Re: To Rajesh Shastri.
by America on Sep 26, 2008 03:32 PM Permalink
y information media... does not disclose of christian militancy in north east.. y the militant are called NLFT instead of Christian militant demanding separate nation... 10,000 and more have been killed.. Hindus are not allowed to do Durga puja.. whether our media has raised any issue ??
Re: To Rajesh Shastri.
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 03:38 PM Permalink
Then you have not seen how the Christians and Muslims abuse other natives of our country on various dicussion boards (including this one).
Re: To Rajesh Shastri.
by aproudmuslim on Sep 26, 2008 03:46 PM Permalink
You are right JGN, too many hate mongers on this board. I wonder how so much hate has developed in peoples hearts, it used to not be like this 20-30 years ago, India is changing fast in this unfortunate state
Re: To Rajesh Shastri.
by Rajesh Shastri on Sep 26, 2008 03:54 PM Permalink
I have a feeling that all is needed a spark to ignite everything, such is the hatred.
Every religion has got good and bad people. Not all Hindus are good, and same can be said about Christians and Muslims.
I don't want to get into an argument, but would like to ask this question; those people who are criticizing all Christians, can you confidently say that you have no dear friend who is a Christian? If you meet someone and find out they are Christian and needs help, would you walk away from them?
Re: please understand
by Kris iyer on Sep 26, 2008 03:27 PM Permalink
Rajesh Shastri, Who is criticising ALL Christians? Isn't the argument against conversion of Hindus? Criticism is against Christians engaged in converting poorer Hindus to Christianity through a) promise of jobs, school seats b) rice, milk powder and money and c) brain-washing them with false information on Hinduism. Of course, we all have Christian friends and in some cases relations. That does not mean we can be blind to a national movement of conversion of Hindus. Do you know how much money Christian NGOs receive from abroad to help with this conversion business? Take a guess and check with the NGOs themselves. You will be amazed. Have you read reports of violent riots in Colgne in Germany, against a proposal to built a big mosque in that city?
Re: Re: please understand
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 03:40 PM Permalink
The Protest in Lahore against building of Church was indeed violent. It was later abandoned.
Re: please understand
by Rajesh Shastri on Sep 26, 2008 03:24 PM Permalink
i will protest in that case. my question was, would you stop your friendship with ALL christians just because a few of them are bad?
Re: please understand
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 03:32 PM Permalink
Mr.Rajesh Shastri, the religions were created for controlling the gullible masses. No religion has ever stopped people from committing crimes. If there are good people belonging to all religions, it has nothing to do with the religion as such. All religions have outlived their utility. Then why the obsession with conversion?
Re: Re: please understand
by aproudmuslim on Sep 26, 2008 03:36 PM Permalink
You are not a student of history, are you? Get over your ignorance, go read.
Re: please understand
by America on Sep 26, 2008 03:24 PM Permalink
We have friends, y cant u appoint ur own christian leader why are u listing to Pope and keep on converting people.. every human being is a pope.. a saint a sadhu... with his/her good deeds.. I am not against christanity.. I myself go to chuch... whether u have been to temple.. I am against conversion.. for earning few bucks from abroad.. people are forced to convert... u cant deny with the fact.. cos the problem of convesion is not only in India but abroad also... u cannot deny facts
For reconversion of all Christians give their pastor lot of money... money is the only reason that they got converted and motivated others to get convert.. Pastor John Dalvi.. Pastor Patrick Sigh.. David Panda... Narayan Dsouza wah what and IDEA sirji.......
Re: Jhakhas Idea??
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 03:34 PM Permalink
There was a report in The Indian Express a few days back that Evangalist (self-styled Bishop) from Kerala, Mr. Yohannan has amassed wealth to the tune of Rs. 1000 Crores (yes one thousand crores). Religion is big business.
Re: Jhakhas Idea??
by aproudmuslim on Sep 26, 2008 03:29 PM Permalink
Not necessarily. A couple of my friends have converted from hinduism to christianity simple because they were convinced. The preachers do a good job.
Re: Re: Jhakhas Idea??
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 03:35 PM Permalink
The preachers do a good job........you mean like the gay priests in US??? Last year they had paid USD 617 million for settlement of the claims!!!
Re: Re: Re: Jhakhas Idea??
by aproudmuslim on Sep 26, 2008 03:43 PM Permalink
Some preachers maybe gay. The fact is that they are trained preachers and know how to convince. I have seen 2 of my friends who began by just listening and then gradually agreeing and then believing.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Jhakhas Idea??
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 03:50 PM Permalink
Yes, that is their usual method. They go from door to door looking for preys. A few months back a couple belonging to the Jehova's Witness (one sect of Christianity) came to even our door steps (in an upper middle class locality). They did not come to our place again after I asked them some uncomfortable questions. They are mainly targetting the poor dalits and tribals and they
Forcible conversions of Hindus to Christianity are ok? Christian Evangelists abusing Indian Gods and Godesses in their publications and calling Indian Gods and Godesses 'false Gods' is ok?
But why is ANY protest from Hindus against such forced conversions is terrorism and immediately equated with Islamic terrorism?
But SIMI bombing different places all over India is acceptable to Lalus, Mulayams and our English media(owned by Evangelists)? What sort of a logic is this?
Re: THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN
by Kris iyer on Sep 26, 2008 03:30 PM Permalink
Hiten, Good questions. India's fraudulant politicians and their supporters in the Indian media will never answer.
Re: Re: THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN
by aproudmuslim on Sep 26, 2008 03:30 PM Permalink
How is the conversion forced? Can you explain to me please? Its a sincere question, dont give me some hate filled answer
Re: THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 03:41 PM Permalink
aproudmuslim, if you are really a Muslim, please ask your elders. They will tell you.
Re: THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN
by aproudmuslim on Sep 26, 2008 03:51 PM Permalink
Another hate filled message. Thanks JGN, but you didnt not answer my question
Re: Re: THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN
by aproudmuslim on Sep 26, 2008 03:51 PM Permalink
The last thing i will do is trust a politician. How is conversion forced?
Re: Re: Re: THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN
by Hiten Patel on Sep 26, 2008 03:54 PM Permalink
Unfortunately any article or links on topics of forced conversions are being deleted by the moderators so 'notsoproud' muslim you will have to google as mentioned by someone else....there are 100s of proof of forced conversions
Re: THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN
by aproudmuslim on Sep 26, 2008 04:02 PM Permalink
Hiten bhai, let me explain my question in simple laungage. how can conversion be forced? A person may say he is converted, but unless he believes from within he is not converted, right?
Re: THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN
by Hiten Patel on Sep 26, 2008 03:48 PM Permalink
One example of how the Chrisitian use their funds comes from the The Gospel for Asia mission statement for India: "Plant another 300 Baptist Churches, start 10 Chrisitian schools and establish 3 Bible colleges within the next 10 years." They claim to have already planted 156 Grace Baptist churches and converted 20,000 people.
Re: Re: THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN
by aproudmuslim on Sep 26, 2008 03:54 PM Permalink
But how is the conversion forced? Nothing wrong with opening a school or a church. Many temples and mosques were built too
The bias of the anti-Hindu electronic English media is evident in the hyper excited reporting of the church attack. The likes of Girish Karnad, U R Ananthamurthy and Mahesh Bhatt Teesta Shabana Azmi Barka Dutt Sardesai know which side of their bread is buttered. Their selective amnesia is amusing. Did these raise any voice in support of amaranth pilgrims protest or against durga pooa protest Nobody talks about the brutal killling of Swami Laxmanananda and his 4 associates, burning of the Radhabai chawl that killled 16 people, which provoked sharp reaction from the Hindu community, Godhra train carnage and Marad killling which was buried silently by so called seculars.
They never react on lakhs of Hindus being displaced from Kashmir.
Re: Selective amnesia
by Murali Krishnan on Sep 26, 2008 03:45 PM Permalink
Most TV channels in India getting much money for airing christian missionery programs.
Re: Minority panel on Karnataka disturbance
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 02:33 PM Permalink
Conversion of "paagans" is the birth right of all Christians!!! The Pope has asked them to harvest the "souls" of all paagans!!!
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffer
Re: Ten signs of a fanaic Christian
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 02:28 PM Permalink
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
Re: Ten signs of a fanaic Christian
by bhimsen on Sep 26, 2008 02:59 PM Permalink
Kya baat kahi. Ab isai log kya bolenge. lekin jo be ho in isai padriyon ki brainwashing tactics bahut sateek hoti hai. Aise jaal mein phanste hai ki bechara convert phansta hi chala jata hai. pata nahin kya khilate hain in converts ko.
Re: Ten signs of a fanaic Christian
by naif on Sep 26, 2008 03:19 PM Permalink
Mr. Bhimsen...so now u accept that these guys are converting by "brainwashing tactics". Till now ur standard version was "forced conversion". Please make up ur mind...I guess the likes of you just cant stand someone deserting ur faith to become a christian...grow up buddy, this is a free country. every citizen has a right to chose and propogate his religion. Just beacuse fantatics like you, we are not gonna give up this right...
Re: Ten signs of a fanaic Christian
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 03:30 PM Permalink
>>>Till now ur standard version was "forced conversion.....are we living in a banana republic for any one to convert anybody else by force? Yes such things also took place in our Country.....search for Goan inquistion......just one sentecne in the Bible, "thou shall not suffer a witch" resulted in burning alive hundreds of thousands of women across Europe. Haveyou heard of Spanish Inquistion? Europe progressed only after separation of State from the Churches. Till the Churches were in control of the affairs of the State, they had committed all sorts of atrocities on the Citizens (and they were Christians!!!!!)
