RE:Okay what is idol worshipper
by on Jun 06, 2007 06:44 AM Permalink
Well reading above article.. we can see that Minister is trying to make a fuss out of this... his future generation can enter the temple and tantri has already clarified in his interview... This Minister is one of the most corrupt dirty politician in Kerala..
RE:Okay what is idol worshipper
by on Jun 06, 2007 06:48 AM Permalink
No matter who he is... Minister doesn't stand a chance to question the vedic rituals that has been practiced in temples around the world.. If he believes that he is a hindu... he should not get anoyed by what tantri did but he should be more inclined to Guruvayoorappan. Tantri just did his duty.. thats all no offense..
RE:Okay what is idol worshipper
by on Jun 06, 2007 07:27 AM Permalink
Minister is talking mindless in the interview... he is threatening the Hindus by talking of court.. look at the joke by his wife... she should work on those skills...
Brahmins may shout the lungs out, but the fact remains that there intelligence levels are just average. Look at the annual World Programmers Contest, no indian has qualified in it so far although they are competing in these contests every year. the participants are mainly from IITs and you know most IITians are brahmins.
RE:Brahmins
by JGN on Jun 07, 2007 03:59 PM Permalink
Mr. Gupa, you are admitting that "no Indian has qualified so far" then why single out only Brahmins? Do they have two horns?
RE:Brahmins
by Raman on Jun 13, 2007 08:48 PM Permalink
Very well said,they are really overrated(by their own sect)i live in USA for last 10 years and all successful Indians are mostly Non Brahmins,Brahmins brag about IIT even here and get fired from jobs faster,they are just talk,no substance,Non Brahmins dont blow their horns like these idiots do. But the only problem with Non Brahmins is they believe too much into religion and as a result spare these Brahmins and give in to the nonsense.
What would happen if a hindu went to vatican to preach about bhagvad gita ?? (I am saying this becuase missionaries are in tirumla), also what happened to all the pagan (idol worshippers ) across europe and middle east ?? Well that is what is going to happen to India, that day is not far. Hinduism is dead.
RE:bhagvad gita
by Raman on Jun 13, 2007 08:46 PM Permalink
All religions should die,Bhagavat Geetha is utter nonsense,read Geethaiyin Maruppakam by Veeramani.. Only idiots will believe epis to be true 1 man having 10 heads Man lifting a mountain in a finger blah blah No proof that Jesus was God,he was dead afterall No proof that ALlah exists Religion is utter nonsense
if caste is not determined by birth and only by qualities, who used to decide who belongs to which caste? And if we want to continue it, who will decide this in future? And why should everyone accept this "authority"? And finally, if it is up to each individual, then my classification can be different anyone else's classification system, so nobody can asolutely belong to the same caste, by everybody's opinion. Isn't it?
On a personal note to, "Mark". Hi Mark, I came across a couple of your messages and liked them (here and the SC/ST reservation forum). Hope to see more of you around.
RE:Qualification based caste?
by Anand Iyer on Jun 06, 2007 10:48 AM Permalink
Good question Sharath Chandra. "Caste" is not based on qualities.Caste is bith-based. "Class" is determined by qualities. "Class" in Gita beacme "Caste' under Manu. Lomaharasha and his son Sootha Maharishi belonged to the so-called lower caste(in Manu terms) but they (by virtue of their knowledge) were acccepted as Chairpersons of assembly of rishis.(See Mahabharata). Thus, origibnally, it was "class"-Intellectual/Rulers/Traders/Labour. Then, Manu the fake made it "caste". Let us cast way caste.
RE:Qualification based caste?
by Sanjay K Pandita on Jun 06, 2007 10:17 AM Permalink
For any believer the religious order should be the highest order and adherence to it should be his fundamental duty. It is against the very basis of faith to question the authority and sanctity of religious order in a civil court. This is utter disreagrd for faith. The social order of Hindus is a simple division of labour, which is necessary for functionality purposes. As regards the question that who decides who does what. Any and all hindus can't claim ignorance of karm (deeds). The Hindu philosophy says that good deeds will be rewarded with a birth in some higher forms of birth. The relations between birth and deeds is unquestionable for any and all Hindus. So if a person is born Brahmin, it is solely becos of his deeds. And if her is born as a low caste, it is his deeds that are rewarded. The basis of Hinduism is birth form is a consequence of ones deeds. Changing one's religion can't change ones fate. See Dalit Xians.
RE:Qualification based caste?
by Sarath Chandra on Jun 06, 2007 08:11 PM Permalink
There are so many religious books in Hinduism. Which book gets precedence over which other? And how do we know whoever gives us this information is telling us the truth?
And you seem to be suggesting that by bad deeds in this birth, I will be born in a lower caste in the next birth. Isn't this caste based by birth? I don't remember what I have done in my previous birth and I have no reason to believe that I had been here earlier, is it just for me to be punished for that? It does look more like intelligent people trying to make willing slaves of non-intelligent people by propounding this karma theory from previous birth and all that? And what's wrong with Dalit christians' fate?
RE:Qualification based caste?
by Mark on Jun 06, 2007 04:41 AM Permalink
Thanks Sarath Unfortunately, I have to keep changing my name. I find it amusing to receive responses that are colored by the perceived religion thrust upon my name.
I find that whoever speaks logically on these boards is termed as either a Muslim and/or a Pakistani. At the same time the critics (rather fanatics) don't fail to point out that the key flaw in Muslims is inability to have a logical dialogue!
RE:Qualification based caste?
by Sarath Chandra on Jun 06, 2007 05:13 AM Permalink
Well, that is one of the reasons why I was reluctant to start blogging on these forums for a long time, even though I felt I had something to say most of the time. I was afraid that I would be abused or branded traitor etc.
However, I reasoned out that I am not giving enough credit to other human beings by thinking this way. So I decided I will give it a go. I am presently blogging on the premise that the most logical voice will reach the farthest.
Things have improved mostly since I was born according to me. So I think it is a ntural tendency of us to get better always. By everybody coming out honestly with their opinions and with goodwill, I think we speed up this process of the world getting better.
In my opinion, I think the best answer we can give to people who brand anybody who asks uncomfortable questions as muslin/pakistani is to answer it in goodwill that we are not and proceed to ask those questions as long as one feels they are reasonable. Sorry for the unsolicited opinion. Just wanted to let you know my thoughts.
RE:Qualification based caste?
by mariappan on Jun 06, 2007 10:40 AM Permalink
Dear Mark, The very fact that you are changing names is proof that either you are not courageous enough to stand up to other's views or your hyper sensitive to other's views. Either way i feel you are making a mistake. No one can determine who you are or what you are, it is only you and you alone know who and what you are, so why give so much prominence to what others say. It would be nice if you stick to one id, as that would give continuity for debate not only in this thread but also in others too.
He is an untouchable and is despised by the mainstream Hindu community. As such, he should give up the political charade and convert to Christianity along with his family. He will not face any problem in worshipping at any church.
RE:Ravi and his family should convert to Christianity
by HHH on Jun 06, 2007 05:38 AM Permalink
Jinnah, He is already an xian and doesn't need to convert. He is just doing it for some other ulterior motive. Xian converts are the most vile and demented creatures and ravi is no different
RE:Ravi and his family should convert to Christianity
by pravin gupta on Jun 06, 2007 05:09 AM Permalink
Brahmins may shout the lungs out, but the fact remains that there intelligence levels are just average. Look at the annual World Programmers Contest, no indian has qualified in it so far although they are competing in these contests every year. the participants are mainly from IITs and you know most IITians are brahmins.
RE:Ravi and his family should convert to Christianity
by VIJAYA BUDDHIRAJU on Jun 06, 2007 03:45 AM Permalink
You bear a familiar name-how about separate the country and stay back and commit acts of violence and terror
RE:Ravi and his family should convert to Christianity
by Mark on Jun 06, 2007 03:54 AM Permalink
What is in a name? These boards are fickle and allow anyone to use any name. I wanted to use the name "Mark" but forgot to change it in time.
I believe that Hindus should allow anyone and everyone from any faith caste community or social background to come and worship in a temple. Let everyone learn and know about hinduism
I for one think Christian or Dalit-makes no difference-every human being should be according the same treatment in a place of worship. Catholic Churches refused to allow John Kerry, because they did believe he is Catholic enough. The temples may have their rules-but Hinduism which claims to be most liberal should not offend any one. I read the priests statement. I think he did what ever in his mind was right from his temple rules. But offending any one is wrong and despicable-if such a rule exists, they have to get rid of it.
Govt controle the temple activities indirectly!Collects funds which are palmed off for 'non-hindu' religious acts!No others -- churches or mosques are controlled by Govt. The same technique followed by the British! HAVE WE EARNED CULTURAL FREEDOM? ARE THE GOVTS. TO BE BIASED ON 'HINDUS' ONLY? IS IT NOT A SHAMEFUL ACT?
RE:Temples' control by Devasthan Boards
by BostonPunekar on Jun 06, 2007 01:19 AM Permalink
Are you typing in some wrong article Pandeyjee ??
Kerala is a predominantly Leftist state with only 2 political groupings LDF and UDF. Its a heavily unionised state with very very little , rather absulute no government support to temples from the government.
The last government to be accused to be biased to Hindus would be the government of Kerala or Tamilnadu.
The case is simple a practising christian entering the Temple of Guruvayur to delibrately create a controversey and to attract attention, and settle his political scores.
