It is like the other side of the moon; everyone knows it is there but no one has seen it.Of course, the majority wishes to get ahead with life but their silence is taken as their acquiescence because they are an assertive community that otherwise dares to be openly different than in appearance and in many daily practices from the vast majority.It is an accepted fact that a spoilt brat constantly needs mollycoddling as it is used to being spoilt.Being a malcontent and maladjusted it refuses to integrate with others.It either sulks alone or tries to bully others to get what it wants.That is why they were more concerned with “innocents” being harassed in Jamianagar than the death of a exceptionally brave police officer who was trying to bring culprits to book for murdering innocents.Most terrorists today are well educated and some even come from affluent backgrounds, so the root cause theory of poverty being the driving force behind terrorism does not hold. Swami Vivekananda also said that a Hindu converted is not only a Hindu less but an enemy more.The current aggressive Hindu is like an antigen that an infected body produces in order to save itself from a disease.If there is no viral attack on the body no antigen or antibody will be produced.And yet, it has taken a long time in coming after hundreds of riots, the Partition of the country and the naked ethnic cleansing of Pandits from the Kashmir Valley as well.Continued..
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by kedem kemorah on Sep 26, 2008 07:53 PM Permalink
Many believe that fear is the key that a certain group wields blatantly which results in apologists springing up in its defense for self-preservation.The aggressive Hindu is merely replicating this time tested formula of success from its adversary and yet runs foul of general biased opinion as for centuries since it has endured every assault and privation stoically it dare not change the pattern now. After all, even in nature the roles of predator and the hunted are inexorably inviolable.The head of the Anglican Church, the Archbishop of Canterbury had blasted Tony Blair for attending Sunday mass in a Roman Catholic Church with his wife who is a Catholic.The Church today is fragmented into at least 600 denominations and counting. Let it keep busy converting each of its denominations within each other but just let them leave us alone.The Christians who were present at the World Parliament of Religions in Chicago in 1893 after hearing Swami Vivekananda had unanimously stated that the depth of Hinduism was so vast that the Hindu required no other religion.If a committed media and vote-bank seeking politicians stay out of it, we Indians will never want to fight with each other as we will have to live side by side and grow with each other and not at the cost of each other. But will they leave us alone?
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by kedem kemorah on Sep 26, 2008 07:56 PM Permalink
This was in reply to TVR Shenoy's article appearing elsewhere today on Rediff which had no "Discussion Board".
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by Sunil Kumar on Aug 30, 2009 08:39 PM Permalink
Yes.... the majority is like white color and these so called minorities just paint whatever colors they want.... further the media is partial in this regard.
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by Jayan on Sep 29, 2008 02:15 PM Permalink
Popular South Indian actress Nagma has publicly confirmed her conversion to Christianity.
The actress who ruled over the Tamil, Telugu and Hindi films from 1993 to 1997, revealed about her Christian faith at a prayer meeting for film artistes in Chennai. Nagma has reportedly explained that she embraced Christianity after her stint in politics that led to extreme depression in her life.
At the meeting, she was quoted as saying, Jesus Christ was the only super star in her life and that she wanted to preach and spread the Gospel to every town and city the Lord takes her to. The actress astonished the crowd with her testimony and her knowledge of the Bible.She said in her speech that her stint in politics led to depression, which went to the extent of attempting suicide. These instances apparently gave her a chance to read the Bible, which brought about change in her life.
All her problems, she said, started fading away one by one after she accepted Jesus Christ as her personal Savior.
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by Sunil Kumar on Aug 30, 2009 08:37 PM Permalink
So she demeans Izlam....great...I want to see Shah Rukh, Salman Khan, and others following her path.... then see the reaction...... I think these are fools who have no just want to go for poork.. not more
Re: There is no scientific evidence that Ram existed
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 04:45 PM Permalink
Yes, let us demolish all places of worships (of all religions) and construct Schools, Colleges, Hospitals, Research Centres, etc which are the real temples of modern civilization.
Some time back I had read a news report that there are more places of worships in Karnataka than Educational institutions. The condition in other States also may not be much different.
Re: Re: There is no scientific evidence that Ram existed
by chotelal on Sep 27, 2008 04:31 AM Permalink
Well JGN there are problems world wide coz of these religious structures and coz of religions and u r very right in saying v shud demolish all religious structures but man u r not counting numerous those who live because of this faith, these very temples, mosques, churches, gurudwaras give mental peace to many, internal strength, moral strength .. there are many who draw their strength from these same structures ...u shud count them also ... What u r talking abt might be a utopia but just imagine what lame life it wud be if every thing is going to be ideal ... life is all abt struggles, unpredictability, struggles .. take all these strifes also a part of this life and the universe arnd you man ... just chill ...
Re: Re: There is no scientific evidence that Ram existed
by Sunil Kumar on Aug 30, 2009 08:41 PM Permalink
But because there are more places of worship, the people here are more tolerant and cool than anywhere else in teh country
The Hindu god/gods can understand only "Sanskrit", the Christian god (or Holy Trinity) can understand only "Latin" and the Muslim god (Allah) can understand only "Arabic". I do not know any of these languages and need a middle-man to convey my prayers to the God.
Our former PM, the late Shri. P.V.Narasimharao was fluent in more than a dozen languages. The god does not know even that many languages!!!!
Re: I pity the god/gods
by Dire Straits on Sep 26, 2008 04:45 PM Permalink
god, what the hell is wrong with u, jgn?? i've clarified myself at least 5 times already. pls read the lines carefully this time - "The actual term “Hindu” first occurs as an Old Persian geographical term (derived from the river Sindhu), to identify the people who lived beyond the River Indus. However, the modern origin is derived from the Arabic texts - Al-Hind (the Hind) referring to 'the land of the people of modern day India' - which then got vernacularised as Hindu." and if even after that u have any issues with it, go and write a mail to wikipedia. i did not write that stuff. man, u r one pain in the ass, u know that?
Re: I pity the god/gods
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 04:50 PM Permalink
wikipedia is an open source which anyone can edit. The information is not totally correct. Hindu is not the vernacularized word, but the Persians cannot pronounce Sindhu, so they referred to those who were residing in the vicinity of River Sindhu as "Hindus". Some Arabic Dictionary gives the meaning of the word "Hindu" and "thief" also!!! Refer Stephen Knapps. Do you want me to believe that Hindu means "thief" ??
Re: I pity the god/gods
by Dire Straits on Sep 26, 2008 04:59 PM Permalink
man, wiki is the second most used information portal. so there r millions of ppl like me who use wiki. so why don't u go and edit it if u r so sure that the info is wrong. i don't want u to believe anything my brother. and neither do i want u to alter my belief. the problem here u s, as u pointed out, the arabic dictionary give the meaning of hindu as thief, the ppl who will read those dictionaries will always beleive that meaning only. so how r u gonna correct that? now, isn't it a good point that i had written that, otherwise i'd have never known that it is false. what say??
Re: Re: I pity the god/gods
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 05:07 PM Permalink
Dire Straits, I also get info from wiki quite often and know for sure that all informations are "not 100% correct". Some articles even specify that they are not "neutral", etc.
Re: I pity the god/gods
by aproudmuslim on Sep 26, 2008 04:45 PM Permalink
JGN, I almost feel sorry for you. Who told you that a muslim has pray in Arabic? The scriptures are in Arabic, but when i ask God for something, my prayer is in my mother tongue, English. In fact you dont even have to utter words. God knows whats in your heart.
Re: Re: I pity the god/gods
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 04:52 PM Permalink
The world over Aazan is given in Arabic.....the prayer of Hindus do not reach the god unless some Priest say "om swaha"........I do not know what the Christian priests tell.....
Re: I pity the god/gods
by aproudmuslim on Sep 26, 2008 04:58 PM Permalink
Well the call has to be given in some language, and Arabic is the tradition. You can pray without giving the Azan.
Re: I pity the god/gods
by kedem kemorah on Sep 26, 2008 07:00 PM Permalink
In what language is the Al Hamdu Surah, the Lords prayer of the Muslims to be uttered everyday like "Our father which art in Heaven.." of the Christians?
Re: I pity the god/gods
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 05:03 PM Permalink
aproudmuslim, then why the Aazan cannot given in the local language? Do you think Allah will not understand that?
Re: I pity the god/gods
by aproudmuslim on Sep 26, 2008 05:13 PM Permalink
JGN, the Azan is a call for people to come for prayer. Its not a prayer. Its just a tradition to give it in Arabic. Half knowledge is dangerous, you just prove that.
Re: I pity the god/gods
by America on Sep 26, 2008 04:50 PM Permalink
I think the religion was produced by humans... in order to make human feel that some else is there who is bigger and got all powers.. so they keep on creating and manipulating different story about god... that's y every country has different god... and politics have used gods to serve their purpose i.e. ultimately to rule over humans...
Re: Re: I pity the god/gods
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 04:53 PM Permalink
Put search words "animal worship" in any internet search engine and read the article to know how the system of wroship originated.
Re: Re: Re: I pity the god/gods
by Dire Straits on Sep 26, 2008 05:01 PM Permalink
now u c, u so easily say google "animal worship" and read the article, how do u know that the link that comes first will give the correct info?? rather, i'd be right if u mentioned which link by name.
Christians and Muslims are two big religions and they are getting overseas funds. The real minority is Hindus since the world is globalised and everythings things are internationalised.
Re: Hindus are minority
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 04:34 PM Permalink
Yes, the Evangalist churches export their intolerent version of religion with American funds and Saudi export their intolerant version of Wahabi Islam with petro-dollar!!!!!
According to these two religions, the "paagans" or "kafirs" have no right to live on planet earth. They should either be converted or eliminated at any cost.
Re: Hindus are minority
by aproudmuslim on Sep 26, 2008 04:48 PM Permalink
JGN, my understanding of Islam is all living beings, human and others have a right to live on earth. Where do you get your knowledge from? Stop reading the likes of Arun Shourie.
Re: Hindus are minority
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 04:56 PM Permalink
This is what your glorious Quran says:
9:29, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Re: Hindus are minority
by aproudmuslim on Sep 26, 2008 05:10 PM Permalink
JGN, Dont quote a verse in isolation. This is from the Sura Taubah where there was a treaty between prophet Mohammed and the Mushriks which was unilaterally broken by the Mushriks. That is when God sent this verse commanding prophet Mohammed to fight them and subdue them. Read the entire chapter. I have seen this too many times, a verse is picked in isolation and quoted as if God has commanded muslims to just go after non-muslims and kill them. Please always look up the context. Look at verse 6 of the same chapter 6. And if anyone of the Mushrikûn (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh) seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allâh (the Qur'ân), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not.
Re: Hindus are minority
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 05:16 PM Permalink
My dear aproudmuslim, you will feel offended if I write anything more. So let us not discuss about The Quran.
The belief in some god is like a "crutch" for the believers. A person who can walk wihout crutches have no used of them.
Re: Hindus are minority
by aproudmuslim on Sep 26, 2008 05:27 PM Permalink
Fair enough... I am not authority on The Quran either. I just happened to know that verse you quoted
Ancient spiritual belief further had it that a person who suffered misfortune or overly suffered from the human instinctual passions of fear and aggression was 'possessed' by bad or evil spirits. Relief was sought by offering sacrifice or avowing servitude to the mythical good spirits or Gods in return for favours, forgiveness, redemption and salvation, if not now then in an imaginary life-after-death.
Each tribe has, over millennia, formalized its own particular religion based on these ancient words, traditions, fears, superstitions and eccentric fairy tales.
Shamans, priests and God-men soon laid claim to be the earthly representatives of these mythical 'other- worldly spirits and Gods and, as such, their words and deeds were taken to be sacred and inviolate.
Thus the shamans, priests and God-men came to wield enormous power and influence, for to dare to question them was to provoke the evil spirits, incur the wrath of the Gods and ultimately deny oneself the chance of salvation in an imagined future life-after-death.
Search for "The Skeptics Annotated Bible" for category-wise verses like absurdities, contradictions, hatred, good-stuff, etc from The Bible (both Old Testament and New Testament), The Quran and The Book of Mormon. Pl read them and understand for yourself
Mosquitoes spread malaria and elephantiasis. They have no other use, even as a bio-diversity, except spreading these diseases. The why did god create them?
Re: A question to all ''defenders'' of God
by Dire Straits on Sep 26, 2008 04:25 PM Permalink
why the hell did god create u, man?? its fun being an atheist, but what point r u trying to make by bringing mosquitoes into it?
Re: A question to all ''defenders'' of God
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 04:27 PM Permalink
Let us assume that every thing was created by some god like the religionists. Still I could not understand why he created the mosquitoes.
Re: A question to all ''defenders'' of God
by aproudmuslim on Sep 26, 2008 04:31 PM Permalink
JGN, there are a lot of facts that we cannot explain or understand. You dont have draw illogical inferences simply because you cannot understand something.
Re: A question to all ''defenders'' of God
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 04:36 PM Permalink
Can you pl make me understand? Btw I do not dream of getting an entry into the Paradise stocked with abundant supply of "wine, women, water, fruits, etc". We get all those things on planet earth itself. Still there is lot of fun in the Islamic Paradise. Pl search for X-Rated Paradise of Islam for more details.
Re: A question to all ''defenders'' of God
by Dire Straits on Sep 26, 2008 05:37 PM Permalink
yeah, even i'd like to think that one should not wear his relegion on his sleves. u r what u r inside you house, but once outside u r an indian and that's that. but the fact it there's nothing wrong with relegions as such, its that the people who follow them r to blame. somewhere along the line religion and life got intertwined. i believe that "life" as such is more important than religion. religion is after all a way of life. as Einstein said - All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree. All these aspirations are directed toward ennobling man's life, lifting it from the sphere of mere physical existence and leading the individual towards freedom.
Re: Re: A question to all ''defenders'' of God
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 05:00 PM Permalink
>>god made mosquitoes to keep the population of the world in check....still the Govts in many countries (including India) are spending millions of dollars for family planning!!!! China has stringent population control rules and more than 1 child is not allowed at all. Then are you telling that "god" is a failure???
Re: A question to all ''defenders'' of God
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 05:26 PM Permalink
I have no quarrels with the believers. All that we ask is that confine your beliefs to the four walls of your home and respective places of worships. Pl do not bring god/gods on to the streets and create problems for the society at large.
If every one believed that there is no god, there would not have been any Rath yatra, demolition of some disputed structure and its aftermath, Orissa, Mangalore, etc (countless atrocities in the world in the name of religions and gods since time im-imorial).
Re: A question to all ''defenders'' of God
by Dire Straits on Sep 26, 2008 05:48 PM Permalink
sure thing, bro... hope to meet up with u again... thanks for following mine ang jgn's discussion. and i'd like to appolgise to jgn for calling in a pain in the ass!! hee hee hee.
Re: A question to all ''defenders'' of God
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 05:56 PM Permalink
I also thank both of you. And we (atheists) get a lot of abuses. We are not affected by them as our only intention is to spread Rationalism. Persons like me would be happy if we can make at least one person see reason.
Re: A question to all ''defenders'' of God
by aproudmuslim on Sep 26, 2008 04:55 PM Permalink
JGN, I cannot make you understand because I dont understand why God created mosquites either, but i do not see that as a reason to do away with believing in the existence of God either. BTW I am looking forward to paradise with its wine and women.
Re: A question to all ''defenders'' of God
by Dire Straits on Sep 26, 2008 05:07 PM Permalink
i never said that god is a failure... let the monquitoes do their job and the goverments do their job. moreover, that answer was ment as a pun, and u r quoting it!! ur question was why god made mosquitoes and then u r jumping to indian govt. and chinese govt. what has family planning got to do with why god made monquitoes??!!
Re: A question to all ''defenders'' of God
by Dire Straits on Sep 26, 2008 04:49 PM Permalink
god made mosquitoes to keep the population of the world in check. after all, it kills three million people a year. just imagine what the population of the world would be without mosquitoes. so thank god for his wonderful creation. i mean, if he can create u, why not a mosquito.
Re: A question to all ''defenders'' of God
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 04:58 PM Permalink
hahah, it is the duty of the defenders of faith to prove me wrong. Are you anotehr chela of bluff-master Dr. Zakir Naik??
Re: A question to all ''defenders'' of God
by Dire Straits on Sep 26, 2008 05:20 PM Permalink
na, i just like the band Dire Straits. even i'd love to say that there's no god, cos after all 12-15% of world's population believe so. but i really can't, bro.
Re: A question to all ''defenders'' of God
by aproudmuslim on Sep 26, 2008 05:42 PM Permalink
This has been a good discussion, unlike most of the comments posted here which are just spitting venom. Thanks JGN and Dire Straits, i gotta go but hope to meet you again
Re: Re: A question to all ''defenders'' of God
by Dire Straits on Sep 26, 2008 04:52 PM Permalink
and with regards to the adam and eve thing man, u need to prove that god used satan's tail and not the rib as i pointed out. i can give u links from where i posted my aswers, but u need to give more concrete answers to ur challenge. just saying ur christian friend told u won't help. and until u can do that, i'd think that i've won!!
Re: A question to all ''defenders'' of God
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 05:12 PM Permalink
My Dire Straits, that is the abusrdity in trying to prove the existence of some god. You are in "dire straits" as your userID says!!!
Re: FIRST OF ALL....
by aproudmuslim on Sep 26, 2008 04:11 PM Permalink
Hiten bhai, there are plenty of proofs about the existence of Jesus. Just search on Google. In fact his existence has never been disputed by historians.
Re: FIRST OF ALL....
by America on Sep 26, 2008 04:13 PM Permalink
Just read the Comment of CELSUS on google... you will say the bible preaching is all false
Re: FIRST OF ALL....
by aproudmuslim on Sep 26, 2008 04:17 PM Permalink
There will always be comments. There are comments which refuse all laws of Physics too
Re: FIRST OF ALL....
by Dire Straits on Sep 26, 2008 04:22 PM Permalink
what the hell r u doing here, America? Haven't u got ur own problems there?? Stop poking ur nose where it doesn't belong.
Re: FIRST OF ALL....
by JGN on Sep 26, 2008 04:25 PM Permalink
Dire Straits, the name Hindu was not given by the Arabs. It originated from the name of River Sindhu and was used by Persians (Zorashtrians) for describing those who lived in the vicinity of River Sindhu.
Pl don't tell us that even the Indian sub-continent did not exist before the arrval of Islamic invaders and European colonizers.
Re: FIRST OF ALL....
by Dire Straits on Sep 26, 2008 03:59 PM Permalink
The ancient Babylonian Talmud, in Sanhedrin 43A, refers to Jesus and the fact that he was crucified on the eve of the Passover. First-century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus made references to Jesus. Although some critics say that other versions of Josephus' writings were altered to favor Christian claims, even this version, accepted as accurate by the most critical historians, proves that the person known as Jesus actually existed. Many first century Jewish coffins, or "ossuaries" are inscribed with the sign of the cross or the name of Jesus. In 1873, ossuaries were found near Bethany containing the inscribed names of Mary, Martha, and Lazarus, each with the sign of a cross. Mary, Martha, and Lazarus were followers of Jesus described in the Bible. Another was inscribed in Greek, "Jesus, the Redeemer." Still another was inscribed with "Jesus, the LORD (Jehovah)." The ossuary of Matthias (possibly the disciple who replaced Judas) was inscribed "Jesus is [Jehovah]." It would be inconceivable that so many ossuaries would attest to faith in Jesus Christ as God if his claims were mere stories. Many first and second-century historical documents refer to Christians, their belief in Jesus. Cornelius Tacitus wrote in AD112 that Nero, to suppress the rumor that he ordered the burning of Rome, and acknowledge that a man named Christus (Jesus) the founder of the name of Christians was put to death by Pontius Pilate, the procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius.
Re: Jesus could not save himself.
by cheraii on Sep 26, 2008 03:47 PM Permalink
You would not be in a position to say what you have stated if the power was not given to you by Your Creator who is none other than Jesus. It is permitted that you make such statements to test our faith.
