RE:What Logic you follow?
by VIJAYA BUDDHIRAJU on Jun 06, 2007 10:09 PM Permalink
This nonsense of some people cannot enter temples has to go. I think it is against law punishable by RI is't it?
RE:What Logic you follow?
by Mrigendra Shukla on Jun 07, 2007 12:10 PM Permalink
Temple is not Public property & nones Father or Government has donated & given single penny for building & maintaining the Temple.A temple's daily expense is unaffordale for even for the person who think that he is reach. All these expenses are born by the devoties of the temple which are brahmin & rich persons who donates for Lords house expenses.
So the Temple is not a picnic point or spot that any stupid cow meat eater & person making living by cow's flesh & leather enter in that and make it unpious, not knowing the greatness & glory of GOD & his beloved great cow..............
RE:What Logic you follow?
by Sarath Chandra on Jun 07, 2007 04:20 PM Permalink
So only brahmins and rich persons who donate are allowed into the temples? And is it true that temples the world over follow the policy propounded by Mrigendra or do they have to? Do all so called Brahmins, agree with him? Did they authorize him to talk on their behalf and can he by rights only give his personal opinion? And really doesn't anybody else other than Brahmins and really persons bear the expenses of a temple? That's news. I was under the impression, the middle and poorer class contributes more (read somewhere about it in case of thirupathi).
1."....not study,not learning is the cause of Brahmin status.Conduct is the basis,there is no doubt about it".-Yudhishtira's reply to Yaksha- Mahabharata III.312.106 2.If one's birth were to decide one's caste,then all should be Brahmins because all human beings have one father-Prajapati(God-the Creator) 3. He in whom good conduct is manifest, is a Brahmin and in whom this is absent is a Shudra.Mahabharata III.180.27
RE:Real tenets of Brahminism is this
by Sarath Chandra on Jun 07, 2007 12:22 AM Permalink
Anand, this works. Good conduct means Brahmin and bad conduct implies Shudra. However, not all agree on an individual, whether he is good or bad. Different people have different opinions. So deciding who is a brahmin or a who is a shudra is a personal thing and is not absolute. Is this line of thinking ok? or am I missing something?
So it is almost like when we say somebody is a brahmin we think that he is good. However, the word brahmin and shudra now have acquired a whole different meaning in practice, so maybe it is better to drop those words and just use the usual good, enlightened, learned kind of words to describe whom we think of as brahmin, as I don't think the word brahmin means the same anymore, as does shudra.
RE:Real tenets of Brahminism is this
by Mrigendra Shukla on Jun 07, 2007 02:33 PM Permalink
God Rama himself said in Ramayan that in Kaliyuga the cast system would dissappear. The Shudra will give preaching in the temple & Brahmins would clean toilets. Shudra with know knowledge of Vedic System of life would try to proof themselves right... & by this way humanity would decay...............lead to growth of irreligious thing like terrorism & lootingggggg........which has started.......
RE:Real tenets of Brahminism is this
by Sarath Chandra on Jun 07, 2007 03:59 PM Permalink
Just because Rama says the disappearance of caste system is equivalent to decay in humanity, I personally won't change my opinion that caste system is bad.
I think the plight of women and the vast majority of masses has been improving since the so called treta yuga. Things were better for more people in Mahabharatha which happened later than Ramayana. A man like Karna being accepted as a king in Rama's period would have been a pipe dream, the less said about women the better.
As for looting, I think there was more looting earlier during Rama's period and earlier king's period than now. With the vast majority paying for the comfort of the few. Things are now a lot better. Irreligious feeling also doesn't equate to being bad, as long as we are good to each other.
RE:Real tenets of Brahminism is this
by Anand Iyer on Jun 07, 2007 04:36 PM Permalink
"Caste" is not based on qualities.Caste is bith-based. "Class" is determined by qualities. "Class" in Gita beacme "Caste' under Manu. Lomaharasha and his son Sootha Maharishi belonged to the so-called lower caste(in Manu terms) but they (by virtue of their knowledge) were acccepted as Chairpersons of assembly of rishis.(See Mahabharata). Thus, origibnally, it was "class"-Intellectual/Rulers/Traders/Labour. Then, Manu the fake made it "caste". Let us cast way caste.
RE:Real tenets of Brahminism is this
by Raman on Jun 12, 2007 10:49 PM Permalink
No proof that Rama was god,there might have been a man named Rama,but he was no GOD....allmythologies are fantasies,including Bible and Quran..
Of course, brahminical arrogance to pretend and show they are born intellectuals is predominant despite the fact that the dravidian ancient owners of this country are still magnanimous to yield all their comforts to share with them from time immemorial of that of Harappa-Mohenjo daro of Sindh civilisation thousands of years ago, when dravidians were found to be extra ordinarily wise and intelligent as observed in their settlements! Perhaps, they were made to size by late Ramaswamy Periyar in Tamil Nadu. Perhaps, else where, such Ramaswamy Periyars are necessary to bring them under control to make them understand they are also ordinary citizens of the Nation and hence should at least now learn to live in conjunction will all the people of the world as all are created equally by the Creator!
RE:More Ramaswamy Periyar s are necessary!
by Anand Iyer on Jun 06, 2007 03:45 PM Permalink
Ramaswamy Periyars have passed way from this world. Hinduism continues to exist. It is not nutan(nuw)/puratan(old).It is sanatan(without beginning without end).
Stalin(MK's son) is a devout hindu who visits temples of Lord Kartikeya.
RE:More Ramaswamy Periyar s are necessary!
by Raman on Jun 16, 2007 12:17 AM Permalink
Ya ya without beginning without end,same way every religion exists and every person who follows their respective religions brag theirs is the best. Where is the proof of Puranas and EPICS? They are all lies,all Mythologies are bogus.. Exagerration. Just because Stalin goes to Murugan temple doesnt mean anything..where is Lord Muruga,the one who cant even geta fruit from his parents..
RE:More Ramaswamy Periyar s are necessary!
by Gautam nil on Jun 06, 2007 10:45 PM Permalink
Though a large majority of brahmins are not above average intellectually, they find it most uncomfortable to be normal humans along with other community members. They pose to depict as super intellectuals not only in a particular field but also in every field almost. They prefer to be advisors to people of other communities and religions for ever! The Sind civilisation itself proved that they, in absence of Brahmins, were highly wise and intelligent thousands of years ago as known to the world over! Of course, they are villainic with much cunning and manipulating capabilities before which innocent and really valued cannot stand before! Only with such tactics, they could conquer the dravidian civilisation and try to continue such a role of manipulation to accomplish any benefits! Of course the impact of Ramaswamy Periyar in the past had a great effect on this particular sect. The enormous ego they possess, though avoid to declare openly, except on few conducive occasions, do project on every occasion! The rejection here to accommodate other religions into Guruvayoor Temple, though many other Hindu temples in Kerala and even in the neighbouring state of Karnataka permit other religions too is another clear instance of their intense ego! Now they try to play politics by dragging Stalin into the picture to prove that they are also so very cunning to utilise opportunities in their favour who are not fitting to the good old highly cultured traditions of ancient India!
RE:RE:More Ramaswamy Periyar s are necessary!
by Raman on Jun 13, 2007 08:43 PM Permalink
It is really a shame that there was only one periyar and that too long time back,the blind beliefs and faiths are more nowadays compared to his times and the Brahmincal dominance is more because more and more people are into Religion just because they feel other religions like Christians and Islamis are fanatics so lets match them as well Its like the oldsaying will u eat crap cause ur neighbour does? Come on people start using ur heads(who ever believes in Mythologies)we dont have to respect Brahmins and protect them like the Epics teach us to. Poonools should be ripped off them andthey should be forced to marry intercaste,there should be some new book saying Lord Krishna asked them to marry Shoodras to get to Vaikunta,but they wont believe it like NonBrahmins who believe in all nonsense like Vaasthu Shastra etc..
RE:More Ramaswamy Periyar s are necessary!
by VIJAYA BUDDHIRAJU on Jun 06, 2007 10:14 PM Permalink
The claim that from the time Tamils were monkeys a billion years ago does not hold water. Maxmuller's zeal to convert India into a christian country by bringing this aryan dravidian nonsense should have limits. Those who did the priestly work were called Brahmins etc. Not some Brahmins and kshtriyas and others appeared suddenly. If a dravid says he is original, I can easily prove that they came from Africa or some other continent. It has no validity.
RE:RE:More Ramaswamy Periyar s are necessary!
by Gautam nil on Jun 06, 2007 10:59 PM Permalink
I cannot expect any magnanimous thought from my friend, perhaps, being a member of that sect of barbaric notions that literally confiscated positions from ancient dravidians to oppose historical research truths based upon staunch concrete evidences from all wise persons who were masters of sanskrit like the German Max Mueller! These so called influx of brahmins on the names of Aryans tried to massacre those belonging to other religions like Budhism and Jains etc., in most uncivilised criminal methods though Jains survived, Budhidm had to flee to outside India for survival!
RE:More Ramaswamy Periyar s are necessary!
by Mrigendra Shukla on Jun 07, 2007 01:58 PM Permalink
Mr.Gautam Jainism & budhisoms are Hindu reliogion's panth with slight deviation in beleif. Jains first God risbha dev is lord Haris's ( Vishnu inscarnation ) later turnrd in a Panth. king arihant promoted life style of Lord Rishbha . latter it become reliogion .
gautan Budha was Hindu king later started new panth ...... with ahimsa as main subject...............Nowdays muslims are old hindu started new path islam * christian too are path not reliogion
RE:More Ramaswamy Periyar s are necessary!
by Gautam nil on Jun 08, 2007 09:38 AM Permalink
Mr. Mrigendra, if we go deep into every religion the stuf i same only the sources are different. So I will plead for one Universal Religion with one Universal God which is the unified field of Forces that control entire Universe as per science! This wise concpet of religion totally agrees to concur with the scientific model too! If you don't agree to such a concept, without exposing your prejudice to favour Hinduism, accept Jainism and Budhism are two seperate distinctly different religions which can in no way amalgamated with Hinduism. As you get annoyed to claims of weaknesses of Hinduism, Jains and Budhists will also equally get embarassed! Please change your attitude to realities by give and take policy but accepting to the truth throwing away your inherent element of bias! A bias is always misleading like a blind! Accept the truth mangnanimously! That is admirable.
The sad part is that people have got fixated in traditions without ever trying to find out why certain customs took root in the first place. Many of the customs that we call as tradition were answers to problems faced by society in the past. A healthy society must create new rules while discarding those that are out of tune with the present environment. It must keep evolving always eager to embrace the good things and discard the useless. For this to happen, we need good leaders with vision who lead by example. That is the only way forward and we have no option. If we fail to adapt to changing needs and continue to adopt the ostrich policy, we are only quickening the pace of our own annihilation. No amount of pointing fingers will help us when the tsunami is set in motion.
RE:Brahminical arrogance (?) 2/2
by Rajesh t on Jun 08, 2007 06:18 AM Permalink
so let the people decide not the politicians or so called ruling class also why not bring some modernity in islam and christianity which are much less modern or open in their outlook ?
A peaceful society lives in an environment of 'Give and Take'. To join two pieces of wood, a part of each piece should be chiseled away so that it dovetails nicely. Likewise everyone needs to try to chisel away his/her faults and so that love can sprout in our minds. And to do this, everyone's behaviour should be thoughtful. Our house should be filled with LOVE inside and outside. Discipline in our house comes through love....and ... not through TERROR. Love between yourself and God should be like the love between a child and its mother but a lot more intense.
A person filled with love of God rejoices and whenever he/she touches others.....they get affected with that love too. God's love is like addiction...whoever realizes it...is very lucky. Once we are filled with it....all our words/actions become good. One cannot be filled with love of God when his mind is hateful towards his creation.
A person with mouth ulcers cannot enjoy the food even when he is hungry. So, to enjoy love of God.....we need to cure ourselves from the ulcers of hate and suspicion from our mind. It is very hard but not impossible.
The sad part is that people have got fixated in traditions without ever trying to find out why certain customs took root in the first place. Many of the customs that we call as tradition were answers to problems faced by society in the past. A healthy society must create new rules while discarding those that are out of tune with the present environmen
Union Minister Ravi's claims that the Eezhavas are/were untouchables and they follow the Patriarchal system are wrong. May be the SC/ST people were untouchables. But the Eezhavas were not. In fact there were instances in the Travancore histroy when the Eezhava households used to employ Nairs as their security guards and domestic helps. Moreover, the Eezhavas follow matriarchal system. May be Ravi can tell a north Indian journalist that the Eezhavas follow the Patriarchal system but in real life Eezhavas diligently follow the Matriarchal system.
RE:RE:Ravi is wrong
by Lokesh MN on Jun 06, 2007 01:02 PM Permalink
Being born born as untouchable you claim sc sts are untouchable and u were not i feel sorry for your stands.because of you like people caste system exists.find it execpt brahmins according to manu all are shudras.
Dear All, Please note that all born babies are Hindu, (because for making chirstain do something in church like wise muslims also) The Ezhava caste they are the real robbers in kerala, they got all agricultural land of brahmins and temples in to their own the land reform act done by the Achuthamenon (valthu communist) govt., after getting the land they are all changed in to congress party and kerala's brahmins and temples suffered a lot without having a food for one time, and many of them have shocked and attempt sucide because of one sudden morning they are like as beggers without anything, Have any solution has been done for that ? that is the main reason kerala ruined day by day, Don't think Brahmins are foolish, How dare the non belivers of god become the rulers in guruvayoor and devesom boards ? even in that also Mr. Devesom minister (am not mentioning his name he is not fit for the job) adopting reservation. ? Have any body know how to perform poojas and other things inside the temple better than thanthry ( in malayalam charakan arriyavunavanne kathi kodukavu ) the Hindu community will have to wakeup for fighting against evil effects taken place against hindus, Here in guruvayoor Thanthri had done his work sincerely without hurting anyone, otherwise they can stop at the time of entrance itself, Any big man he is a home minister or American president in front of god they are only a human being. Has any govt interferring in church or mosque (and in their
RE:Brahmins
by Sachin R on Jun 06, 2007 11:21 PM Permalink
so u are saying that keralites got rid of brahminism as early as possible .. is that why kerala is rated the most developed state(HDI-human developement index) in india?..:-)
RE:Brahmins
by siva raj on Jun 08, 2007 05:44 PM Permalink
R u gone through the msg I had stated the real facts of kerala what is happened? R u doing other biz? I can say nobody is superior to me is it V.RAvi is superior to you? and do you know the meaning of pooja ?
RE:Brahmins
by Sarath Chandra on Jun 07, 2007 04:05 PM Permalink
Being a prostitute doesn't mean a woman is inferior. She is not forcing, or cheating anybody. She is clearly doing business, very honest, provides happiness, and gutsy unlike most of us (if she is not forced into it, which a significant percentage of prostitutes are). I wouldn't accept she is more intelligent than me, till I discuss issues with her. If she thinks better than me I would certainly accept she is better than me. The fact that she is a prostitute should not be held against her. She is earning her living like everyone of us are.
Friends, Vayalar Ravi has to be appreciated for bringing up his children and grand children as hindus in spite of being married to a christian. As it is most hindus believe all gods are one, and what if he had started believing in christ and brought up his children has christians. Does it make a happier scenario. When we are fighting against conversion, does it not look mean to stigmatise a person for having kept to his native beliefs. Anyway what has the orthodoxy of the kerala priests achieved except that 45% of its population is non-hindu. why dont they accept it and start encouraging people who have gone out of hinduism to come back to its fold. This type of incident will only make the missionaries more stronger and the people wanting to come back to hinduism shed that idea and stick on to whatever religion they are following now. Finally let me make it clear, i have my own differences with the politics of Mr.Vayalar Ravi but that shouldnt make us blind and not support him when he is absolutely right.
RE:For Once Vayalar Ravi is right.
by fdhfdh fhddfh on Jun 06, 2007 10:56 AM Permalink
This s a well made story , look how he is controdicting his own statements the first one "When I was in Trivandrum I saw the Malayalama Manorama television channel showing the news about the purification conducted by the Guruvayur temple against the entry of my son"
now the second " The Devasthanam management said if I objected, then the priests would stop the pujas" now my question is was tht a live show n manorama TV?
RE:For Once Vayalar Ravi is right.
by Rajesh t on Jun 08, 2007 06:25 AM Permalink
what crap ? is ravi doin a big favor or what? first he needs the hindu votes, second the arguement is about his wifes entry not his ! in a way ur right but customs are not only imp in hinduism but moreso in the churches both orthodoxy and catholic or protestant. By the way ms mary or mercy is still christian and hasnt converted to hinduism has she? does she follow the rules or even know about them however absurd they may be?
RE:Minister is making mountain out of mouse!.. shame
by on Jun 06, 2007 07:09 AM Permalink
He is trying to take political advantage of the situation.. .personal issue is shouted out public...
RE:Minister is making mountain out of mouse!.. shame
by fdhfdh fhddfh on Jun 06, 2007 09:44 AM Permalink
mr. ravi , do u think u will get more votes through this cheap publicity stunt ? If yes go ahead ...... and all the best
