The term “human being” has no meaning inside of Islam. There is no such thing as humanity, only the duality of the believer and unbeliever. Look at the ethical statements found in the Hadith. A Muslim should not lie, cheat, kill or steal from other Muslims. But a Muslim may lie, deceive or kill an unbeliever if it advances Islam. There is no such thing as a universal statement of ethics in Islam. Muslims are to be treated one way and unbelievers another way. The closest Islam comes to a universal statement of ethics is that the entire world must submit to Islam. After Mohammed became a prophet, he never treated an unbeliever the same as a Muslim. Islam denies the truth of the Golden Rule.
By the way, this dualistic ethic is the basis for jihad. The ethical system sets up the unbeliever as less than human and therefore it is easy to kill, harm or deceive the unbeliever.
Now mind you, unbelievers have frequently failed at applying the Golden Rule, but we can be judged and condemned on its basis. We do fall short, but is our ideal.
RE:THIS IS ISLAMIC TERROR MR RAMAN..STOP FOOLING HINDUS
by varghese on Aug 08, 2008 01:56 PM Permalink
The dualism of Islam is more deceitful and offers two choices on how to treat the unbeliever. The unbeliever can be treated nicely, in the same way a farmer treats his cattle well. So Islam can be “nice”, but in no case is the unbeliever a “brother” or a friend. In fact, there are some 14 verses of the Koran that are emphatic—a Muslim is never a friend to the unbeliever. A Muslim may be “friendly,” but he is never an actual friend. And the degree to which a Muslim is actually a true friend is the degree to which he is not a Muslim, but a hypocrite.
As mentioned earlier, the other point of profound difference is logic. To reiterate, all of science is based upon the law of contradiction. If two things contradict each other, then at least one of them has to be false. But inside of Islamic logic, two contradictory statements can both be true. Islam uses dualistic logic and we use unitary scientific logic.
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by varghese on Aug 08, 2008 01:57 PM Permalink
If you are in a business deal with someone who is a liar and a cheat, there is no way to avoid getting cheated. No matter how nice you are to a con man, he will take advantage of you. There is no compromise with dualistic ethics. In short, Islamic politics, ethics and logic cannot be part of our civilization. Islam does not assimilate, it dominates. There is never any “getting along” with Islam. Its demands never cease and the demands must be met on Islam’s terms: submission.
The last reason for our aversion to the history of political Islam is our shame. Islam put over a million Europeans into slavery. Since Muslims can’t be enslaved, it was a white Christian who was the Turkish sultan’s sex slave. These are things that we do not want to face.
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by varghese on Aug 08, 2008 01:58 PM Permalink
WHAT THEN IS ISLAM.. But the Trilogy is clear about the doctrine. At least 75% of the Sira (life of Mohammed) is about jihad. About 67% of the Koran written in Mecca is about the unbelievers, or politics. Of the Koran of Medina, 51% is devoted to the unbelievers. About 20% of Bukhari’s Hadith is about jihad and politics. Religion is the smallest part of Islamic foundational texts.
Political Islam’s most famous duality is the division of the world into believers, dar al Islam, and unbelievers, dar al harb. The largest part of the Trilogy relates to treatment of the unbelievers, kafirs. Even Hell is political. There are 146 references to Hell in the Koran. Only 6% of those in Hell are there for moral failings—murder, theft, etc. The other 94% of the reasons for being in Hell are for the intellectual sin of disagreeing with Mohammed, a political crime. Hence, Islamic Hell is a political prison for those who speak against Islam.
Mohammed preached his religion for 13 years and garnered only 150 followers. But when he turned to politics and war, in 10 years time he became the first ruler of Arabia by averaging an event of violence every 7 weeks for 9 years. His success did not come as a religious leader, but as a political leader.
In short, political Islam defines how the unbelievers are to be dealt with and treated.
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by varghese on Aug 08, 2008 02:00 PM Permalink
The jihad of Umar (the second caliph, a pope-king) exploded into the world of the unbelievers. Jihad destroyed a Christian Middle East and a Christian North Africa. Soon it was the fate of the Persian Zoroastrian and the Hindu to become the victims of jihad.
The history of political Islam details the destruction of Christianity in the Middle East, Egypt, Turkey and North Africa. Half of Christianity was lost. Before Islam, North Africa was the southern part of Europe (part of the Roman Empire). Around 60 million Christians were slaughtered during the jihadic conquest.
Half of the glorious Hindu civilization was annihilated and 80 million Hindus killed.
The first Western Buddhists were the Greeks descended from Alexander the Great’s army in what is now Afghanistan. Jihad destroyed all Buddhism along the silk route. About 10 million Buddhists died. The conquest of Buddhism is the practical result of pacifism.
Zoroasterianism was eliminated from Persia.
The Jews became permanent dhimmis throughout Islam.
In Africa over 120 million Christians and animists have died over the last 1400 years of jihad.
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by varghese on Aug 08, 2008 02:01 PM Permalink
Koenard Elst in Negationism in India gives an estimate of eighty million Hindus killed in the total jihad against India. The country of India today is only half the size of ancient India, due to jihad. The mountains near India are called the Hindu Kush, meaning the “funeral pyre of the Hindus”.
What an idea! China wan an aggressor against our country in 1962 and since then is illegaly and coersively encroaching thousands of sq.k.ms. of our territory. It has made military collaboration with our greatest enemy Pakistan and even has helped it to make atom bombs.
The Chinese befooled Nehru to believe that they are our friends. Naive Nehru went on rhyming "Hindi- Chini Bhai Bhai" gleefully only to face sudden Chinese aggression and personal heart attack.
How ridiculous! This "expert" whom nobody knows in India and who seems to have done nothing to prevent the repeated serial bombings of Indian cities by Islamic terrorists, is preaching lessons on terrorism to China!
Is not it akin to the deer preaching the tiget on how to hunt?
Come to sense, Indian Intellectuals. Love your country. Act for your motherland.
CHINA IS BIG FAST GROWING COUNTRY,,,,,,,,,, HE ALWAYS PROOOF HE IS A ABILITY DO BCUM 2 DEVELOPED COUNTRY,,,,,,,OLYMPICS SUCCESS GIVE HIM 1 MORE STAR IN HIS FRAME,,,ALL CHINESS WORK FOR HIS COUNTRY BY HEART,,,,,,,,,,,,BT THIS NT POSSIBLE IN INDIA,,,,,,,,INDIA NVR HOST THE OLYMPICS LIKE CHINA,,,,,,,,BECAUSE INDIANS DNT HAVE GUTS LIKE CHINAEES,,,,,,,,,
india can host olympics and organize it better than chinese. indians have guts(ur word) can do it better. our youth and youth leaders are highly talented and gifted to do so. but one thing the whole nation should work in one mind. all the political parties should forget politics, all the business magnets join hand togther and then we can make the miracle
RE:This man Raman can do only good in writing articles nothing else!
by ravi kumar on Aug 08, 2008 01:28 PM Permalink
idiot murli Raman is retired R&AW official and he was one of the best cadets in KAO's armour(he was the head of R&AW) in 1970's era when India has won major war in Bangladesh by their Intelligence ability. Idiots like doesn't know anything and simply blabber. Read book Kao boys you will come to know the experience of Raman.
RE:This man Raman can do only good in writing articles nothing else!
by sanjeev gupta on Aug 08, 2008 01:32 PM Permalink
There are two type of people required, one the planner & others who actually do it. Both the persons are important for the country. I think Raman is right in his approach.
RE:This man Raman can do only good in writing articles nothing else!
by Ravikant Bhat on Aug 08, 2008 01:24 PM Permalink
Well he did not sprang all of a sudden, he has been there, in the fields, and without pee in his pants. He was with RAW and has handled various tough assignments in India and abroad very succesfully during his tenure. ATS fights with guns but mind you, without intelligence war against terrorism is hopeless and this is where such experts like B Raman come into the picture... so get a life dude..!
I am mindless, or even if have it than it is narrow, because I am an Indian I am divided on religion, region, cast , and lot of other factors, because I am an Indian. I am corrupted, even i can sell my country, because I am an Indian. I will not do any thing useful for development, and if any body will do then i will oppose it, because I am an Indian. If militants will kill us, then there is no problem, we are the biggest population, 100 200 will die then what? because I am an Indian. I will respect and make chief guest His Execilency Afjal Guru, because I am an Indian. I am fool, any body can do any thing in my country, because I am an Indian. One day when i will become politician and will take bribe in parliament, that will be my great day, because I am an Indian. We dont have anything in our life other than non sense,because I am an Indian. I will always impose my failures on others, because I am an Indian. still, I proud to be an INDIAN
AUG-20, NATIONAL STRIKE against Nuclear Deal, Poverty and Price Rise. Support all the Non-congies to drop MMS and the anti-National deal. Mayavati (UP), UNPA (HARIYANA, AP), DevaGowda (Karnataka), Jayalalitha (TN) and other small and ruling parties in Bihar, Orissa, Jharkhand, Assam are supporting the NATIONAL STRIKE along with CPM (Kerala, Bengal & Tripura). CPM welcomes all parties for the strike including BHAJPA.
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by Olive on Aug 08, 2008 01:17 PM Permalink
Devegowda is a piece of shit.
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by muppala srikar on Aug 09, 2008 11:05 AM Permalink
Not a piece ! The whole of it !
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by sanjay choudhry on Aug 08, 2008 01:36 PM Permalink
Strikes and bandhs are only two things that the communists every invented. Of course, there was genocide of class enemies too.
Has West Bengal become rich after 30 years of Commie rule?
Suppose, Olympics decided to game in india, what will happen. 1) Dharna on olympic by mayavti 2) welcome to olympic by congress. 3) Bom blast near game stedium 4) Security lapse. 5) Mayavati says` Olympic hiding future of UP people. 6) Experts '' This is not in favour of India ha.. ha.. 7) Law " we shall need a strong low on Olympic 8) "we can;n do anything but we wants win Gold" public says 9)Why not Saniya mirza in gamemsz came from hydrabsd.
10) We know only poor polytical...Hey Ram...........
