever asks them to convert...
Re: Mahatma Gandhi on Conversions
by globetrotter on Sep 26, 2008 12:37 PM Permalink
Fact 1: Origins of Christianity have nothing to do with Europe ...
Fact 2: Birth of Chrisitianity in India goes back to 2000 years.
Fact 3: We have generations of christians in India .
Being Christian , has nothing to do with not being an indian . Just as being a hindu has nothing to do with being an indian
Re: Mahatma Gandhi on Conversions
by Bold on Sep 26, 2008 12:45 PM Permalink
Thats a joke ! Then what do you mean by "Indian" ? Indian is who lives a Indian way of life, not a Italian/French way of life ! Hindus are true Indians. They follow Indian religion, Indian values, art, music and protect them. Others have no Indianness except by birth. What is the difference between an Italian and you Christians ? just the place of your birth !
Re: Mahatma Gandhi on Conversions
by Guest on Sep 26, 2008 03:36 PM Permalink
Do you think Indians these days live with indian culture & values? If yes, then open your eyes bro bcz Indian culture & values have been washed away by these dirty, filthy western culture, which is destroying our country & its people. This western way of life is a total failure in western countries & now its being follwed by us Indians to fail us as individuals & human...such a shame & pity that inspite of having such a beautiful indian culture & values we still run behind & follow the fake western culture...remember "INDIANS ALWAYS LEAD & NEVER FOLLOW"
Minority support is going beyond the boundries these days...every issue is politicalized....
When there was bomb blast no one protested now when the christians were thought in a hard way to stop conversion...there is a protest from indo-american christians in US!!..Wow have they ever protested for anything good for the country? answer is no...but these people are well ahead to make this issue big n get sympathy.(may b they want to show there strength)... They r asking ban on Bajrang dal, VHP and RSS?y they didnt talk about SIMI n IM???Oh!! they didnt cause any problem to conversion right?...
These minorities after getting all support they dont do any thing for this country ...there heart is else where...they ll be looking to shift either to US or Gulf in case of muslims..there are exceptions but that is nill when compare to majority..
God please save India from these sick people who r playing double standards in the name of sickularity...
Re: Minority support is going beyond the boundries these days!!!!
by sundar on Sep 26, 2008 12:37 PM Permalink
I URGE PEOPLE TO MAINTAIN SOME DECORUM AND NOT SPREAD HATE OUT HERE.I ALSO STERNLY WARN REDIFF MODERATOR TO REIN IN AND WORK B4 THE COMMENTS GET POSTED LIKE OTHER FORUMS.
OR ELSE ILL TAKE A PRINT OUT OF THESE PAGES AND FILE A PIL IN THE SUPREME COURT..ALL FAKE IDS WILL HAVE A TOUGH TIME THEN IF THE COURT DECIDES TO TRACK THE HATE MONGERS OF WHATEVER RELIGION..
REDIFF ALREADY HAD FOUGHT A CASE RELATED TO PORNOGRAOHY..SO NO LENIENCY WILL BE OBSERVED BY THE S.C. I WARN AND I MEAN IT..BECAUSE FILING A PIL IS NOT A TOUGH JOB..ALL I NEED IS AN ENVELOPE WITH PRINT OUTS..TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY..
America is funding Christian militants in India, like they had done to the Talibans. This is with the aim to create Christian nations in India by dismembering it. American President, got elect with the help of Christian fanatics who distributed funds from White House. Millions of dollars flow to Christian missionaries and Christian NGOs in India. The seriousness of this situation can be gauged from the fact that Christians run most of the 4,000 NGOs in India and most of them are involved in misinformation and conversion activities.
Christian fundamentalism with its funding from the United States, is orchestrated with enormous guile, secrecy, corporate skill, and is gradually bent on disintegrating India. America is worse than the Saudi Arabian Islamic fundamentalist. America propagates fundamentalism himself, and is building it into the American machinery. Missionary activities are tied in with dubious social work. Christian bigotry and colossal conversion efforts are destroying our nation.Already the north-east is set for disintegration.
Re: Millitant Missionaries
by sundar on Sep 26, 2008 12:38 PM Permalink
I URGE PEOPLE TO MAINTAIN SOME DECORUM AND NOT SPREAD HATE OUT HERE.I ALSO STERNLY WARN REDIFF MODERATOR TO REIN IN AND WORK B4 THE COMMENTS GET POSTED LIKE OTHER FORUMS.
OR ELSE ILL TAKE A PRINT OUT OF THESE PAGES AND FILE A PIL IN THE SUPREME COURT..ALL FAKE IDS WILL HAVE A TOUGH TIME THEN IF THE COURT DECIDES TO TRACK THE HATE MONGERS OF WHATEVER RELIGION..
REDIFF ALREADY HAD FOUGHT A CASE RELATED TO PORNOGRAOHY..SO NO LENIENCY WILL BE OBSERVED BY THE S.C. I WARN AND I MEAN IT..BECAUSE FILING A PIL IS NOT A TOUGH JOB..ALL I NEED IS AN ENVELOPE WITH PRINT OUTS..TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY..
The Following are the list of abuses from one such book – Satya Darshini – distributed by the missionaries of New Life. This book is in Kannada and the translation of the abusive passage is as follows.
· Urvashi – the daughter of Lord Vishnu – is a pro. Vashitha is the son of this pro. He in turn married his own Mother. Such a degraded person is the Guru of the Hindu God Rama. (page 48)
· When Krishna himself is wallowing in darkness of hell, how can he enlighten others? Since Krishna himself is a shady character, there is a need for us to liberate his misled followers. (page 50)
· It was Brahma himself who kidnapped Sita. Since Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva were themselves the victims of l**t, it is a sin to consider them as Gods. (page 39)
· When the Trinity of Hinduism (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva) are consumed by l**t and anger, how can they liberate others. Their projection as Gods is nothing but a joke. (page 39).
· When Vishnu asked Brahma to commit a sin, he immediately did so. How can such a “evil brahma” be a Creator of this Universe? How is it possible for both the sinner and the entity which provoked the sin to be gods? (page 39)
· God, please liberate the sinful people of India who are worshipping False Gods that believe in the pleasures of illicit ‘Vyabichari’ relationships. (Page 39).
Re: Satya Darshini
by sarfarosh on Sep 26, 2008 12:34 PM Permalink
Its easy to find such references about other religions and text. Let's not start a lousy debate hurting each others religion.
Re: Satya Darshini
by sundar on Sep 26, 2008 12:38 PM Permalink
I URGE PEOPLE TO MAINTAIN SOME DECORUM AND NOT SPREAD HATE OUT HERE.I ALSO STERNLY WARN REDIFF MODERATOR TO REIN IN AND WORK B4 THE COMMENTS GET POSTED LIKE OTHER FORUMS.
OR ELSE ILL TAKE A PRINT OUT OF THESE PAGES AND FILE A PIL IN THE SUPREME COURT..ALL FAKE IDS WILL HAVE A TOUGH TIME THEN IF THE COURT DECIDES TO TRACK THE HATE MONGERS OF WHATEVER RELIGION..
REDIFF ALREADY HAD FOUGHT A CASE RELATED TO PORNOGRAOHY..SO NO LENIENCY WILL BE OBSERVED BY THE S.C. I WARN AND I MEAN IT..BECAUSE FILING A PIL IS NOT A TOUGH JOB..ALL I NEED IS AN ENVELOPE WITH PRINT OUTS..TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY..
Re: Satya Darshini
by nagesh on Sep 26, 2008 12:50 PM Permalink
yes!! everybody can hurt a hindu's sentiment,,,but other religeon'ssentiment should not be hurt. great!!!none other than hindus have such stupid ideas,we have more trouble from our hindus more than others.Tel me how come jesus christ can protect al when he could not protect himself from being killed?
Religion is all about humanity. People look around , and see the social service Christian missionaries have done. Mother Teresa , was also a christian . There are innumerable institutions for People , where irrespective of religion , people who need care are cared for. Before you make a judgement , please visit a home for the needy near you , and volunteer for a day . You'll get your perspective right ...
Re: Humanity
by Dire Straits on Sep 26, 2008 12:44 PM Permalink
jackass, she wouldn't have had to take care of the kids on the streets if the RSS and the BJP had done it. why didn't they do it? no one was stopping them. she left her country and helped a lot of kids and leppers of our country and all u can do is call her a moron!! when was the last time u stopped by to take home a lepper or a kid on the street?? and moreover, who ever told u she converted anyone? have u been to the Missionaries of Charity to see it for urself??
Re: Re: Humanity
by Dire Straits on Sep 26, 2008 12:47 PM Permalink
Lay Catholics and non-Catholics constitute the Co-Workers of Mother Teresa, the Sick and Suffering Co-Workers, and the Lay Missionaries of Charity. Missionaries care for those who include refugees, ex-prostitutes, the mentally ill, sick children, abandoned children, lepers, AIDS victims, the aged, and convalescent. They have schools run by volunteers to educate street children, they run soup kitchens, as well as many other services as per the communities' needs. They have 19 homes in Kolkata which include homes for women, for orphaned children, and for the dying; an AIDS hospice, a school for street children, and a leper colony. These services are provided to people regardless of their religion or social caste. Why hasn't the BJP or the RSS or the Bajrang Dal done it yet? What's stopping them?
Re: Humanity
by sarfarosh on Sep 26, 2008 12:45 PM Permalink
There are numerous homes with destitute children and old people near my place and i have visited them for my birthday's and given donations. Does that mean that the Christians are all right. No, trying to justify based on the kindness factor is not right. I have also been to the north east where the the same so called kind missionaries close their eyes to the brutalities done to hindua done in the name of christ. Fortunately for chritians, the UPA government covers it up well. like the stripping of the tribal girl(hush hushed very quickly).
Don't expect the kindness and good will factor to go on working for ever when it is not the same done in the background.
Re: Re: Humanity
by Dire Straits on Sep 26, 2008 12:52 PM Permalink
but where's the good-will factor generated by the BJP?? I am sure it will also help them in the long rum. it's all i am asking?? no one is saying that certain things needs to be corrected, of course... but this is like a viscious cycle... u didnt't come to our help, so we will too not come to ur help.. an eye for an eye will only make everyone go blind. somewhere the hate needs to stop. i am no supporting conversions. yeah, a tough law needs to be in place. but don't all the bjp-ruled states have anti-conversions laws?
The Following are the list of abuses from one such book – Satya Darshini – distributed by the missionaries of New Life. This book is in Kannada and the translation of the abusive passage is as follows.
· Urvashi – the daughter of Lord Vishnu – is a pro. Vashitha is the son of this pro. He in turn married his own Mother. Such a degraded person is the Guru of the Hindu God Rama. (page 48)
· When Krishna himself is wallowing in darkness of hell, how can he enlighten others? Since Krishna himself is a shady character, there is a need for us to liberate his misled followers. (page 50)
· It was Brahma himself who kidnapped Sita. Since Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva were themselves the victims of l**t, it is a sin to consider them as Gods. (page 39)
· When the Trinity of Hinduism (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva) are consumed by l**t and anger, how can they liberate others. Their projection as Gods is nothing but a joke. (page 39).
· When Vishnu asked Brahma to commit a sin, he immediately did so. How can such a “evil brahma” be a Creator of this Universe? How is it possible for both the sinner and the entity which provoked the sin to be gods? (page 39)
· God, please liberate the sinful people of India who are worshipping False Gods that believe in the pleasures of illicit ‘Vyabichari’ relationships. (Page 39).
I URGE PEOPLE TO MAINTAIN SOME DECORUM AND NOT SPREAD HATE OUT HERE.I ALSO STERNLY WARN REDIFF MODERATOR TO REIN IN AND WORK B4 THE COMMENTS GET POSTED LIKE OTHER FORUMS.
OR ELSE ILL TAKE A PRINT OUT OF THESE PAGES AND FILE A PIL IN THE SUPREME COURT..ALL FAKE IDS WILL HAVE A TOUGH TIME THEN IF THE COURT DECIDES TO TRACK THE HATE MONGERS OF WHATEVER RELIGION..
REDIFF ALREADY HAD FOUGHT A CASE RELATED TO PORNOGRAOHY..SO NO LENIENCY WILL BE OBSERVED BY THE S.C. I WARN AND I MEAN IT..BECAUSE FILING A PIL IS NOT A TOUGH JOB..ALL I NEED IS AN ENVELOPE WITH PRINT OUTS..TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY..
