RE:islam is anti secularism by sonu on Sep 10, 2007 06:20 PM hey What ISLAM preaches The God who is really a God Who is Parmatma who has no Image No Form it is given in Ved Also that is true form HIndus have distorted the meaning of God u people worship Stones and trees Worship Unseen and Follow his Way that is Truth and Islam is Final which clearify all religion whether it is any religion in world Truth is Only Islam rest all are creation of Human Mind Islam is Beyond Human Brain
RE:Islam Is truth Everybody should Understand it Logically and accept otherwise he will be unsuccessful here and hereafter
by Mrinal Kamboj on Sep 10, 2007 06:31 PM Permalink
Few Suggestion :
1. Improve your english . 2. Introduce grammar to make things legible and understandable . 3. Get your thoughts coherent - your scrbble deceives the title .
and finally get off the lofty self appointed task to compare religions and airing your dumb personal views publicly.
RE:Islam Is truth Everybody should Understand it Logically and accept otherwise he will be unsuccessful here and hereafter
by TrueWorrior on Sep 10, 2007 06:47 PM Permalink
He is not here to teach you grammer and english. He is just expressing his views as you all do. if you dont like just get away. if you like it listern and try to find what is good for you and mankind. Dont potray bad image of islam
RE:Islam Is truth Everybody should Understand it Logically and accept otherwise he will be unsuccessful here and hereafter
by deepak on Sep 10, 2007 08:32 PM Permalink
Islam according to what we see now is fascism. One of the most tolerant nation on earth Netherlands has a law suit pending to have it banned.
RE:Islam Is truth Everybody should Understand it Logically and accept otherwise he will be unsuccessful here and hereafter
by ap on Sep 10, 2007 06:32 PM Permalink
then why did muhammed loved the black stone so much, sonu becoz muhammed was a follower of shive.
RE:RE:Islam Is truth Everybody should Understand it Logically and accept otherwise he will be unsuccessful here and hereafter
by TrueWorrior on Sep 10, 2007 06:50 PM Permalink
The stone was not black for your info. its the cover over it is black.. our religion do not permit us to bow infront of cow, dog, monkey, animal, stones, water, ling (lol) etc...... first learn wht is god.. god is the creater of the world do you think any of your stones can do the same??
RE:Islam Is truth Everybody should Understand it Logically and accept otherwise he will be unsuccessful here and hereafter
by neetu vasvi vinod on Sep 12, 2007 02:53 PM Permalink
Hindus go to temple- so that we get the environment to develop the feelings for god, the supreme soul. Like u cook food in kitchen (get the feel) and not in bedroom etc, U too go to school for studies and teacher uses the black board for teaching lessons, the school is the temple and the teacher is the preacher and the lessons the messages of god and exam is the GOD%u2019s idol, which prepares one to fear and study by hardwork, sincerity and when the person comes to appear before exam (GOD) he confesses his mistakes in form of writing the paper and the results are the fruits of his deeds. So dear friend, Hinduism is totally out of reach of masses to understand, instead of falling into arguments, understand this religion, it is very practical. They have given equal rights to the animals too, all the deities have an animal next to them, that means they are nature friendly too, And if u have seen a mouse as the transporter of GANESHA, which means that even if you are knowledgeable, you should not be proudy, instead should be so light weight i.e. humble that even mouse can be your carrier.
RE:RE:RE:Islam Is truth Everybody should Understand it Logically and accept otherwise he will be unsuccessful here and hereafter
by deepak on Sep 10, 2007 08:34 PM Permalink
Ture Warrior. You worship dead bodies in graves called mazars. That is worse than stones which are used as symbols. Btw God is not stupid and understands that stones are not being worshipped. However ur God who needs humans to do his fight doesnt understand this.
RE:Islam Is truth Everybody should Understand it Logically and accept otherwise he will be unsuccessful here and hereafter
by warrior on Sep 10, 2007 06:35 PM Permalink
Gopinath Pandeys message is hurting the sentiments of Muslims. May I ask rediff why it is not removed????
RE:Islam Is truth Everybody should Understand it Logically and accept otherwise he will be unsuccessful here and hereafter
by RKrishna on Sep 10, 2007 06:39 PM Permalink
But the simeltaneous incidents showing otherwise, islam has no brain at all. Islam literally has no contribution in terms progress/science. You guys are not useful except for issuing fatwas.
RE:Islam Is truth Everybody should Understand it Logically and accept otherwise he will be unsuccessful here and hereafter
by girish on Sep 10, 2007 06:51 PM Permalink
what is the proof that the arab deity allah created the universe and man ??
for this one must have proof.if u read religious incl puranas and also islamic koran it says that god created man from mud/dust/etc...
this is not truth,man is evolved by nature from 1 celled organisms and come from dna.
man is a carbon based life form,while if he was made from mud he wud be silicon based life form.
also,koran says that mountain etc r pegs to hold the earth steady etc which is proven false....
since koran etc books contain so many errors then how we can believe that arab deity created earth and man ???
pramatma is a indian general name.but allah is specific arab deity name who was worshipped in a mon stone even before muhamed broke the idol of ahhal in kaba.
it proves that all religion r man created and not accurate and r error prone.
same way if u believe all of koran u must believe that man get 72 houries [ virgins ] and unlimited wine in jannat and women dont get anything.
if u try to take only good part of koran and leave out the bad ones then it is not real islam,islam says koran must be followed 100%...bcoz islam on the one hand says there is no complusion in religion and on the other says that non muslims or rather people who seek truth r kafir ie non muslim and must be subjugated or killed.
so,all religious book incl koran have lot of contradiction and for today's age of truth and enlightenment r not much use.
RE:GPS
by Sethu Raman on Sep 10, 2007 06:27 PM Permalink
good idea, Kalyan but the identity cards should also be given to all citizens here, why muslims alone - if you see the killings in India presently, such a step may be needed.
RE:GPS
by Mrinal Kamboj on Sep 10, 2007 06:35 PM Permalink
That's a solution to go for worse . For god Sake - stop airing such divisive and inciting views . Muslims , Christans - they all part of secular india and few misled doesn't represent the whole community. Infighting is what precisely the enemies want - don't play to their tune .
RE:GPS
by farid patel on Sep 10, 2007 06:23 PM Permalink
This is a ridiculous idea....you are a demonizing a whole community, which has nothing to do with these activities and are suffering and has suffered as much as you do.
RE:GPS
by Amar S on Sep 10, 2007 06:38 PM Permalink
then why ur community dont group up n fight against terrorism ! u guys just say but dont do anything!
1.The national security advisor is down playing the incident, the source of terror is unique, the islamic fundamentalist, government has to recgnoise this and make special laws to prevent the community from taking up the terror.
2.These terrorist r motivated by jihadi idealouge, not for attraction or traction.it is the grateness of the majority community that peace has prevailed,imagine the same blast done by minority community in islamic country,all the non muslims might have been annhilated there.
3.The govt must stop playing the card of religion especially the communial congress, double standrads MR. narayanan.
4.There may be no of minorities killed in the act of terror but the motive was to hurt majority.
The communial congrees should stop playing the game of hunting with the hounds a running with the hare otherwise surprise in the offing.
RE:double standards MR.Narayanan
by Abhinav Bhatnagar on Sep 10, 2007 06:21 PM Permalink
Right said AP, NSA is making political points by not talking tough on terror.
The terrrist have a clear aims
1) to destabilise India
2) Bleed India by a low intensity warfare and impede growth.
3) Increase communal as well as political tensions.
NSA may feel otherwise, but the terrorist are getting a sense of Victory after each Blasts.
RE:RE:double standards MR.Narayanan
by rohan mantri on Sep 10, 2007 06:18 PM Permalink
I quite agree, the only thing that I would like to add to this is that the mere factor of terrorism is based on a jeleousy factor. With the rate with which India is prospering is quite alarming for the people who believe that terrorism would be the only way to curb such developing superpowers..!
RE:double standards MR.Narayanan
by ap on Sep 10, 2007 06:26 PM Permalink
i agree to ur jeleousy factor,muslims feel segregated, in fact they have been kept like that by the ruling establishment since freedom to exploit them politically, to day their skill's r not enough to make fortune from globalised world again exploited by jihadis.
RE:RE:akbar tried to develop secular islam but failed
by A Singh on Sep 10, 2007 06:09 PM Permalink
Akbar was as secular as Aurangzeb. Read the works of Vincent Smith.
RE:akbar tried to develop secular islam but failed
by Malaya on Sep 10, 2007 06:12 PM Permalink
ya vinct smith says that auranzeb was the worst ruler and ya Allha Singh come woiht some mullah type name. Dont use any kafir name, Mullah can sent u to hell for using a kafir name
RE:akbar tried to develop secular islam but failed
by muzaffar qureshi on Sep 10, 2007 06:12 PM Permalink
Dear girish i don't understand that if have so much faith that Islam is an untrue reigion and do not preache respect for others then why are you so worried because i beleive that the follower of any religion believes that finally only the truth will prevail and whatever is wrong and unhuman shall die its natutal death
RE:akbar tried to develop secular islam but failed
by chetan Dutta on Sep 10, 2007 06:21 PM Permalink
the subject of article says " terrorist have failed...." but politicians have not failed to do so. They look for every opportnity to divide. Sachar is another step in the direction.
RE:akbar tried to develop secular islam but failed
by farid patel on Sep 10, 2007 06:13 PM Permalink
Dear girish, islam teaches that there is no compulsion in religion, truth is clear from error. Islam invites people to use their rational and logic to come to conclusion that there is only one God. That God has revealed only one way of life that is to submit your will to God. Even after that people don't agree with islam, Quran clearly says that there is no compulsion in religion, truth is clear from error. Islam teaches not to abuse diety whom people worships besides God. This is clearly mentioned in Quran. If you look into history, people of all faith, christians, muslims, jews, hindus lived freely and peacefully under muslim empire. peace
RE:RE:akbar tried to develop secular islam but failed
by deepak on Sep 10, 2007 08:39 PM Permalink
Farid bhai..dont do al Taqqiyah bhaijan...Islam has no mercy on unbeliever kafirs..the choice is clear in Islam - Offer Islam - Offer dhimmitude & jizya - declare war...this is according to your scholars who spend all their lives in places like Qom, Al Azhar, Deoband etc. The compulsion verse is when Muslims were at an disadvantage..it doesnt apply when u r at an advantage..why do u think there are no churches or temples in Saudi Arabia..why do u think there are only 1% non Muslims in Pakistan?? think Farid sahab outside the box.
RE:akbar tried to develop secular islam but failed
by abhay jadhav on Sep 10, 2007 06:25 PM Permalink
Hello Farid, Sorry to Say... But plz chk Our Indian history. I don't want to put hetrated in any other mind. But history says all. Hindus were forced to except Muslim religion. And those who ignored were sentenced to death. Sorry but its truth and you can't ignore it. I hope that i have not hurt your sentiments or any other muslims. But thtz the Fact
RE:islam is anti secularism
by farid patel on Sep 10, 2007 06:10 PM Permalink
Dear girish, islam teaches that there is no compulsion in religion, truth is clear from error. Islam invites people to use their rational and logic to come to conclusion that there is only one God. That God has revealed only one way of life that is to submit your will to God. Even after that people don't agree with islam, Quran clearly says that there is no compulsion in religion, truth is clear from error. Islam teaches not to abuse diety whom people worships besides God. This is clearly mentioned in Quran. If you look into history, people of all faith, christians, muslims, jews, hindus lived freely and peacefully under muslim empire. peace
RE:islam is anti secularism
by Malaya on Sep 10, 2007 06:19 PM Permalink
I dont see minorites living peaceful life in pakistan and bangladesh. Dont go far behind even can u answer y kasmiri pundits r lving as refugee?
RE:islam is anti secularism
by sonu on Sep 10, 2007 06:20 PM Permalink
hey Girish What ISLAM preaches The God who is really a God Who is Parmatma who has no Image No Form it is given in Ved Also that is true form HIndus have distorted the meaning of God u people worship Stones and trees Worship Unseen and Follow his Way that is Truth and Islam is Final which clearify all religion whether it is any religion in world Truth is Only Islam rest all are creation of Human Mind Islam is Beyond Human Brain
RE:RE:islam is anti secularism
by rocky rohan on Sep 10, 2007 06:45 PM Permalink
ISLAM IS BEYOND HUMAN BRAIN AND ALSO BEYOND HUMAN CONSUMPTION I MEAN UNFIT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION
RE:islam is anti secularism
by Malaya on Sep 10, 2007 06:15 PM Permalink
Farid well , many good things were written in Quran , but question is this , do u and ur brothers follow it. Just in search of 72 hoors ur brothers keep on kiling hindus everywhere
RE:islam is anti secularism
by farid patel on Sep 10, 2007 06:20 PM Permalink
Hi malaya, Yes, i agree with you that many muslims donot follow what is written in the Quran and that is a problem, not only for the country but for the community itself. But i assure that there are blackships in every community, but you don't label the whole community for them. similarly most muslims are peaceful want peace and prosperity for our country. Its time that people come out and speak against the communal and criminal elements.
RE:RE:islam is anti secularism
by Lucky on Sep 10, 2007 06:29 PM Permalink
hi Farid, Nice Explaination ,here is a person with a guts to write. But Farid nobody in Muslim commounity has a leader to supress the terriorist act . We need a Gandhi type leader in Muslim commounity who should educate the people and tell them to give up arms.
RE:RE:islam is anti secularism
by deepak on Sep 10, 2007 08:41 PM Permalink
Farid bhai..thank God some people dont follow Quran in letter and spirit. We would hv a huge number of jihadies that way. The people who are jihadies follow purest form of Islam. bin Laden called Americans to convert to Islam or die..Zawariya does the same..that is pure Islam..
RE:RE:islam is anti secularism
by sgms on Sep 10, 2007 06:19 PM Permalink
TO GIRISH, RE:islam is anti secularism by sgms on Sep 10, 2007 06:16 PM AGRRED WITH YOUR LAST THREE LINES
RE:islam is anti secularism
by Aramac Memon on Sep 10, 2007 06:18 PM Permalink
WHAT OTHER RELIGION HAS SUCH A REDICULOUS BELEIF THAT - YOU CAN UNTHINKABLE PERFORM SEXUAL ACTS ON 72 BEAUTIFUL VIRGINS IF THEY KILL PEOPLE OF OTHER RELIGIONS
RE:RE:islam is anti secularism
by A Singh on Sep 10, 2007 06:03 PM Permalink
Boy! I wonder how much research has gone into your post. That is the problem with Hindus. They put so much brains into trivial matters. Anyway, keep it up.
RE:RE:RE:islam is anti secularism
by Malaya on Sep 10, 2007 06:08 PM Permalink
And the problem with Mullha is that there is no god other that Mullah and to get 72 hoors Mullahs have to kill hindus and in order to get hoors they land up in hell
RE:islam is anti secularism
by Lucky on Sep 10, 2007 06:24 PM Permalink
only Hindus can be Secular. and they respect the other relegions. Not only India but Nepal(once a Hindu Country) is also Secular country today.But you will not see a Muslim country into a Secular.
RE:OUR GREAT CONGRESS PARTY
by Aramac Memon on Sep 10, 2007 06:22 PM Permalink
Now you are asking to choose between the EVIL (JIHADIS) and a DEVIL (BJP/RSS).
RE:OUR GREAT CONGRESS PARTY
by mindgod on Sep 10, 2007 10:00 PM Permalink
I will give u a choice.
The day Jihadis a killed off, may be by crusders,
(VHP or any hindooo dont have the guts to do it, when he kills a jihadi-kids, seeing the blood his hands will shiver, or else hisotry would have been different)
VHP(devil) will also dissapear.
So side with Crusaders to remove jihadis. I mean side with USA to killer Muslims.
