RE:Pala: a hybrid muslim
by The Brain on Mar 12, 2008 03:03 PM Permalink
This is only for your information:-
Shia Muslims believe that the Imam is sinless by nature, and that his authority is infallible as it comes directly from God. Therefore, Shia Muslims often venerate the Imams as saints and perform pilgrimages to their tombs and shrines in the hopes of divine intercession. Sunni Muslims counter that there is no basis in Islam for a hereditary privileged class of spiritual leaders, and certainly no basis for the veneration or intercession of saints. Sunni Muslims contend that leadership of the community is not a birthright, but a trust that is earned and which may be given or taken away by the people themselves.
RE:Pala: a hybrid muslim
by on Mar 12, 2008 03:06 PM Permalink
have to see pala's comments-He is not agreeing to most of ur comments(as can be noted below) from the definition of allah to other things.I know it happens,not ur fault, when u deal immaginary or virtual objects.
RE:Pala: a hybrid muslim
by Palani on Mar 12, 2008 03:13 PM Permalink
. "na tasya pratima asti"There is no image of Him."[Yajurveda 32:3]5 ii. "shudhama poapvidham""He is bodyless and pure." [Yajurveda 40:8]6iii. "Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste""They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements" (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). "They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti."[Yajurveda 40:9]7
RE:RE:Pala: a hybrid muslim
by on Mar 12, 2008 03:25 PM Permalink
All these are written by some person-What is his greatness?People only refer to great people right.For example
The following are the words of the greatest thinker Bertrand Russell -
Thus, over a billion people believe in Allah without truly knowing what Allah supposedly stands for or what he really demands of them. And the minority that do understand continue to be Moslems because they have redefined their morality and ethics to fit within the teachings of Islam, which are floridly lacking in morality. They therefore redefine what is good and evil in order to fit their lives into what is preached by Islam, instead of examining Islam to see if it fits within the good life. Backwards thinking, imposed by a backward religion.
RE:RE:RE:Pala: a hybrid muslim
by JGN on Mar 12, 2008 03:32 PM Permalink
Vivekananda told that by conversion to another religion, we not only lose one member but also create one enemy. He was absolutely right.
RE:Pala: a hybrid muslim
by on Mar 12, 2008 03:34 PM Permalink
@pala, Why u divert from real topic?One great thinker like russel said valid and u cant counter it, just asking what others said?Better ask what vivekananda said of Hinduism.U wont understand that-Not for all.
RE:Pala: a hybrid muslim
by JGN on Mar 12, 2008 03:25 PM Permalink
Palani, some absurd beliefs of hindus do not make them "gospel truths" And do you or your great Dr. Zakir Naik believe in those scriptures? You are trying to justify one falsehood with another!
RE:Pala: a hybrid muslim
by on Mar 12, 2008 03:24 PM Permalink
Palani, this proves that u have not been educated in modern system.From ur meaning on Immaginary.I dont communicated with a islamic cleric like u-Noone can give u knowlege of light.
RE:RE:Pala: a hybrid muslim
by Palani on Mar 12, 2008 03:26 PM Permalink
Quran is the supreme. we dont believe whatever contradicts the Quran. I hope this will be a suitble answer. you read the quran fully understand it and you can deside that there is no difference between shia and sunny. In fight is there in every religion, for money wealth land politics. That is the character of individual.
anyway no one has answered my question. instead they keep on question and telling me mad.
RE:Pala: a hybrid muslim
by JGN on Mar 12, 2008 03:30 PM Permalink
Palani wrote: >>>>>>anyway no one has answered my question...........what is your question? I will try to give you a proper answer. Pl repeat the same.
Sunnis think Shiias are not muslims, both of them think Amhediyas are not muslims, all the three think that "Khurds" are not muslims, all the four think that "the dawoodi bohras (Aga Khan sect) are not muslims!!!!!!!!! End less list of followers of "the most merciful Allah" fighting with earth other. Not to speak of fights with the "kafirs" !!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:The Great ''Ummah''
by Palani on Mar 12, 2008 03:37 PM Permalink
Quran is the supreme. we dont believe whatever contradicts the Quran. I hope this will be a suitble answer. you read the quran fully understand it and you can deside that there is no difference between shia and sunny. In fight is there in every religion, for money wealth land politics. That is the character of individual.
RE:The Great ''Ummah''
by JGN on Mar 12, 2008 03:40 PM Permalink
You have taken more than enough time to serach the web of the great Dr. Zakir Naik!!!!!!!!!!! Write something on your own!
RE:RE:palani-U seem to be a madrassa element
by JGN on Mar 12, 2008 02:46 PM Permalink
Sunnis think Shiias are not muslims, both of them think Amhediyas are not muslims, all the three think that "Khurds" are not muslims, all the four think that "the dawoodi bohras (Aga Khan sect) are not muslims!!!!!!!!! End less list of followers of "the most merciful Allah" fighting with earth other. Not to speak of fights with the "kafirs" !!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:palani-U seem to be a madrassa element
by on Mar 12, 2008 02:51 PM Permalink
palani is a loose screw fellow-He questions when he faces some question-he never answers correctly to the point.
RE:RE:RE:palani-U seem to be a madrassa element
by Palani on Mar 12, 2008 03:20 PM Permalink
Shia and sunny follow the same quran. shia and sunny the prayer system is same The perform Hajj together in same uniform dress.
do mean to say hindus and hindus anr not fighting? then what is Rajtakareh's principle? Christians and christians are not fighting?
First of all there is no need to be proud of the legacy of muslim rulers. They were just like the politicins of our time. Once having established, they were interested in amassing wealth, filling up their harems with beautiful women, building monuments, etc.
Had they cared for the muslims, there was no need for Sachar Commission and things like that. All Indians were not cowards to to be converted at the point of sword. As always, only the poorest of the poor and indenfensible get affected. Most of those who were converted to Islam were the poor and as such the conditin of muslims are also not different from that of the Dalits and lower castes from other religions.
The Ummah (muslim brother-hood) is a big joke. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the so-called keepers of Islamic faith is the partner of USA in waging war against Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. And Pakistan is also providing all assistance to the USA in anihilating the muslims in the West Asia.
One person called "Chemical Ali" was responsible for the death of 182000 Khurds. Is this what you call the "religion of peace" (or is it "eternal peace"?????)
RE:@ dot
by Palani on Mar 12, 2008 02:30 PM Permalink
Do you know hitler? how many lives fallen in krushtra ? how many lives burnt by hanuman in lanka?
RE:@ dot
by on Mar 12, 2008 02:36 PM Permalink
u have inproper answer.No relations to each other.Hitler is no Hindu,Kurukshetra is a win of truth(leave alone lives),Same for lanka.
Dont relate this to the murders of Islamic terrorists.
RE:@ dot
by JGN on Mar 12, 2008 02:41 PM Permalink
Palani, you are just talking non-sense. Mahabharata and Ramayana are stories. Don't try to justify historical facts with what has been written in a story.
Mohammed was a historical person who lived nearer to our time. The atrocities committed by him are well documented.
RE:@ dot
by JGN on Mar 12, 2008 02:51 PM Permalink
What was he fighting for? He was a tribal leader trying to establish his rule in the Arabian Peninsula. The Koran was his handi-work to hoodwink his followers (with all those rewards in Paradise, cruel punishments in hell, etc)!!!! Even a 5th standard student who reads the Koran can understand this truth. Why are you trying to bluff?
RE:RE:@ dot
by Palani on Mar 12, 2008 02:49 PM Permalink
now sense and nonsense to be desided by whom? does my message seems nonsense to you? Leave to the truth to deside. you may understand neither you nor i is going to accept each other. But the truth will prevail. from my point of view the following is sign CNN Report (March 11, 2008): · Bush appoints Pakistani native, Sada Cumber, U.S. envoy to Muslim nations · Rice: Cumber will help the United States explain itself to the Muslim world · Cumber, an American Muslim, says he is in unique position to promote dialogue · Bush: "... mission is to explain to the Islamic world that America is a friend..." US Secretary of States Condelesa Rice said Islam is an important part of the American life, %u201COur growing Muslim population is a great and welcom addition to our country,%u201D she said at a gathering of diplomates from conference member countries at The State Department.
RE:RE:RE:@ dot
by JGN on Mar 12, 2008 02:53 PM Permalink
What does that mean? Has Bush withdrawn his troops from the Arabian Peninsula? Has he stopped bombing of Afghanistan? The new US presidential candidate, Mr. Obama, has alredy declared his intention to carpet bomb Pakistan if they do not act the terrorists.
RE:@ dot
by Palani on Mar 12, 2008 02:35 PM Permalink
you are right. muslims helped to defeat muslims. Otherwise it is impossible to defeat muslims. But how can one blame the religion for an individuals act. Bus has 260 lies in his account for invading Iraq. The same chemical Ali was helped by america to kill the kurds. Why dont you talk the religiong here. Tony blair published a dossier which was utterly false. why dont you talkk the religion here. How many children were killed by some big business man. why dont you talk the religion here
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:@ dot
by Palani on Mar 12, 2008 03:04 PM Permalink
if you can tell the answer to my question, then you can understand that they are the reason for terrorism
RE:@ dot
by The Brain on Mar 12, 2008 02:53 PM Permalink
you keep asking serveral questions and when somebody ask you a single question you get offended.. why?
RE:RE:@ dot
by on Mar 12, 2008 02:37 PM Permalink
U take pride in winning battles.So for u sword is greater than pen.So Islam not for knowledgeble, as per u.And dont worry, are u aware of the Bombings on Afganistan,Iraq....maybe now Pak.
RE:RE:@ dot
by Palani on Mar 12, 2008 03:10 PM Permalink
Ibn Sina,980-1037C.E Al Razi865-925C.E AlKhwarizmi 780-855CE Ibn Al Haytham965-1040 Jabir Ibn Hayyam died in 803Al jahiz 776-868
An all power Allah (if there is any) want human-beings to help him (quoting from The Koran: Believers! if ye help God, God will help you, and will set your feet firm!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
RE:The most merciful Allah also needs help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Palani on Mar 12, 2008 02:06 PM Permalink
Allah guide you to be successful. He send adam and eve peace be upon them to earth. Allah sends Gabriel to teach adam how to make cultivation and lead a good life. and also reminds his duty to pray Him. if a man does not pray nothing will happen to Allah The almighty. it is loss for man. Allah guides the man not to incurr loss. Allah has given a bounty to man on this earth. just imagine if the snakes, lion. tiger have got wings? for the life of human being he has created many but all under man's control. Allah just remind a man's duty.
RE:The most merciful Allah also needs help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by The Brain on Mar 12, 2008 02:24 PM Permalink
you are the greatest example of poor kowledge... what about Plasma (isn;t it a 4th stage of nature)... apart from it Allah is uncreated, unique and imortal.. is solid, liquid and gas are immortal and unique?
RE:The most merciful Allah also needs help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by JGN on Mar 12, 2008 02:29 PM Permalink
Can there be anything "uncreated, unique and imortal" ????? Who created the creator? If the creator can create himself, planet earth and everything in the universe can create themselves. Just don't bluff!!!!!!
RE:The most merciful Allah also needs help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Palani on Mar 12, 2008 02:43 PM Permalink
"Na tasya pratima asti""There is no likeness of Him"
RE:The most merciful Allah also needs help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by on Mar 12, 2008 03:01 PM Permalink
U seem to be confused yourselves about allah-Both of u describe ur own....That's what the educated call Immaginary.Example-Ghost.
RE:RE:The most merciful Allah also needs help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Palani on Mar 12, 2008 02:44 PM Permalink
i. "na tasya pratima asti"There is no image of Him."[Yajurveda 32:3]5 ii. "shudhama poapvidham""He is bodyless and pure." [Yajurveda 40:8]6iii. "Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste""They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements" (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). "They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti."[Yajurveda 40:9]7
RE:The most merciful Allah also needs help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by The Brain on Mar 12, 2008 02:46 PM Permalink
he is not imaginary, he doesn;t have any image.
RE:The most merciful Allah also needs help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by JGN on Mar 12, 2008 02:12 PM Permalink
Then why the Allah has sent all the muslims to planet earth? He could have very well kept them in the "Paradise" (or wherever he is). Then planet earth would have been a better place to live!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:The most merciful Allah also needs help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Palani on Mar 12, 2008 02:20 PM Permalink
Allah has sent mankind to the earth. muslim is the word derived from Islam. there are two meaningf for Islam one is submission to God , other meaning is peace. one who obeys (submits) to God is muslim.
RE:@Palani........if u want something in print against islam...........to quote from....
by Palani on Mar 12, 2008 01:49 PM Permalink
Read and see how salman has described hindu gods. if you are truthful read and tell to others
RE:@Palani........if u want something in print against islam...........to quote from....
by JGN on Mar 12, 2008 01:58 PM Permalink
Palani, there is no hindu god or muslim god or christian god. There is no proof for the existence of any god!!!!!!! So let Salman Rushidie or anybody else write whatever they want about any god!!!!
The Brain, who was waging the "Battle of Badr" Was it Allah or Mohammed? Read the above verses. It is very clear that Mohammed was talking to his followers (It is not the worlds of a "most merciful Allah")!!!!!!!
RE:@ The Brain
by JGN on Mar 12, 2008 01:52 PM Permalink
The Brain, The Koran is the concoction of Mohammed to motivate his followers (with all those rewards in Paradise, cruel punishment in hell, etc). The poor fellow could think of wine, woman, water, fruits, etc even in the "Paradise"
There is no soul, no re-birth and no "last judgement" Every thing ends here. So enjoy life on planet earth to the extent possible without harming others for rewards in an imaginary life "here-after"
RE:@ The Brain
by The Brain on Mar 12, 2008 01:56 PM Permalink
This misconception is one of the most widely held misconceptions about Islaam today. And yet in the Qur'an, the Creator unambiguously states (translation), (17:33) Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand retaliation or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life, for he is helped (by the Law)
Based on this verse, it is Islamically unlawful to murder anyone who is innocent of certain crimes. It is well to remember at this point the distinction made above between Qur'an and Sunnah, and the Muslims: only the Qur'an and Sunnah are guaranteed to be in accordance with what the Creator desires, whereas the Muslims may possibly deviate. Hence, if any Muslim kills an innocent person, that Muslim has committed a grave sin, and certainly the action cannot be claimed to have been done "in the name of Islaam."
It should be clear, then, that "Muslim terrorist" is almost an oxymoron: by killing innocent people, a Muslim is committing an awesome sin, and Allaah is Justice personified. This phrase is offensive and demeaning of Islaam, and it should be avoided. It is hoped that as the general level of public awareness and understanding of Islaam increases, people will keep "terrorism" and "Islaam" separate from each other, not to be used in the same phrase.
RE:@ The Brain
by Palani on Mar 12, 2008 02:24 PM Permalink
Allah says, %u201C Oh ye believe! Seek help with patient perseverance and prayers: For God is with those who patiently persevere%u201D
%u201CBe sure we shall test you with something of fear and hunger, some loss in goods, lives and the fruits (of your toil), but give glad tiding to those who patiently persevere.%u201D Say when afflicted with calamity, %u201CTo God we belong and to Him is our return%u201D
RE:RE:@ The Brain
by Palani on Mar 12, 2008 02:25 PM Permalink
Allah says, %u201C Oh ye believe! Seek help with patient perseverance and prayers: For God is with those who patiently persevere%u201D
%u201CBe sure we shall test you with something of fear and hunger, some loss in goods, lives and the fruits (of your toil), but give glad tiding to those who patiently persevere.%u201D Say when afflicted with calamity, %u201CTo God we belong and to Him is our return%u201D
RE:@ The Brain
by JGN on Mar 12, 2008 01:54 PM Permalink
The Brin, you are evading the question. Who was waging the war? Was it Mohammed or Allah? Do you think an all power Allah (if there is any) want human-beings to help him (quoting from The Koran: Believers! if ye help God, God will help you, and will set your feet firm!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
RE:RE:@ The Brain
by The Brain on Mar 12, 2008 01:59 PM Permalink
Mohammed never fought a war till 13 years of his prophethood and was trown out and oppressed by the Qurash and in the process all the muslims migrated to Madina leaving behind there property and land... It was then after 13 years the above verses were revealed and the order was given to fight against the opressor..
RE:@ The Brain
by JGN on Mar 12, 2008 02:02 PM Permalink
The Brain, the same verse is used by the Mullahs (especially by the Shiias as per translator's note in The Koran I read) to justify terrorism the world over!!!!!!!!!!!! Why are you tryin to fool us all? And copying and pasting from the great Dr. Zakir Naik's web is of not much use.
