Why CPM object nuclear deal? - Nuclear energy is Hindu energy. - Politburo - Nuclear energy is against Muslims. - Politburo - India self sufficiency of energy will bring prosperity to Indians which is against Chinese order - For Indian communist China is their homeland and India is Chinese enemy land. - Communist wants to make India poorer and poorer so that they can finally bring their bloody revolution to make India another Cuba or Latino nation - Communist want to steal the Muslim vote bank from congress that is why they are working hard to alliance with Iran - Indians communist are a big success for the last four years by alliance with congress in destroying the future of the country.
Let us wait and see what peoples mandate is for the coming five years
RE:Chinese Dog and Hindu nuclear power
by gowarishankar sharma on Jun 26, 2008 07:04 AM
IT IS OUR FAULT.WE ELECT THESE BLOODY COMMIES WHEREAS WHOLE WORLD HAS THROWN THEM OUT.ONE MUST COMPARE WEST BENGALS PROGRESS COMPARED TO REST OF INDIA.IT IS A MISERABLE STATISTICS. ALL DINOSAURS IN CPI WHO SHUD HAVE DIED LONG AGO WHAT THEY MEAN IS: LISTEN DR.MANMOHAN SINGH IS SELLING OFF INDIA TO USA BUT WE R PROTECTING YOU HAHAHAH.PLEASE SEE NEXT ELECTIONS "NOT ONE CPI FELLOW GETS ELECTED"THIS WILL BE THE BIGGER VICTORY THAN THE NUCLEAR DEAL
RE:Chinese Dog and Hindu nuclear power
by mohan murugesan on Jun 26, 2008 07:18 AM
the cummies original support comes from the two states kerala and wbengal.in other states they have to rely on regional parties. so if we destroy them in other states by voting against them by their friendly regional party supporters,the cummies closed.hereby i requst the thinktank of regional parties like dmk,sp,td,jp to think on this line.dont let the cummies grow.see their pathetic governance of the great soil west bengal.see the pathetic conditions of the wb once the land produce great souls like shree ramakrishna,vivekanandah,aurobindo,tagore .arise awake the wb to free from the cummies to prosperity
I am very happy that cong is at last calling the bluff off.We cannot forgo national interests for the failed theories of these people. I wish I could congratulate Dr,Singh whom All the Indians really regard too much,and he really deserves it.
There will be no restriction for supply of energy in India if the people are ready to pay the correct and reasonable price for them.We have all resources to meet the full requirement of all the people of India.The people have to decide whether we want restricted supply at subsidised cost or unrestricted supply at reasonable cost.
RE:Electricity and Water and Oil.
by JB on Jun 26, 2008 08:20 AM
And where is the source of supply for India's ever growing demand ? Resources are limited to Earth's boundary...how long you can continue with that w/o finding alternative resources ?
RE:Electricity and Water and Oil.
by RK Express on Jun 26, 2008 08:05 AM
Entrust the energy generation, transmission and distribution to a good Indian player and see the difference. The inefficient, trouble giving electricity boards to the public, to be dumped in Arabian sea. Let's try... The govt will have to give nod only... Full Investments by Private Cos.. Why not we try, similar to the present telecom sector in India.
Just go ahead with the deal if congress intellectuals are all giving a green signal (Hope they will not surrender the country to anyone since they don't have any past receords). Just forget the opposition of communists, they are in the habit of opposing anything foreign, let it be WB/ADB Loans or many others.. It is like an old saying "Dog will not eat the grass and it will not allow the cow to eat it too"
RE:Congress will go ahead with Nuc deal
by Sameer on Jun 26, 2008 06:34 AM
The Indian parlament would cancel the deal. PM cannot behave like a dictator. He is answerable to the parliament. Unlike American Presidential system, PM can be removed anytime.
RE:Congress will go ahead with Nuc deal
by RK Express on Jun 26, 2008 07:54 AM
No voting is required in parliament to sign the deal as per existing rules. The only negative aspect is that the left front can withdraw support and face elections, which they are afraid off due to negative factors in their ruling states... sure, many of their present MPs/or new candidates, will go off-records...
Lessons to be learnt from Economic crisis in India.
India must analyse the cause for the present economic crisis and correct the wrong policies.
A. In my view the reason for the crisis are:-
1. India have opened the economy indiscriminately to foreign countries. 2. Taxes and duties of imported items have been drastically reduced which affected the Indian Industry badly. 3. Allowing of FIIs to Indian stock market indiscriminately and drastic tax reduction for FII investments have de stabilised the stock market. 4. Allowing importing of non essential items and dumping in Indian roads affected all the units of all Industrial Estates and small scale industries and deprived the earnings of crores of Indian working people. 5. Opening of Future and Option Trade to FII , made the price of essential commodities to unrealistic levels due to entry of illegal and black money to the market.
B. What India have to do:-
1. Change trade currency from USA Dollar to Euro. 2. Ban all Future and Option market in India at one stroke. 3. De-list all Indian papers from all foreign stock markets. They must not be allowed to dictate the trend of Indian stocks. 4. Increase the tax on FII investment. Entry tax ( at least 25 % ) as well as Capital Gain tax { short term ( 3 years) = 50 % and Long term 40 % } to be levied. 5. India does not need FII money any more as the Domestic Institution, Mutual Funds and Pension and Insurance companies can sustain the stock market and they will
RE:RE:Nuclear deal
by harry na on Jun 26, 2008 07:02 AM
unbelievable!!!
you seriously have no clue what open door policy has brought to India. look outside your window - do you see some skycrapers with lifts? cars with american, german and japenese logos? just your desktop/laptop is a result of open door policy. if it was not open door policy in 1991, you would have paid atleast 20 times more for the mobile phone that you carry in your pocket.
please dont make judgments based on some critics closed mindedness
RE:Nuclear deal
by Vaidyanatha samy on Jun 26, 2008 07:05 PM
Then you( the rich ) have to pay full cost for the oil used in India.The subsidy for the Petrol,Diesel ang Cooking gas must be given only for the poor families and not those use foreign cars.
RE:RE:RE:Nuclear deal
by Vaidyanatha samy on Jun 26, 2008 07:09 PM
Please read once agin that I am telling about "Allowing importing of non essential items and dumping in Indian roads affected all the units of all Industrial Estates and small scale industries and deprived the earnings of crores of Indian working people". The items include all plastic use and through items from China and luxuries items such as foreign cars and not for essential items such as mobile phones which are technologically superior from Indain make and sold at affordable for the common people.
RE:RE:Nuclear deal
by Vaidyanatha samy on Jun 26, 2008 07:15 PM
Please read my remarks once again.These remarks are meant for common people ( about 60 crore people ) who can not afford luxury items.The nuclear plant which we are talking can not not match even 1 % of our power requirement.Instead of nuclear we may start more Hydral and coal based power stations. For example the Hogenekal hydral plant have a potential of 12000 MW which can be implimented with out any foreign aid.
The problem in our country is that we dont have any natural resource that can be used to generate power... No Oil and No Nuclear Fuel... So this is a major hindrance and we will always be dependent on other countries for the import of these two things... Nothing can be done about this..
RE:Problem...
by Sameer on Jun 26, 2008 06:15 AM
sun, wind, ocean...think outside the box. Ope your mind. Read the latest issue of "The Economist" magazine available free online.
Wind is already as cheap as coal based plants. India has 4000 KM of shore where there is always wind.
Solar- another source which is just little more expensive than wind and coal but cheaper than nuclear energy.
RE:Problem...
by harpreet harpreet on Jun 26, 2008 06:18 AM
its a known fact that wind and solar energies cannot be used on a big scale. its a good additional source but a bad alternate source
RE:Problem...
by Sameer on Jun 26, 2008 06:26 AM
Harpreet,
you want to have a bait on that? Wind energy is already as cheap as coal based plant ( cheapest energy). Only thing it requires is interconnecting the grids. Solar is almost there. Its cost is falling everyday like computer prices are. You are showing your ignorance. Please read the Economist magazine.
RE:RE:Problem...
by harry na on Jun 26, 2008 06:45 AM
may be that will help you get out of your ignorance shoe and dont call other ignorant if you dont know urself.
Fuel type Power in TW[1] Energy/year in EJ Oil 5.6 180 Gas 3.5 110 Coal 3.8 120 Hydroelectric 0.9 30 Nuclear 0.9 30 Geothermal, wind, solar, wood 0.13 4 Total 15 471
RE:Problem...
by shiva on Jun 26, 2008 06:39 AM
Souvik,
Don't lose heart! God is ever fair, omnipotent & omniscient! We are his creation & having brought us to this world he will provide solutions. It is his responsibilty, but we have to do our part!
As of now, solar has the potential & God gives it with a vengeance to not only us but others, especially our poorer cousins! Everyday, we wake up to His call to take as much as we want. Estimates say, we can tap 600000 mws ie., 5 times our present requirements. Already billions of dollars are invested in producing solar cells, panels, nodules etc. Let us not look at others for solutions & blame them for not finding them! Instead of bartering away our freedom & looking at problems as zero sum options, that any solution will be a loss to us & success to others, we should make them sweet success for all. As Stephen Hawking was given few years of live and that too a cripled existence, he got into the act to unravel creation with no time to lose! Not only was he dependent on others for his basic needs, he was mentally & physically abused by care-givers. That made him work harder as time was running out faster! He even went up in space to experience zero gravity.
RE:RE:Problem...
by Vaidyanatha samy on Jun 26, 2008 07:26 PM
India has enough oil trapped in shale and coal deposits in Assam and Arunachal Pradesh to produce 140 million tonnes per year for 100 years.This is more than India's entire current consumption.Shale oil deposits are common the world over, but have not been mined because of uncertainties over the future price of oil. Oil India Ltd (OIL) has long explored for oil and gas in the north-east, and is the obvious candidate for setting up a commercial-scale plant to extract shale oil. Coal-mine rejects (containing more shale than coal) already lie piled up at mine-heads in Assam, providing ready-made material for a shale oil project. Assam coal is, technically, a sort of solid petroleum deposit (it is a marine sediment like oil, not a carbonised forest like conventional coal). This makes it especially suitable for conversion to oil. Coal can be converted to oil using the direct liquefaction technology of IFP of France, or the indirect liquefaction technology (coal into gas and then gas into oil) of companies like Sasol, Chevron and Shell. OIL already has a technological tie-up with IFP for direct liquefaction. India needs to make a start immediately, experimenting with different technologies. China already plans to invest over $15 billion in extracting oil from coal. India has not even started thinking about this.
RE:RE:Problem...
by Vaidyanatha samy on Jun 26, 2008 07:19 PM
We have lot of oil reserves in north eastern state.We also have not fully exploited our hydral potential such as Hoganekal(12000 MW ) and coal.Please read the article published in ECONOMIC TIMES one year back. India has enough shale oil to join OPEC? India has enough oil trapped in shale and coal deposits in Assam and Arunachal Pradesh to produce 140 million tonnes per year for 100 years, say former geologists of Oil India Ltd including ex-chairman and MD Chudamani Ratnam. This is more than India's entire current consumption, high enough to make India a member of OPEC. You might think this would be a major strategic thrust of our energy policy. Yet, there was no mention of shale oil at last week's meeting of the Inter-Ministerial Energy Coordination Committee, chaired by the prime minister. The meeting focused on acquiring oil, gas and coal reserves overseas. Does not domestic shale oil deserve higher priority? We need an immediate strategy to evaluate shale oil deposits in greater detail, evaluate the best technologies for extracting oil, and then set up a commercial scale plant. Given the huge potential benefits, the risks are worthwhile. If this works, we can throw open our huge deposits to international exploration, as has already been done for conventional oil and gas deposits. Shale oil deposits are common the world over, but have not been mined because of uncertainties over the future price of oil. Ratnam and his fellow-geologists estimated in 1990 that extra
RE:Problem...
by Proud Hindustani on Jun 26, 2008 06:26 AM
You are sadly my friend extremely un informed. WE have eough coal to last us generations and the brains fro clean coal technolgy. We have enough bio diesel plants jathropa to meet all our gas needs and to export. Solar is unlimites and so is wind.
WHAT we don't have is good leadership. OUR politicians are crooks of the first order. Illiterate fooolzs.
RE:Problem...
by harry na on Jun 26, 2008 06:43 AM
look at my reply below to shiva. i am not badly informed but sadly u are badly informed. look at the figures below or goto wikipedia and search for "World energy resources and consumption"
Who knows the details of this agreement.. has anyone bothered to read the contents of the deal before shouting on rediff boards...
here are the details and then tell me the reason why we should not sign the deal -
1) the life time of the deal is 40 yrs 2) 123 agreement is a civil nuclear deal therefore it will not stop India in making their own bomb using their own fuel. 3) In the deal there is a clause that says this agreement is in no way a hinderence to India's strategic programme 4) There is no binding for india that we cannot conduct a nuclear test - if we want we can do it. BUT - there is a 'right to return' that Americans hold. This right to return cannot be called and the agreement cannot be broken in following way (particularly) 4.a) the circumstances in which India conducts a nuclear test 4.b) This includes change security environment which could impact national security. 4.c) MOST IMPORTANT - the right to return cannot be invoked if Pakistan or China conducts a nuclear test and India responds to them. 4.d) Besides there there have been verbal assurances given by President Bush that has been included in the content of this agreement.
5) If US is incapable of supplying nuclear fuel then it will source it through his allies. 6) India is also free to source its nuclear fuel from alternate source, if for some reasons, US backs from the nuclear fuel.
GO PM SIGN THIS TREATY - The communist will continue to cry as they are sided with China... this is the right thing t
RE:ignorance is a bliss
by Sameer on Jun 26, 2008 06:21 AM
Under the agreement, US president will have to certify India does not have nuclear weapons every year. This puts us in the same category as Pakistan. There is a perpetuity clause which states that even if US breaks the agreement, the IAEA inspectors ( spies) will remain in the Indian nuclear centers. Then there are 'additional' protocols which no one even knows about.
Most importantly, do we even need or efford nuclear energy when it is three time more expensive?
Last, noone is against having good relations with US and even military relationship where our goals are same. (Pakistan has US by two round things between their legs and US-India partnership can nevert ake off till that continues.)
RE:RE:ignorance is a bliss
by harry na on Jun 26, 2008 06:40 AM
Sameer, mate that is not a good argument to not support nuclear deal. read my reply to shiva above.
RE:ignorance is a bliss
by shiva on Jun 26, 2008 06:21 AM
harry na na
Look at the deal devoid of politics: 1.Is nuclear energy necessary? At most it can give us 20000mw after ten years. We are dependent on US for hardware and Australia etc for uranium. Already uranium is following oil in price hikes. PM Brown wants 1000 nuclear plants. Are we sure we can get fuel and at what prices? Having spent billions, we will be left high & dry. 2. The downward spiral in oil in late 1980s till 2001 meant alternate energy was put in the back-burner. Now, the days of cheap oil are over and oil at $130 plus will make alternate energy the best alternative. US has been a culprit for profligacy, but they can be the saviour. Once they come in a big way, solutions will follow. Both Germany & Japan are the pioneers in alternate, clean energy now. Germany has made strides in solar while Japan is making waves with auto fuel efficiency. Already 1500mws solar plants are put up while Japan will unweil still more fuel efficient cars by 2010. Hybrid, plug-in, hydrogen fuel-cell, bio-fuel are taking hold. 3. We can tie up especially in solar energy. That is 100% non-controversial and has the potential to give us all the energy forever. One estimate is 600000mws, many times our needs!
Nothing is impossible forever. Stephen Hawking got cracking when he was given few years to live. Not only was he dependent on others for basic needs, he was abused by his wife! He has the most briliiant scientic mind! We are much better off so why this deal?
RE:RE:ignorance is a bliss
by harry na on Jun 26, 2008 06:36 AM
mate - i got nothing against your vision - infact in the ideal world its a good vision.
1) the wind and solar power that people have been mentioning are known to be good additional source but bad alternate source.
here are facts to confirm it - Fuel type Power in TW[1] Energy/year in EJ Oil 5.6 180
Gas 3.5 110
Coal 3.8 120
Nuclear 0.9 30
Geothermal, wind, solar, wood 0.13 4
2) Honda's hybrid cars are a good example - but they are already facing a problem - i.r production of hydrogen is very expensive and second is to have hydrogen fuel pumps (even more costlier than that) 3)Point 1 satisfies your point 3 as well.
Hence nuclear energy is a very good source. The reserves in Australia can be tremendous supply. Bcoz india does not have a policy for nuclear energy to be used in civil sector, all the austrlian nuclear fuel is going to china. Who can spy on china and ensure they are using the reserves only for good reasons? Had that come to india, it would have been so good for economy.
also the oil prices are not going up bcoz of depreciation in the reserves as said by us oil companies. there is a hidden 11-15% margin that companies like shell have which is causing increasing prices worldwide.
RE:ignorance is a bliss
by shiva on Jun 26, 2008 07:04 AM
harry na
Your data is present scenario.Oil at $20 acted as a wet cloth on research in alternate energy. Now, the world realises the days of cheap oil are truly over. Oil is more expensive to extract and fossil fuel is an environmental disaster. We have to be weaned away soon. We just have no alternative.
We are 80% dependent on oil and luckily we can get it at a price so far. Uranium is mostly controlled by Australia. It is another disaster and we will be walking up the ladder with eyes wide open. Uranium has doubled in price this year. Where is the guarantee we will get the supplies at all and at what price?
The real problem for us will be adhering to the deal with our political scenario. Any delay will mean billions of dollars at stake. On top of it, while we keep our neck above oil, we will sink more into debilitating nuclear tentacles. Ten years will see a sea-change in the energy scenario. A doubling of fuel efficiency in US will make US no more an oil importer! Hydrogen fuel cell cars are waiting for break-through in infrastructure and reality of oil at $130 plus will make that possible.
The biggest inertia of cheap oil is past us. Let us not depend on others for our basic existence & barter away our our future & dignity forever. We should just insist on being treated equally with China. Are we not a bigger demo crazy than all others out together? That counts for something!
RE:ignorance is a bliss
by Sameer on Jun 26, 2008 06:44 AM
Excerpts from a research paper published in May 2008 -- The U.S. experience with 1970s and 1980s nuclear construction was uniquely dismal—as Forbes put it,17 “the largest managerial disaster in U.S. business history, involving $100 billion in wasted investments and cost overruns, exceeded in magnitude only by the Vietnam War and the then Savings and Loan crisis.” That economic failure is the main reason why no U.S. nuclear plant ordered after 1973 was completed, and all orders placed since 1978 and 48% of all 253 U.S. orders ever placed were cancelled. Moreover, no new orders have yet been placed: recent license applications are placeholders in the queue for subsidies, which are largest for early applicants, but are not orders and are not yet financed. ------
RE:ignorance is a bliss
by harry na on Jun 26, 2008 06:48 AM
Well then India should also not buy military equipment including the new navy vessel from Russia costing us heaps. in the present situation, this is the best thing to do
RE:ignorance is a bliss
by harry na on Jun 26, 2008 06:56 AM
Sameer you came very well with facts but now it has become a matter of "what if this" and "what if that". this is what everyone else is thinking as well.
mate don't get emotional. just try to have a different perspective.
RE:RE:ignorance is a bliss
by Sameer on Jun 26, 2008 06:59 AM
I urge you to explore and find more about cost of nuclear energy. I am sure you would not support nuclear energy as a solution to the India's needs. Even from your table, it it is clear that nuclear energy is way down the list. If it was so cheap and good, won't US would have solve the oil problem by now?
RE:RE:ignorance is a bliss
by Sameer on Jun 26, 2008 06:51 AM
How are those two related? Nuclear energy is three time more expensive, it will break the Indian economy. Our goods wiull be uncometitive, our industries would be at a disadvantage, there will be increased theft of power..who will pay for all that?
RE:ignorance is a bliss
by harry na on Jun 26, 2008 06:22 AM
simple mate - bcoz they are in opposition. its politics - opposition will make themselves look good
RE:RE:ignorance is a bliss
by harry na on Jun 26, 2008 06:39 AM
discussion would continue - try to look at it from another angle (just try)
PM is saying he would resign - causing an early election. Left parties would withdraw their support - causing an early election. This consequently is a chance for BJP led party to come in power. what else does opposition want?
RE:RE:RE:ignorance is a bliss
by Sameer on Jun 26, 2008 06:48 AM
Let him. he is the PM and it is his responsibilty to take the majority with him. None one knows what promises has he made to Bush but he has never taken the major political parties into confidence. It is entirely his fault.
First Experience in India. No Electricity no Water. I am thinking about this, because it was Friday morning and there is no electricity in my room, I can work on my computer because it has a battery good for about 1-2 hours…. hehehe, the lights need to come on. My friend told me Every day in India Electricity department shut the electricity completely for different areas of the city at pre-arranged times for officially 4 -5 Hours but unofficially 10 - 12 Hours. When there is no power then there is no water also. In India Load Shedding is part of life. Indian Government Explanation:Temporary reduction in electricity supply: a temporary reduction in a supply of electricity as a method of reducing the demand.
RE:First Experience in India. No Electricity no Water.
by harry na on Jun 26, 2008 05:05 AM
Mate, we got bigger problems like caste'ism, cricket and 'hot to throw a learned PM away' to deal with before we look into basic amenities.
RE:First Experience in India. No Electricity no Water.
by balu on Jun 26, 2008 05:20 AM
loga we get 8% percent of electricity from nuclear,even if its started now it will take another 10 yr to operate.
we can produce that 8% electricity with wind energy and solar.check dam in rivers fitted with generators.huge electicity can be saved by drip irrigating farm field.let govt fund 90% for drip irrigation as in the usa.
politicians get huge commision in this nuclear deal.looting ppls money
RE:First Experience in India. No Electricity no Water.
by Sameer on Jun 26, 2008 06:37 AM
Loga bhai, what makes you think that signing nuclear deal is going to bring electricity to you?
Do you know how many years does it cost to even build one nuclear plant? Do you know how much does it cost? DO you know that even American nuclear plants are supplied uranium from Russian decommissioned missiles? You think only oil prices have gone up? Uranium prices have gone up 10 times.
RE:First Experience in India. No Electricity no Water.
by farewriter on Jun 26, 2008 10:33 AM
Loga, I dont know for what purpose you have come to India, however I would suggest you not to be stereophonic in your approach by copying and pasting information. just take care of your needs and get along with your job you are here for.
