Kerala sucks. For all their literacy levels and the communist rule for decades nothing has changed. This shows that the society in Kerala is no different from any others. Wether the politican is making an issue out of this is irrelavant. The very thought of the priests cleaing the temple in the so called purification stinks. The temple is now impure after the ceremony. The country is getting more and more religious as days go by. The laid back approach to religion in the 70's and the early 80's is gone. Fanatism takes shape in all religious maths. The sabarimala priest controversy is swept under the carpet. There could be be no smoke without fire. When their own folks are indulging in such acts what right have these priests to prurify the temple? If an unknown person of a different faith entered the temple would any of the high priests notice? Govt shoud do something about it. Throw open the temple to all and sundry.
RE:Shame on God's own Country
by biz Narayan on Jun 04, 2007 08:01 PM Permalink
Don;t let the govt to interfere in hindu temples. The marxist controll of media allows atrtack on temples, next they will attack you.
RE:Shame on God's own Country
by JK on Jun 04, 2007 08:04 PM Permalink
I am not talking about your marxist govt. I am talking abt an ordinance passed in the house by the MP's.
RE:Shame on God's own Country
by deetee on Jun 04, 2007 08:16 PM Permalink
just these blanket simple solutions will not help. The priests should allow non-Hindu spouses and children of Hindus into the temple. Some level of flexibility is needed, otherwise it will hurt the very religion that the priests are trying to protect. Also Vayalar Ravi should stop shouting that it was done because he is an Ezhava, that is simply not true.
JK your accusation about the priests is open to debate. was the priest really guilty of keeping a mistress, or was he the target of some campaign? Can anybody really answer the question with proof?
Mr. Ravi's allegations that the priests are prejudiced or discriminating against him specifically is totally unfounded. Kerala temples are some of the strictest in the country. Even brahmins are not allowed if they don't conform to proper temple rules. My neighbour who is a brahmin was refused entry into the temple for not respcting the proper dress code. They don't care which hindu sect you belong to - if you don't follow the rules and codes set out by the temple, then you don't get to go in. Simple as that!
There are many churches in the west (especially catholic/orthodox) that also follow strict codes, and will not allow entry if you violate the codes. I was not allowed into the Greek Orthodox church in Athens for not meeting the dress code requirement.
There is nothing wrong with each temple/church/mosque having their own rules of admission. There are plenty of temples in India that don't have any such rule, and will allow anyone and everyone to enter. I always take my western guests for sightseeing to these temples without any problem. So why can't other hindus go to these temples. Why are they always keen on going to ones that have strict rules, and then spend their time and effort trying to gate-crash these worship places. This must be surely a political ploy.
As for the assertion that Mr. Ravi's wife is practicing hindu, well why did she just not convert to hinduism officially, instead of retaining her name as Maria. After all, Rajiv Gandhi was converted
RE:It is about respecting a temple code
by ranjith er on Jun 04, 2007 08:13 PM Permalink
Mr Vas, When the maharaja proposed to bring in the "Temple Entry proclomation" the Tantris opposed it vehemently. They said it is against the traditions. what do you have to say about that?
RE:It is about respecting a temple code
by JK on Jun 04, 2007 08:01 PM Permalink
You moron the temple was not purified after your neighbours visit. And we are Indians a secular country so dont compare our country with some eastern european despotic country. Aso Rajiv did not convert neither did his wife. It s personal choice with people and if they want to pray in a temple they have al the right to. This is the rule in this country.
RE:It is about respecting a temple code
by subramaniam swaminathan on Jun 04, 2007 08:26 PM Permalink
it has become a fad for all to say that India is a secular country when every political party is trying their level best appease various religions.Only Hindus do not have any right to say what they want.All others can say whatever they want against Hinduism.Very good.Let us accept it is voteism.
RE:RE:It is about respecting a temple code
by sylvia francis on Jun 04, 2007 08:17 PM Permalink
you second idiot sanjay choudhary you and yur idiot types have restricted God in temples you have turned Godly places into bazars God is omnipresent.religious discrimination prevalis in every cell of your it seems,shame on you ,have yu ever heard this lines somewhere'majhab nahi sikhata aapus mein bair rakhana'
RE:RE:RE:It is about respecting a temple code
by Vas on Jun 04, 2007 08:27 PM Permalink
Really? And you christians have taken GOD everywhere? How come you christians insist on converting everyone. Non-catholics are not allowed to marry catholics in churches UNLESS they officially convert to catholicsm. Many Baptists and Protestant pastors and churches will NOT allow a non-christian to marry a christian unless the non-christian converts. Weren't you christians the first one to claim that GOD is in only one place - church, and that he has only ONE chld who comes to world as a white male crucified in a cross. And NOW you talk of omnipresence of GOD? Isn't THAT concept very alien to the christian theology? Watch out, you don't get a ''christian fatwa' issued against you for breaking the very narrow definition of christian God. People in glass hosues shouldn't be throwing stones. Set your own house in order before you gleefully fling mud on others. Oh, but I forgot - thats what you christians are famous for!
RE:It is about respecting a temple code
by sylvia francis on Jun 04, 2007 08:43 PM Permalink
vasdont teach me christanity or hinduism either i ve studied them all as i believe in them all.but tell me which religion teaches us to discriminate each other,noone is the answer.there are many who have converted themselves to hinduism for getting married to hindus too so thats their personal choice and everyone has the right to choose.
RE:It is about respecting a temple code
by Vas on Jun 04, 2007 08:18 PM Permalink
You bigger moron, first of all, the purification for the politician Ravi had to be done because he WENT into the temple, and thus clearly broke the code, whereas my neighbour didn't even get to go. The point I was making, in case it missed your TINY brain is that the temple is strict for everyone - it is not about discrimination on caste lines, but along religious lines.
Second, what have your parents been feeding you as a child - horse meat? Athens is not in eastern Europe, moron, but in Greece, whch is certainly not some despotic country. Losers like you, lacking in knowledge, are clearly an embarrassment to India. Go read your bible and hallucinate, moron.
ALL places of worship hve their own rules. Stop trying to change hindu temples' rule, while not saying a word about christian churches rules and codes. You still haven't answered why the catholic church will NOT allow a hindu to marry a ctholic inside the church unless the hindu/muslim/buddhist/jain/sikh/parsi converts officially to catholism christianity. As an Indian citizen, shouldn't EVERY Indian have the right to marry anywhere he/she likes, irrespective of his religious affiliation? How dare the churches deny marying couples because one of them is NOT a christian!Why keep silent on that vey important issue, moron? Go try to change THAT very basic rule, MORON!
RE:It is about respecting a temple code
by ravindra gokhale on Jun 04, 2007 08:20 PM Permalink
Is anybody allowed to go into masjid.It is only shout against hindu temples. It is for you Mr JK and not for Vayalar Ravi. I feel very sad for him and feel that he will be Bhakt who is nearer to God as he is still follower of hinduism than these Brahmins who made such type of acts. I am telling you though I am brahmin
It is a price for living among nuts whose community reads rediff. I spend more time than you in fighting with the hate mongerers, and you get promotion for hit counts.
Let someday you get sacked because of reservation ! When you people become more offensive there will be pvt sector reservation.
RE:Thank You Sheela Bhat !
by biz Narayan on Jun 04, 2007 07:59 PM Permalink
She is a marxist. Some educated hindus in metros are different kind of people, they would like to become whiteman. They have a lot of power, and ladies like Bhatt carry a lot of confidence by being part of the society that gives them so much, and then getting power to suck more from that society.
RE:why not women priests in Christianity?
by Jeevan on Jun 04, 2007 07:56 PM Permalink
FYI the law is changed and now there are lady priest in christinity.
RE:why not women priests in Christianity?
by Anoop Golchha on Jun 04, 2007 08:18 PM Permalink
Well informed Jeevan, You must know that lady priest is not recognised by your Vatican. Do you hear any Woman Maulvi????? Why this Leftist media just try to encroach the Hindu faith? The reason is simple becuase of these Hindus like Vayalar Ravi and the Communists.
RE:RE:why not women priests in Christianity?
by Jeevan on Jun 04, 2007 08:24 PM Permalink
Anything in Hinduism is talked much in Indian media and it is majority Hindu country, controversy in Christianity like gay priest, lady priest etc make headlines is west where christens are more.
RE:RE:why not women priests in Christianity?
by prathibh on Jun 06, 2007 11:08 AM Permalink
There are many churches and denominations in which there are plenty of women priests. You go to the famous Episcopalian St. Paul in New York (opposite to the WTC site). It is headed by a Woman priest. The head priest of Methodists is a woman (both are mainstream churches). You should at least know that the Anglican Church is headed by a woman?
RE:RE:why not women priests in Christianity?
by Jeevan on Jun 04, 2007 08:12 PM Permalink
It takes some more time to see a female priest in your locality, but there are many in west. World used to be male dominant so the priests even in Hindus used to be male ... things has changed in the west and is changing in India. Rest of your post don't deserve an answer.
RE:Stop arguing and fighting
by Kris Iyer on Jun 04, 2007 07:59 PM Permalink
Who is a Brahmin ? the one who knows truth and thus becomes the very Truth. Its not acquired by birth or by govt certificate.
RE:Stop arguing and fighting
by Awaara Uncle on Jun 04, 2007 07:59 PM Permalink
What is wrong in being Chandala? Better to be Chandala if you want reservation.
RE:RE:RE:Stop arguing and fighting
by prathibh on Jun 06, 2007 11:11 AM Permalink
@Kris Iyer, Your logic and yardstick will disqualify many Brahmins like our Bhaskar Chatto and Biz Narayan in this forum from being Brahmins.
It lokks like suddenly at one brilliant stroke hey have been de-promoted by you!
RE:RE:Its always Xtians who are creating these, not Muslims
by praveen mathew on Jun 04, 2007 08:12 PM Permalink
Dear Mr Choudhry, It seems obvious from you statement that your ignorance knows no bounds. The Vatican has no control over Mr Vayalar Ravi.
RE:Its always Xtians who are creating these, not Muslims
by sylvia francis on Jun 04, 2007 08:24 PM Permalink
and yu are directed by how many cons,you seem to be someone who predicts who directs whom ha ha I pity your mean thinking.tera gyan tere pas rakh vaisey jyada hein bhi nahi
RE:Its always Xtians who are creating these, not Muslims
by ranjith er on Jun 04, 2007 08:17 PM Permalink
Mr Bhaskar Chattopadhyay , you are saying that MR Ravi is a christian?? I think you are a typical arrogant brahmin who thinks wearing the sacred thread saves him from all his wrongdoings. for centuries people like you have fooled people. time;s up buddy.
RE:Its always Xtians who are creating these, not Muslims
by Power India on Jun 04, 2007 09:02 PM Permalink
The Keralite people should handle it. Dont mind northie fools who are still in their medieval mind. If we keralite can force Brahmanical arrogance to succumb before lower caste power, we can open Guruvayur for all believers. Be strong and be proud as an Indian
RE:Its always Xtians who are creating these, not Muslims
by praveen mathew on Jun 04, 2007 08:14 PM Permalink
Who is trying to fool who.Hindu brahmins are trying to fool and subjugate dalits in this day and age and that too in Kerala. They will be completely unsuccessful, I assure you
it is a shame that this temple has carried a ritual to cleanse its so called impurity. In this world, instead of going forward its going back. HUMANITY IS THE GREATEST RELIGION. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS...WHY PEOPLE DONT UNDERSTAND THIS??
The first one is saying Nair and Namboodthiri, both aare matriarchal, which is not the case. Namboothiri, the Kerala Brahmin follows Patriarchism.
The second one is saying Guruvayoorappan is an avatar of Lord Krishna. He is not considered as avtar of Krishna, but Krishna himself, more specifically Krishna as an infant.
And the third is Ravi saying the whole issue is because he is of backward caste Ezhava. The issue was his wife being Christian and Hindu Temples in Kerala does'nt allow non hindus to enter temple premises.
So his son was not considered a Hindu because his mother was Christian.
Ravi has every right to feel aggrieved but being a responsibe citizen and a leader of status he should not distort facts ang give it a casteist colour. Especially in Kerala's background where casteism is not at all prevelant.
RE:Three Wrong Points in the Article
by Jackson on Jun 04, 2007 07:53 PM Permalink
Sri Lankan President and his Catholic Wife were allowed in. Ravi is right. This is caste arrogance only. If it goes to a Court Case they have to answer why foreigners were allowed in if Religion is the reason.
RE:Three Wrong Points in the Article
by Vas on Jun 04, 2007 08:02 PM Permalink
Stop pushing the caste agenda. Wherever there is a caste agenda, there is the christian mischief maker. How come the catholic church will not allow a catholic to marry a hindu unless the hindu officially converts. The famous situation is Rajiv Gadnhi being forced to convert (Roberto) before being able to marry Sonia Gandhi and be accepted by the church. Mny churches in the west will not allow persons inside their church if they do not adhere to proper codes set out by the church. Mr. Ravi's entry issue was nothing to do with his caste background but his religous affiliation. The fact that he would resort to the caste bashing implies that his intention was not spiritual but politicaly, and that too his leanings are christian, because it is only a christian that would try to force every other religion to forcefully 'open' their doors to allow just about anybody, including a hindu-hater, inside while they keep non-christians away from their churches. Get lost Jackson. Go count your rosary beads.
RE:RE:Three Wrong Points in the Article
by Rohit on Jun 04, 2007 07:56 PM Permalink
Then we can believe in Jesus, or Adonyss, or Mithras, or Osiris. The last three were all dying and resurrecting gods before Jesus. All have December 25th as birth date. All dies on Friday. What good choice !!!
RE:Three Wrong Points in the Article
by Jackson on Jun 04, 2007 07:56 PM Permalink
Rubbish .. no cleansing took place and VVIP treatment was given. I would rather be a Christian Fanatic than a Caste Based Fanatic.
I am happ to be a Hindu practicing the Tamil Bhakti Tradition without Caste Prejudices.
RE:Three Wrong Points in the Article
by Anoop R on Jun 04, 2007 07:53 PM Permalink
man you have made ur point clear. i find ur same words at around 10 places here. now shut up
