The temple authorities should allow people of any caste/religion as long as they express faith in Hinduism. Secondly purification of the temple is a very stupid thing as God will never become impure even if touched by a sinner. Templeauthorities should read Ramayana. Lord Shrirama eats berries eaten by Shabari. In God's world, all are equal and every one has equal access to the God.
RE:Temple entry
by Parthasarathy Iyengar on Jun 04, 2007 06:59 PM Permalink
Hi Anand Iyer, I agree that "these" guys are unfit to be called as Brahmins, but the caste Hindus ( non-brahmins but upper/OBC Hindus ) deny temple entry to dalits in Draupadi Amman Temple at Salem. What would you say?
Shaabara Rishi, the most respected auithority on Vedas was "ati shudra".Lomaharsha and his son Sootha Maharishi (who belonged to lower caste) were accepted as Chairperson of Assembly of Rishis. Can these so-called Brahmins who meted out this disgusting treatment to Ravi's family refute these facts?????
RE:Shaabara the most respected authority on vedas was Ati Shudra
by Seven Maniacs on Jun 04, 2007 07:10 PM Permalink
Mister Anand Iyer... you seem to be liking the idea of taking the debate in a tangent. The 'treatment' meted out as proclaimed by you was not for their being 'low-caste'. The minister has succeeded in creating a controversy out of nothing and people like you add fuel to fire
HE doesn't believe in god.. So why did he enter the temple if he is a non believer. Why the hell these Fc**n non beleivers cannot refrain from entering gods place .
RE:I didn't swear in the name of God but took an oath on affirmation.
by kba k on Jun 04, 2007 06:58 PM Permalink
hey stupid... his grandson's feeding cerimony took place in a temple? Do you understand something from this? I am repeating Cayalar ravi...in a better way! Flush your brahminical arrogance in the public toilet!
RE:RE:I didn't swear in the name of God but took an oath on affirmation.
by Rahman CN on Jun 04, 2007 07:07 PM Permalink
You ss..hole KBA fool with out proper name...... what the hell you mean by changing from a nonbeliever to believer,.. If he came to god for one reason he will go back for another one. He was never a believer and will never be one...
RE:I didn't swear in the name of God but took an oath on affirmation.
by Ethos K on Jun 04, 2007 06:52 PM Permalink
mr.sunil read the article properly...he says at one point he wasnt...now he is a believer...dont read btwn the lines dude..!!
RE:I didn't swear in the name of God but took an oath on affirmation.
by Rahman CN on Jun 04, 2007 07:08 PM Permalink
what the hell you mean by changing from a nonbeliever to believer,.. If he came to god for one reason he will go back for another one. He was never a believer and will never be one...
RE:I didn't swear in the name of God but took an oath on affirmation.
by Rahman CN on Jun 04, 2007 07:12 PM Permalink
Barbarian christians were always interested in blaming other religions it's visble from this post too... alll these craps come from them.... They srutinize hindu's in the name of idols and church is full of it.. they have all the saints who are nothing but human gods.. still they crib ....
RE:I didn't swear in the name of God but took an oath on affirmation.
by ajeev gopinathan on Jun 04, 2007 07:05 PM Permalink
Yes sunil is correct... and tommorow he will change the statement and say that he believes in the great nabi and we shud beleieve that?? Ravi is not any God...
RE:I didn't swear in the name of God but took an oath on affirmation.
by bahmophet on Jun 04, 2007 07:22 PM Permalink
why bcas hinduism only allows this type of nonsense. try this with the muslims? or christians and see the rioting take place all over india. hinduism can be kicked like a ball by all
RE:I didn't swear in the name of God but took an oath on affirmation.
by Sampath S on Jun 04, 2007 06:58 PM Permalink
He has to prove his credentials as a secularist while in active politics. He should have sorted out and proved his credentials as a pracatising hindu, especially with a precedence.
RE:RE:RE:I didn't swear in the name of God but took an oath on affirmation.
by kba k on Jun 04, 2007 07:00 PM Permalink
Sampah... he doesnt have to prove anything to visit the temple and pray any god. ANYBODY has all the rights for it.
RE:I didn't swear in the name of God but took an oath on affirmation.
by asariah kingsley on Jun 04, 2007 07:17 PM Permalink
read the follow ups u .....
RE:I didn't swear in the name of God but took an oath on affirmation.
by Rahman CN on Jun 04, 2007 07:20 PM Permalink
Yes sunil is correct... and tommorow he will change the statement and say that he believes in the great nabi and we shud beleieve that??
RE:RE:I didn't swear in the name of God but took an oath on affirmation.
by kba k on Jun 05, 2007 04:54 AM Permalink
Hey, SOB Raman, You dont have to believe that... Who the shit are you to believe that? He has every right for that. You are not to interfere in his freedom.
RE:Absolutely!
by crazyforsense on Jun 04, 2007 07:31 PM Permalink
Says who. In AP I know Christians can visit some temples if they choose to, to get tilak and blessings.
RE:Absolutely!
by Sankaranarayanan Doraiswamy on Jun 04, 2007 07:15 PM Permalink
When Kerala people go out they don't behave like keralites but behave like keralites when they enter Kerala. Any bandh or hartal as in Kerala anywhere in other states or out of India. Our people go to Arabian countries and is it with full freedom. So this alone is not the ugly face of Kerala
It is not "Braqhminical Arrogance" but "Brahminical Ignorance". These so-called Brahmins who meted out this disgusting treatment to Ravi's family should read these: "He in whom good conduct is manifest, is a Brahmin and in whom this is absent, treat such as Shudra". Mahabharata III.180.27 "It is tapas(austerity and penance) which makes one a Brahmin and not his birth"-Srimad Bhagavatham
"Not study, not learning is the cause of Brahmin status. Conduct is the basis..." Mahabharata III.312.106
RE:''It is Brahminical Arrogance''.
by Anantha Krishnan on Jun 04, 2007 07:23 PM Permalink
Very true. Ignorance is the right word. Karma is what decides whether a person is a Brahmin (an enlightened one) or not. Looking at it otherwise, Unni Krishnan is known to always go where his disciples call him. In hindi there is a saying "Man changa toh Katauti mein Ganga". Where the mind is pure and the call is from the heart, God is there. This has been proved over time. If the Guruvayur Devasvom and its priests behave "unbrahminly" they will reap the consequences. That is God's will.
RE:''It is Brahminical Arrogance''.
by srinath aprameya on Jun 04, 2007 07:16 PM Permalink
Well Said!!! In essence, some of the learned people in today's world too say, Brahmin is an individual (male or female) who has achieved "Brahma Gnanam"(Enlightened). Brahma Gnanam is achieved usually by Yoga or penance. This does not mean that a person should run away from social obligation. Brahmins are not born by birth but surely by their deeds. Easier said than done.... "One needs to remove all the religions in this world to make it peaceful". Any comments?
RE:''It is Brahminical Arrogance''.
by Seven Maniacs on Jun 04, 2007 07:12 PM Permalink
ye lo. Ek popat bola... dusre ne agree kiya. What re you doing guys?? Go back... understand what happened! Don't flaunt your understanding off scriptures... this isn't the right context
Who invented caste and casteism? Who deliberately kept vast majority illiterate? They have just begun to pay the price. So all this will go on for a very long time. The process of caste-based ethnic cleansing all over India due to quotas, caste-based elections, shrinking water table and shortage of women due to widespread female infanticide has begun. Soon we can expect Hindu-Muslim riots and caste-riots in London, Paris, New York, Sydney... wherever Indians follow caste. Some future VS Naipaul can write a book called "CASTE-BASED ETHNIC CLEANSING: A MILLION BOSNIAS NOW". The West will lap it up and make it a bestseller... And also BAN Indians from entering Western countries. GOODBYE H1B VISA!!! After all, who wants Hindu-Muslim riots and caste-riots in their country? I am sure that if any government stops CASTE-BASED reservations at this point, there will be all-India caste riots all over India!!! So no government can dare to stop caste-based reservations. So caste-based reservations will never go away as long as elections are fought on the basis of caste and as long as caste-based discrimination exists. Next volcano is the 200 Special Exploitation Zones (SEZ) for which organised Nandigram-type land grabs are going on all over India. India will be called a SWEEPERPOWER very soon.
RE:India will become ungovernable due to casteism
by Ananda Krishnan on Jun 04, 2007 06:43 PM Permalink
The existing custom and belief of majority of people can't be ruled out by violating it with rights and powers. if ravi is a minister he is liable to stick the custom and he can assume if he broke the system. why he is trying or breaking the belief even after knowing the consequences as minister? why he married a lady of other caste if he strictly believes in temples? doesnt he aware of all these consequences???
RE:India will become ungovernable due to casteism
by Anand Iyer on Jun 04, 2007 06:51 PM Permalink
Fool. Caste is not by birth. It is based on conduct and qualities ("guna karma vibagaso). Read Bhagvad Gita. Manu made "classes" based on qualities and deeds into "castes" in that rubbish book called Manu Smriti.
RE:India will become ungovernable due to casteism
by on Jun 04, 2007 07:04 PM Permalink
Mr. Anandkumar, Now come to ur point majority of people. If majority of people select a government and it implements reservation policy u people crying it is vote bank politics. but, now u r saying belief of majority of people can't be ruled out. Don't u feel it is funny? Which god says a non believer should not enter into a temple? which god allows VIP dharshan in temples? is ur god only for upper cast? remove this odiotic things in temples then there will be no conversion
