RE:Truth is always bitter..
by Secular India on Oct 28, 2007 11:55 PM Permalink
Hindus have abolished caste system legally but read on. Its important to look within and not insult others
he rules of kufu%u2019 that the Compendium elaborates reflect the sharply stratified, hierarchical and patriarchal social context in which the Hanafi school of fiqh developed, and appear to negate the egalitarianism that is so strongly stressed in the Qur%u2019an. The Compendium lays down that a man and a woman may be said to be the kufu%u2019 of each other if they come from roughly similar class backgrounds, but it also introduces race and ethnicity as factors in deciding kufu%u2019. As numerous %u2018low%u2019 caste Muslims have argued, this is a means to legitimize caste and to preserve the hegemony of the ashraf castes%u2014the Sayyeds, Shaikhs, Pathans and Mughals%u2014all of whom claim foreign descent and, on that basis, assert a higher status than the masses of the ajlaf%u2014Muslims of indigenous Indian origin . As the authors of the Compendium see it, the Arabs are somehow innately superior to the rest of God%u2019s creation (despite the insistence of the Qur%u2019an and authoritative statements of the Prophet Muhammad to the contrary).
Thus, the Compendium rather clumsily lays down:
%u201CRegard shall be had in respect of descent among the Arabs, especially the Qur%u2019aish [the tribe to which the Prophet Muhammad belonged], and those non-Arab families who have preserved descent. People in the rest of the non-Arab Muslim world are mutually equal (sic.)%u2019.[7]
RE:Truth is always bitter..
by sameer on Oct 29, 2007 08:15 AM Permalink
I dont know where u got this information, Quran states that all muslims are equal in the eyes of Allah.An arab is not superior to non arab.its the basic tenent of ISlam.so dont come up with crap.plus if you say that hindus have changed caste system that means ur forefathers were following the wrong religion else ur follwoing the wrong one
RE:RE:Truth is always bitter..
by Secular India on Oct 29, 2007 09:10 AM Permalink
And by the way - Hinduism is not a religion and a way of life of people who live in India and that is why India is beacon of knowledge for the world. You can be a confirmed atheist and still be a good Hindu. All it needs is an open mind which questions things and evolves and progresses. ( No - Modi does not fit into the definition of Hindu )
RE:RE:RE:Truth is always bitter..
by masood akhtar on Oct 29, 2007 05:42 PM Permalink
hi guys,
weldone sameer, guys, what i have seen this from a very long time, that there only a very gew hindu brother who talk sensibly on this, unlike scores of guys who just scribble wat comes to their mind, like the idelogies of RSS and VHP. I only urge that my hindu brethren go and do fact finding about the truth, till date no one knows the origin of hinduism. the best thing would be to setup a dialogue between praveen togadia and zakir naik and let the whole of india watch it. Truth will come out
RE:RE:Truth is always bitter..
by ragadsingh on Oct 31, 2007 04:46 PM Permalink
Caste System in India is grossly misunderstood by Islmaic Morons and many others. Caste System is one aspect of Hinduism which was given a wrong definition in course of time. Originally, Caste System is one of the features of Ideal Vedic Model which allows people to reach the final goal of self - realization where an individual can design his own path to attain the supreme. Caste System was introduced to help people of different types to attain that goal gradually and in a systematic manner.
RE:Truth is always bitter..
by Secular India on Oct 29, 2007 09:06 AM Permalink
No sir - what you may say about Quran maybe correct and I do not comment about things I do not know. You may want to read the Muslim Personal Law and find out facts for yourself or maybe speak to someone who is extremely knowledgeable on the subject.
RE:Truth is always bitter..
by David on Oct 29, 2007 10:30 AM Permalink
Muslims are guilty of wiping out civilizations in egypt, Iran, Indonesia....They are not worthy of being called humans
RE:Truth is always bitter..
by Gladiator on Oct 29, 2007 12:05 PM Permalink
IF IS IT SO DAVID ?? THEN CHRISTIANITY HAS WIPED OUT THE GREAT GREEK, ROMAN & ALL THE EUROPEAN CIVILIZATIONS..
RE:RE:Truth is always bitter..
by Gladiator on Oct 28, 2007 05:59 PM Permalink
There are a Million loop holes in Hinduism but I don't want to hurt Hindu Friends... I expect the same attitude from you... Hope you guys understand.. If I open up the Secrets of Hinduism, then Rediff will become a XXX Rated Site... I want to act gently, No Politics Please.....
RE:RE:Truth is always bitter..
by Gladiator on Oct 28, 2007 05:57 PM Permalink
If you want the answers for your questions first answer these
1) Why there is a caste system in Hinduism, why Shudras are considered Inferior to a Animal (cow)
2) Havent you ever seen the SLUMS in your place, why you live Happily and LOw caste Hindus Live Unclean, Dont take a Bath, Drink Daily and hit their Wife and create Street Fights
3) Why all the SLUMS Stink and they are your Hindu Brothers, why you dont take a effort to clean your Community before Commenting on Us..
4) Why 98 % of the Prostititues in India are Hindus, does Kamasutra Promotes Prostitution
5) 95 % of Politicians & Govt Officers in this Country are Hindus, why are they corrupted...
6) Why they kill Muslim criminals in Encounrter and real criminals rule the Assembly ??
If you have answers for this, then you can ask me...I have all the answers for your Questions.. Go on Please
RE:RE:Truth is always bitter..
by Gladiator on Oct 28, 2007 06:03 PM Permalink
if ur knowledge about ur own religion is so poor, then let me help u
LORD KRISHNA
Lord krishna was very fond of looking at naked young girls. Once upon a time Krishna, in order to get a full view of some bathing virgin girls, went to the extent of hiding their clothes on the tree top just to get a panoramic view. Does he have divine immunity from looking at naked women?
The Gita, a Holy book of the Hindus, quotes that when these bathing low caste girls begged for the return of their clothes, Lord Krishna demanded that they come out of the water with their hands raised instead of covering their bodies.
Oh my innocent Hindu brethren! Can this action be attributed to god? Is this God capable of indulging in such ungodly acts? Will Hindu mothers tolerate their son imitating god Krishna??
RE:Truth is always bitter..
by Manu on Oct 28, 2007 06:47 PM Permalink
Please understand the basic difference in hinduism and islam. Hindiusm is not a religion, it is a way of life (culture) of millions of people living in the land east to hindukush and west to Assam province, below Himalaya and up to sea coast deep in south. Hinduism never says you must have to accept the Krishna, Ram or Shiva as you god. Even if anybody does not consider them his/her god, he/she does not not ceased to be a hindu. Hinduism allows a fair degree fo elasticity.Thats why hindus are seldom fanatic. The islam lacks this because of being a religion based on book.
RE:RE:Truth is always bitter..
by PREM KUMAR on Oct 28, 2007 09:12 PM Permalink
YES ISLAM IS A RELIGION BASED ON A BOOK "THE COMMANDS OF GOD". HE ONLY KNOWS WHAT IS GOOD FOR HUMANS. HINDUISM IS NOT A RELIGION SO ONE SHOULD NOT FOLLOW. THERE IS NOTHING GOOD IN THAT. ALL HINDI GODS ARE BAD CHARECTER.
RE:Truth is always bitter..
by Gladiator on Oct 28, 2007 07:12 PM Permalink
If Hinduism is Just a Way of Life,,, then Why you Guys are Yelling when SOMEBODY LEAVES HINDUISM ??
RE:Truth is always bitter..
by Sameer Bhagwat on Oct 28, 2007 08:41 PM Permalink
Lord Krishna in human form was very much a human in his daily actions. Only under exceptional circumstances did he show his divine form. In his childhood he is referred to as naughty, coz he used to steal butter and tease girls for which he was punished. Whats wrong in being naughty at a young age? Lord Krishna clearly distinguished between good and evil. He did not prescribe the sword for those who opposed his views. He was against rape and plunder and gave a superb justification in the Gita on why one must fight evil.
RE:supreme court
by on Oct 27, 2007 11:53 PM Permalink
For les ignorants, the chief justice of India is an OBC. When will you stop hiding behind the garb of caste? If you dont, you will lose the respect of those 'brahmins' who dont care about the castes.
RE:supreme court
by Secular India on Oct 28, 2007 11:50 PM Permalink
Wrong . Honorable Justice Balakrishna is a dalit - not OBC. Caste system exists in all communities in India and the worst case of caste system is in the muslim community where the Arabs/Turks have a special status in personal law.
RE:GO TO HEAVEN ( PAKISTAN)
by Danial Fakih on Oct 28, 2007 12:27 PM Permalink
Vineet MF , Muslim hv all right to fight for the justice & they will stay in India ..If u don't like , u go to hell moron...
RE:GO TO HEAVEN ( PAKISTAN)
by Sreedhara N S on Oct 28, 2007 03:45 PM Permalink
well said vineet, EVERYBODY(MUSLIMS) HAVE TO BE PATRIOTIC if they want the growth of themselves and the country instead of showing anger on india yet want to live in india
RE:GO TO HEAVEN ( PAKISTAN)
by hyderabadi on Oct 28, 2007 12:31 AM Permalink
Keep in mind that special laws are not just for muslims but for all the religions in India including Hinduism. Hindus marry, inherit property under hindu law.
RE:SC wants marriages registered, Muslim board objects ( By IBNlive.com
by vineet on Oct 26, 2007 10:54 PM Permalink
If any muslim who thinks ( no matter whether it is Bukhari or any personal board of muslims) that the honourable Supreme Court Of India is interfering in muslims law then THEY MUST KEEP IN MIND that they live under Indian Constitution and THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW WHATEVER HONOURABLE SUPREME COURT OF INDIA SAYS. If they are not satisfied with SC they have a better place to live Pakistan. India does not need any person who does not have faith in Indian Constitution.
